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    Lost at sea - why are we obsessed with the sunken sub?

    enJune 21, 2023

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    • Disappearance of tourist submersible near Titanic raises questionsThe search for a missing submersible taps into our fascination with the unknown, highlights the contrast between resources poured into it vs. overlooked tragedies, and reminds us of our responsibilities to aid those in distress.

      The disappearance of a tourist submersible near the site of the Titanic wreck has captured the world's attention, raising questions about human obsession with extreme adventures and the responsibility we have to each other in times of crisis. The search for the missing vessel, named "Titan," has become a race against time as it may only have a day and a half worth of air left. This story taps into our deepest fears and fascination with the unknown, as well as the power of the sea. It also highlights the stark contrast between the resources being poured into this search and the overlooked tragedies happening daily in our oceans. The incident serves as a reminder of the laws of the sea, which require vessels to aid those in distress, and sparks a larger conversation about the motivations behind taking risks and the importance of empathy and community.

    • Exploring the Deep Sea: Risks and ResponsibilitiesThe deep sea's allure brings risks and responsibilities, requiring careful planning, preparation, and adherence to safety protocols to prevent tragedies and ensure successful exploration.

      The exploration of the deep sea, whether driven by curiosity or wealth, comes with significant risks and responsibilities. The recent disappearance of a small submersible and the potential loss of lives highlights the need for proper regulations and safety measures. The fascination with the unknown depths of the ocean and the desire for discovery can lead to dangerous situations, especially when resources and regulations are lacking. The loss of life at sea, whether on a commercial vessel or a privately-funded submersible, evokes a universal sense of despair and a longing for a happy ending. However, the vastness and complexity of the deep sea make finding missing vessels a daunting task, often with slim chances of success. It's crucial to remember that the ocean's depths hide both wonders and dangers, and exploring them requires careful planning, preparation, and adherence to safety protocols.

    • Deep sea submersibles: Isolation and riskBeing trapped in a deep sea submersible is isolating and risky, with limited control and potential for freezing temperatures, confined space, and oxygen/CO2 regulation issues, requiring a rescue if at the seabed bottom.

      Being trapped in a deep sea submersible is an isolating and challenging experience. Despite having ways to reach the surface, such as sandbags, lead pipes, or air balloons, those inside have limited control and face the risk of death. Astronaut Daniel Livas, who spent nine days underwater in an aquatic habitat, compares the experience to space due to the confinement and inability to surface. Without power, the crew would face freezing temperatures, a small confined space, and difficulty regulating oxygen and CO2 levels. The situation would be extremely stressful and potentially dire, requiring a rescue mission if the vessel is at the bottom of the seabed.

    • Exploring the unknown: pushing boundaries and facing challengesExploring the unknown involves risks and challenges, but the potential rewards can be exciting and valuable. Preparation, determination, and a sense of adventure are essential.

      Exploring the unknown, whether it be the depths of the ocean or the heights of a mountain, requires a unique mindset and a willingness to face challenges and potential dangers. The SpaceX incident and the Titanic expedition serve as reminders of the complexities and uncertainties involved in such endeavors. Oxygen supply, temperature, food, and water are just a few of the many factors that need to be considered. For some, the thrill of pushing boundaries and discovering new things outweighs the fear and uncertainty. Others may prefer to stay on solid ground. Regardless, the world is full of wonders and opportunities for exploration, and both success and failure can lead to valuable lessons. Michael Matthews, who died on Mount Everest, was an adventurer and explorer who embodied this spirit. His brother Spencer, who has made a film about him and is involved in bringing home his body, understands this mindset even if he hasn't experienced it firsthand. Ultimately, the unknown can be exciting and rewarding, but it also comes with risks and challenges that must be faced with preparation, determination, and a sense of adventure.

    • Exploring the allure of extreme challenges at Mount EverestMount Everest's dangerous allure stems from fascination and a desire to push limits. Filmaking 'Finding Michael' helped the speaker process grief and understand adventurers' mindset. Enduring challenges can make one appreciate comforts and identify personal limits.

      The allure of extreme challenges and dangerous adventures, like climbing Mount Everest, stems from both a fascination with the world and a desire to push beyond normal limits. The speaker shares how filming "Finding Michael" at Everest's base camp allowed her to process grief and gain a deeper understanding of the mindset of those drawn to such experiences. She also reflects on how enduring physical challenges can make one appreciate the comforts of normal life and help identify personal limits. The speaker's personal experiences and observations suggest that the thrill of taking on risks, even in less physically demanding contexts, can be a powerful motivator. Ultimately, the decision to engage in such activities involves careful consideration of the risks and rewards.

    • Discussing safety concerns on Everest and the importance of recoverySubjective decisions about children's exposure to dangerous situations, and the power of investigative journalism to bring consequences.

      The safety of loved ones is a major concern when embarking on dangerous adventures, as discussed in the conversation about filming a show on Everest. The importance of recovery of a vessel or a person was also emphasized, especially in the context of the potential loss of a family member. However, the decision on what is appropriate for children in such situations is subjective and depends on individual perspectives. In a different context, the power of investigative journalism was highlighted, as seen in the Financial Times' investigation into allegations of sexual assault against hedge fund manager Crispin Odey, which finally brought consequences for him despite previous allegations not leading to any significant impact.

    • The Powerful 'Hedge Fund Weinstein' Faces Consequences After ExposureA powerful businessman's exploitation of his position, wealth, and connections went unchecked for 25 years until an investigation brought his alleged sexual misconduct to light, ultimately leading to consequences.

      The powerful and wealthy Maltese businessman, described as the "hedge fund Weinstein," was able to sexually assault or harass 13 women over 25 years due to his position, wealth, and connections. Despite numerous allegations against him, including those made to the police and journalists, he went unpunished due to fear. It wasn't until the investigation by Feet and Madison Marriage was published, which detailed his operations as a businessman, financier, and conservative party donor, that he faced consequences. The investigation, which featured the voices of 13 women, some of whom had never spoken publicly before, helped bring him down. Despite his denials through his lawyers, the reporting was robust, and the women's allegations were finally taken seriously. The investigation's impact was significant, as it exposed the lengths to which those in power can exploit their positions and the importance of holding them accountable.

    • Power shields the privileged from accountabilityPowerful individuals can use their influence to avoid scrutiny, while the powerless face exploitation and silence.

      Power and wealth can shield individuals from accountability, even in the face of serious allegations. The discussion highlights two extremes - the upper class protecting one of their own to avoid public scandal, and the powerless, like a receptionist or an aspiring businesswoman, being vulnerable to exploitation. In the latter case, the fear of offending or disappointing a powerful figure can lead individuals to endure traumatic experiences rather than risk damaging their prospects. The fallout from these revelations can be significant, as seen in the collapse of a hedge fund company following the publication of allegations against its high-profile founder.

    • The issue of complicity in enabling toxic work environmentsDespite the Me Too movement, deep-rooted issues persist, particularly in the financial services industry. Accountability and consequences for enablers are crucial for creating a safe and respectful workplace.

      The issue of complicity in enabling a toxic work environment, especially in the context of sexual harassment, is a significant problem that extends beyond first-tier crimes. The case of Crispin Odey and OD Asset Management serves as a stark reminder of this issue. Many individuals, including colleagues and managers, were aware of the inappropriate behavior but failed to take action. The Me Too movement began in 2017, and while there have been some promising changes, there are still deep-rooted issues that need to be addressed, particularly in the financial services industry. The bravery of women who come forward to speak out is essential, but it is not enough. A cultural shift is necessary to create a safe and respectful workplace for all. The lack of action by those who knew about the situation at OD Asset Management highlights the need for accountability and consequences for those who enable toxic work environments.

    • Culture of silence around sexual misconduct in industries with significant financial resourcesFear of legal repercussions prevents sources from coming forward in investigative reporting on sexual misconduct within big accounting firms, while economic challenges like inflation and potential mortgage rate increases leave individuals vulnerable in the political sphere, with the government showing no intention to intervene.

      Money and power can create a culture of silence around allegations of sexual abuse and assault, particularly in professions and industries where significant financial resources are available. This was highlighted in a discussion about investigative reporting on alleged misconduct within a big accounting firm and the challenges faced by sources in coming forward due to fear of legal repercussions. Meanwhile, in the political sphere, the focus shifted to the economic challenges faced by individuals as a result of rising inflation and potential mortgage rate increases. Despite these issues, the government has indicated no intention to intervene, leaving many to consider the potential consequences for their financial situations. Overall, the conversation underscored the complexities and challenges surrounding issues of power, money, and justice.

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