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    PMF is one pivot away with Ant Wilson from Supabase

    enMarch 30, 2023
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    About this Episode

    Ant is the founder of Supabase. Supabase is the open-source firebase alternative and has gone from zero to 47,000+ GitHub stars in a matter of years. 

    What we cover:
    - Ant's Egyptologist dream
    - How the Launchpad book showed Ant that building a company is possible
    - Product Market Fit is always just a pivot away
    - How to talk about Supabase?
    - Differences between pre-PMF and post-PMF
    - How Supabase stay on top of and prioritise huge volumes of product feedback
    - How Supabase positions itself to hobbyists/startups and bigger enterprise companies - DX and scalability.
    - Supabase's Twitter strategy
    - Trial & error in marketing
    - How does Supabase measure marketing?
    - Spaced repetition in marketing
    - Databases are very sticky
    - The future of Supabase
    - The difficulties of hiring non-technical people (supabase is hiring!)
    - Why Supabase over other tools?
    - Is Ant a Liverpool fan?

    Links & Resources:
    - Ant's Twitter
    - Supabase's Twitter
    - Supbase
    - Supabase jobs
    - The Launchpad book
    - Kuba's breakdown of Supabase's marketing strategy
    - swyx (I can't find the exact tweet)
    - Amjad - we think in years

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