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    • Political motivation in Stormy Daniels caseDespite conspiracy theories, the Stormy Daniels hush money case against Donald Trump is not controlled by the DOJ, and the involvement of prosecutor Matthew Colangelo does not indicate political motivation. Maintaining public trust in the judicial process is crucial.

      The Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's decision to bring criminal charges against Donald Trump in the Stormy Daniels hush money case is being questioned by some, fueled by conspiracy theories that the case is politically motivated and controlled by the U.S. Department of Justice. Attorney General Merrick Garland addressed these unfounded attacks in a Washington Post op-ed, emphasizing the importance of public trust in the judicial process. The false belief that the case is controlled by the DOJ is widespread among Republicans, and it's dangerous as it undermines the integrity of the legal system. The background of Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor involved in the case, has been used to fuel these conspiracy theories, but Colangelo's career history shows he's a dedicated public servant who's worked in various roles in the New York Attorney General's office, the Department of Justice, and the Manhattan District Attorney's office. The insidious undertones of these attacks reveal a hidden racism and a denigration of the idea that people can act out of principle.

    • Gag order, public servantsAG Garland emphasizes importance of public servants speaking out against violence and threats, while the gag order in the Trump case highlights the need for protection of the administration of justice for jurors and witnesses.

      Attorney General Merrick Garland's recent op-ed addressing threats and violence towards public servants relates to the ongoing gag order in the Trump case. The gag order, granted due to concerns about the integrity of the trial proceedings, is currently in place and a hearing on lifting it is scheduled for June 13th. Garland's op-ed emphasizes the importance of public servants speaking out against violence and threats, and the judiciary's role in upholding the rule of law. The relationship between the op-ed and the gag order highlights the ongoing need for protection of the administration of justice, particularly for jurors and witnesses. The sentencing process in this case, which involves Donald Trump proposing a sentence and the state responding two weeks later, is also underway and will be discussed in more detail in the upcoming episode.

    • Sentencing factors and discretionSentencing involves balancing the offense severity with the defendant's background and role, with federal system having explicit guidelines and NY State granting more discretion to judges

      Sentencing in the legal system involves considering both the nature and circumstances of the crime and the history and character of the defendant. In the US federal system, this is guided by explicit sentencing factors and mandatory sentencing guidelines, while in New York State, the judge has more discretion and can impose a definite sentence of imprisonment for up to four years per count, or even no sentence at all, depending on the specifics of the case. Factors considered include the defendant's background, their role in the offense, and the offense's severity. Sentences can also include probation, community service, fines, and intermittent imprisonment. Ultimately, sentencing is about balancing the harm caused by the offense with the individual circumstances of the offender.

    • Federal sentencing guidelinesThe federal sentencing guidelines aim to reduce disparities in sentencing by providing a framework for judges and parties to assess and argue for fair sentencing based on the nature of the offense, the offender's role, and their acceptance of responsibility.

      During the sentencing process for public officials, including former presidents, the court considers various factors such as the nature of the offense, the offender's role, and their acceptance of responsibility. The federal sentencing guidelines aim to reduce disparities in sentencing between similar cases. The comparison of sentences for similar offenders is an essential part of the process. The sentencing guidelines were established to address the issue of sentencing disparities across the country. In the past, there have been significant differences in sentencing based on the judge presiding over the case. The sentencing guidelines provide a framework for judges and parties to assess and argue for fair sentencing. The case of Michael Cohen, who was sentenced to three years for his role in federal crimes related to the president, serves as a comparison point for determining an appropriate sentence for the offender. Ultimately, judges take the sentencing process very seriously and disregard any attempts by the offender to undermine the system.

    • Trump's Legal Case at Mar-a-LagoDespite ongoing efforts to dismiss Trump's legal case at Mar-a-Lago, historical precedent supports the constitutionality of Special Counsel appointments, which have consistently been upheld during investigations into other politicians, including those involving the Bidens.

      The ongoing legal case against Donald Trump at Mar-a-Lago, while awaiting a trial date, still holds significant developments. A series of hearings are scheduled to address motions to dismiss the case, including one arguing that the appointment of Special Counsel Jack Smith was unconstitutional. However, this argument has been made and rejected numerous times in the past, most recently during Robert Mueller's investigation. The appointment process for special counsels has evolved over the decades and has consistently been upheld as constitutional. Despite this history, the argument is being selectively applied to Trump's case. Additionally, during Trump's tenure as president, there were no similar objections raised regarding the appointment of special counsels investigating Hunter Biden or President Biden. The courts have consistently ruled that these special counsel regulations provide adequate independence while remaining a part of the Department of Justice.

    • Judge Cannon's inconsistent decisionsJudge Cannon's inconsistent decisions in the Trump case, including allowing contradictory amicus briefs and making rulings not required by law, have raised concerns about the validity and precedent of her rulings.

      Judge Aileen Cannon in the Southern District of Florida, with the 11th Circuit as her appellate court, is currently presiding over a case involving former President Trump. The 11th Circuit has not ruled on similar matters before, leaving some uncertainty as to precedent. Judge Cannon has allowed various amicus briefs, some of which argue for and against Trump's position, and some of which even contradict each other. She has also made some rulings, such as striking a paragraph from the indictment as surplusage, and instructing the jury to determine unanimously which defendant used certain means to commit the alleged crimes, despite this not being required by law. These actions have raised concerns about the consistency and validity of her decisions. Additionally, she has yet to rule on certain motions, such as those related to the admission of evidence under Rule 404b.

    • Approach to indictmentsSome prefer bare bones indictments while others argue for speaking indictations that provide more context for the judge and defendant. Speaking indictments can help clarify charges but may also be used to keep information from the public.

      During a recent discussion about legal proceedings in the New York and Mar-a-Lago cases involving Donald Trump, it was highlighted that there is a difference in approach when it comes to indictments. While some prefer bare bones indictments, others argue for speaking indictments that provide more context. The latter is beneficial for both the judge and the defendant, as it helps clarify the charges. However, some argue that speaking indictments may be used to keep information from the public. In the coming week, there will be further discussions on legal matters, including a motion to suppress evidence in the Mar-a-Lago case and an appeal regarding the disqualification of a prosecutor in the New York case. The verdicts in the Hunter Biden case have also been announced, and next week's episode will explore the contrasts between the two cases and the roles of jurors in each. Overall, there is a lot happening in both cases, providing ample material for further analysis.

    Recent Episodes from Prosecuting Donald Trump

    ‘A Dessert Topping and a Floor Wax’

    ‘A Dessert Topping and a Floor Wax’

    There has been a slew of hearings before Judge Aileen Cannon in the Florida documents case over the past few days, and veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord examine why some of these seem like unnecessary delays. Then, why Manhattan D.A. Alvin Bragg is asking for the limited gag order to continue in New York as Donald Trump awaits sentencing. And lastly, Mary and Andrew game out some scenarios as we hurry up and wait for the Supreme Court to decide on presidential immunity.

    Also, an exciting announcement! On Saturday, September 7th, MSNBC will be hosting a live event in Brooklyn called “MSNBC Live: Democracy 2024”. It will be your chance to hear thought-provoking conversations about the most pressing issues of our time, and to do so in person with some of your favorite MSNBC hosts. You can also take part in a sit-down dinner for an insider’s view of the upcoming election. Visit https://www.msnbc.com/DEMOCRACY2024 to learn more.

    Trigger Avenue

    Trigger Avenue

    This week, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord dive deep into several pending motions, including Jack Smith’s pre-trial motion to modify Trump's conditions of release in the Florida documents case, which would effectively impose a gag order, just under a different legal principle. Plus: Trump’s push to end the post-trial gag order in New York. And what's at issue in the suppression motion also filed in Florida that Judge Cannon will hear next Tuesday. Last up: a preview of Fischer v. United States, a pending Supreme Court case that could have a trickle-down effect on Trump’s DC case.

    Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com

    Post-Trial and Pre-Trial

    Post-Trial and Pre-Trial

    Former President Trump awaits his sentencing in New York, but he wants the gag order lifted in the meantime. Is that typical? Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord break down that motion, and the mechanics of sentencing in the lead up to July 11th. They also highlight Attorney General Merrick Garland’s recent op-ed calling for an end to escalated assaults on our judicial system in the wake of Trump’s verdict in Manhattan. Last up, Andrew and Mary scrutinize Judge Cannon’s schedule revisions for several motions in Florida documents case, and analyze the significance of Georgia racketeering case being stayed pending appeal.

    Further reading: Here is Attorney General Merrick Garland’s OpEd in the Washington Post that Andrew and Mary spoke about: Opinion- Merrick Garland: Unfounded attacks on the Justice Department must end

    Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com

    BONUS: Season 2 of “Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra”

    BONUS: Season 2 of “Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra”

    As a bonus for listeners, we’re sharing a special preview of the second season of the award-winning original series, “Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra.” In the chart-topping second season, Rachel Maddow returns to uncover the shocking history of the ultra-right’s reach into American politics. Listen to the entire first episode now, and follow the show to get the whole series: https://link.chtbl.com/rmpust_fdlw. You can also subscribe to MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts for early access to every episode the Friday before it drops, and ad-free listening to all episodes of Ultra seasons one and two.

    The Disinformation Campaign

    The Disinformation Campaign

    It’s been less than a week since the jury reached a verdict in Donald Trump’s criminal trial and the political spin on the result is dizzying. MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord seek to debunk several claims entered into the public discourse, especially around the Department of Justice being involved in a state case and that the trial was somehow ‘rigged’. They also address some breaking news out of Wisconsin, where Kenneth Chesebro, Jim Troupis and Michael Roman were criminally charged in that state's  fake elector scheme. Then, Andrew and Mary review the latest in Florida after Special Counsel Jack Smith refiled his motion to bar Trump from making statements that endanger law enforcement.

    Note: Listeners can send questions to: ProsecutingTrumpQuestions@nbcuni.com

    BONUS: Witness to History

    BONUS: Witness to History

    In a new special, Andrew Weissmann, Rachel Maddow and our team give an intimate and personal look inside the Trump courtroom. They tell some never-before-heard stories about what it was like to witness, firsthand, some of the most explosive moments of the trial. In addition to Rachel and Andrew, you'll hear from Joy Reid, Lawrence O’Donnell, Chris Hayes, Katie Phang, Lisa Rubin, Yasmin Vossoughian, and Laura Jarrett. Together, they share what it was like to witness history from the Manhattan Criminal Courthouse.

    In Closing

    In Closing

    It’s a historic moment, as the country awaits the jury’s verdict in the first ever criminal trial of a former president. To assess the gravity of what each side needed to convey in summations, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord scrutinize the approach to closing arguments by both the defense and the prosecution. Then, they turn to the latest from the Florida documents case, where Judge Cannon and Special Counsel Jack Smith are at odds. The issue: Donald Trump’s ‘lies’ posted and amplified, concerning the search warrants executed on his Mar-a-Lago estate in 2022.

    "The E-mail Speaks for Itself"

    "The E-mail Speaks for Itself"

    Ahead of Tuesday’s closing arguments in the first ever criminal trial of a former president, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord detail Tuesday’s crushing cross examination of Robert Costello by Susan Hoffinger, and what it means for the defense’s attempt to undermine Michael Cohen’s credibility. Then, what listeners should infer from the charging conference- as this determines what the jury can deliberate on. And big picture: what each side needs to accomplish in their respective closing arguments.

    130,000 Reasons

    130,000 Reasons

    Donald Trump’s defense team rested on Tuesday without calling the former President to the stand. But some crucial points were made before the conclusion of Michael Cohen’s cross examination that veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord explain in depth. They also weigh in on some courtroom tactics that worked and others that didn’t go over well from both the prosecution and the defense. Plus, Andrew and Mary detail some of the gambits used by defense witness Robert Costello that were admonished by Judge Merchan.