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    ROLLUP: Solana Wallet Hack | Nomad Bridge Hack | Ethereum PoW Chain | DeFi Tokens | Coinbase ETH Staking

    enAugust 05, 2022

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    • Crypto Weekly: Major Security Incidents on Nomad and SolanaStay informed and prioritize security, especially with smart contracts and bridges, as the crypto space saw major incidents on Nomad and Solana this week. Forta's live smart contract monitoring service can help prevent malicious transactions.

      The crypto space experienced a challenging week with several significant incidents, most notably a $200 million smart contract exploit on Nomad and the random draining of over 10,000 Solana wallets. These incidents highlight the importance of being vigilant about security, particularly when it comes to bridges and smart contracts. The Nomad hack was the first of its kind, and the cause is still under investigation. The Solana wallet hack, which affected thousands of users, remains a mystery. Additionally, there has been a lot of buzz surrounding the potential creation of an Ethereum Proof of Work (PoW) chain. While some are excited about the possibility of free ETH PoW, it's important to note that this is still uncertain. Overall, the crypto space continues to evolve rapidly, and it's crucial to stay informed and take steps to protect yourself and your assets. Forta, a live smart contract monitoring service, can help detect and prevent malicious transactions, offering an additional layer of security for those in the crypto space.

    • Flat week for Bitcoin and Ethereum, DeFi tokens show signs of activityBitcoin and Ethereum prices remained flat, while DeFi tokens showed signs of activity in the token market. The global cryptocurrency market cap decreased, and gas markets improved slightly. The merge trade is driving the market, and the bullish Ethereum narrative is gaining attention.

      The cryptocurrency market, specifically Bitcoin and Ethereum, experienced a flat week with minimal price movements. Bitcoin was down 0.9%, and Ethereum was down 1.5%. The Ethereum to Bitcoin ratio also remained flat. However, the token market, particularly DeFi tokens, showed signs of activity. The global cryptocurrency market cap saw a decrease of $30 billion, bringing it down to $1.11 trillion. Gas markets showed improvement with the average total transaction gas distribution peaking at 9, although it's still not yet at the deflationary level of 7. The merge trade is currently driving the market, with Ethereum showing promising recovery despite a harder crash than Bitcoin. The bullish ETH narrative is gaining mainstream attention, and tokens, especially DeFi tokens, are showing signs of life.

    • Bullish sentiment towards Ethereum due to deflationary nature post-merge and ESG narrativeETH's deflationary nature after the merge reduces sell pressure, making it potentially more valuable and attractive to ESG investors

      The Ethereum (ETH) network is experiencing increased bullish sentiment both within and outside of the crypto industry. For those inside the industry, the deflationary nature of ETH post-merge, which eliminates the need for energy-intensive proof-of-work mining, is a significant reason for bullishness. For those outside the industry, the Ethereum Merge's expected shift to proof-of-stake and the reduction of energy consumption aligns with the ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) narrative, making ETH a more attractive investment option. Furthermore, the upcoming merge is expected to result in a substantial reduction in theoretical annual sell pressure. This reduction is significant because it means Ethereum will need to find new sellers to maintain its current price level or risk experiencing price increases. With a market cap smaller than Bitcoin but having a larger reduction in sell pressure, Ethereum's potential for price growth is substantial. Additionally, the Ethereum Merge's transition to proof-of-stake will eliminate energy-intensive mining, making Ethereum more environmentally friendly and appealing to investors focused on ESG principles. Overall, the deflationary nature of ETH post-merge and the expected reduction in sell pressure, along with the ESG narrative, are the primary reasons for the recent bullish sentiment towards Ethereum.

    • ESG Investing and Ethereum's Shift to PoS: Key Trends in Crypto and InvestingESG investing is growing, Ethereum's PoS transition aligns with this trend, ENS generates revenue, ENS token price rises, Ethereum competitors have different approaches, ESG and PoS shape crypto and investing landscape.

      The interest and popularity of Environmental, Social, and Governance (ESG) investing are on the rise, as indicated by the significant increase in Google searches for ESG over time. Ethereum's move towards proof-of-stake consensus mechanism aligns with this trend, as people are increasingly looking for greener and more sustainable investment options. The Ethereum Name Service (ENS), an Ethereum-based decentralized naming system, is also thriving, generating substantial revenue for the Decentralized Autonomous Organization (DAO). The ENS token, which was distributed as an airdrop, is still climbing in price despite recent market downturns. Ethereum's competitors, such as Solana, have different approaches to fees and economic sustainability, making direct comparisons challenging. Overall, ESG investing and Ethereum's shift towards proof-of-stake are key trends shaping the crypto and investing landscape.

    • Ethereum team acquires 'bankless.eth' domain nameThe Ethereum community purchased a valuable domain name, emphasizing the importance of being proactive in the crypto space, despite the risks and costs.

      The Ethereum community, specifically the Bankless team, was able to acquire the domain name "bankless.eth" for a significant cost after someone let it expire. This domain name was purchased during a bid process where the price decreased over a 30-day period. The team bought it early to avoid risk, even though it was at a higher price than it would have been later. This discussion also touched on the recent trend of hacks in the crypto space, specifically the $200 million exploit of the Nomad bridge. The hack was a result of a smart contract exploit, and the community is still working to understand the full extent of the damage. Another topic mentioned was the potential for a proof-of-work Ethereum fork, but the validity of this was not confirmed during the discussion. Overall, the conversation highlighted the importance of being aware of the risks in the crypto space and the potential rewards that can come from being proactive.

    • Nomad Bridge Vulnerability: $200 Million Drained in Few DaysA routine upgrade marked the 0 hash as a valid route, enabling attackers to spoof messages and drain $200M from the Nomad Bridge, emphasizing the need for secure contract implementation.

      A vulnerability in the Nomad Bridge's replica contract allowed attackers to spoof messages and drain the bridge of nearly $200 million in just a few days. The root cause was a routine upgrade that inadvertently marked the 0 hash as a valid route, effectively auto-approving every message. This meant that anyone could find a transaction starting with 0x00, replace the recipient address with their own, and rebroadcast it to claim the funds. This vulnerability did not require advanced knowledge of Solidity or Merkle trees; it was a simple case of finding and exploiting a transaction with the correct hash. The attack went unnoticed for 43 days until someone discovered the open vault and alerted the community. Not all those who took the money were malicious; some acted to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. However, the incident highlights the importance of proper contract implementation and security measures to prevent such exploits.

    • Being proactive and transparent in handling crypto issuesProactively leaving messages for authorities or affected parties, returning funds as soon as possible, and being open about situations can help mitigate the impact of crypto exploits or hacks. However, not all funds can be recovered and the gap between returned and unrecovered funds can be significant.

      The crypto world is a dynamic and complex environment where both good and bad actors operate. One important strategy for individuals and organizations in this space is to be proactive and transparent in handling potential issues, such as exploited funds or hacks. This can involve leaving messages for authorities or affected parties, returning funds as soon as possible, and being open about the situation. However, not all funds can be recovered, and the gap between returned and unrecovered funds can be significant. For instance, in the case of the Nomad bridge hack, 9 million dollars have been returned, but 180 million remain missing. The ecosystem is constantly evolving, and while some bridges and layer 2 solutions may be less susceptible to certain types of attacks, they are not immune to smart contract risks. Building on a secure layer 1, like Ethereum, can be a priority for those who value security above all else. Ultimately, the crypto world requires constant vigilance and a willingness to adapt to new challenges.

    • Security of blockchain bridges depends on team prioritiesBlockchain bridge security relies on team focus and effort, with simple bridges relying on multisigs and trust, and complex solutions introducing additional risks.

      The security of blockchain bridges and layer 2 solutions depends heavily on the culture and priorities of the teams behind them. Those who prioritize security will put more effort into securing their bridges and smart contracts, while those who don't prioritize security may opt for alternative layer 1 solutions. However, there are risks associated with bridges, especially in their early stages, and it's important to consider the complexity and trust required for different types of bridges. Externally validated bridges, which rely on multisigs for processing messages, can be simpler in terms of smart contract code but require trust in the multisig and off-chain code. More complex solutions like optimistic roll ups and zkroll ups introduce additional risks and require time for the code to ossify before larger funds can be moved. The recent Nomad bridge hack serves as a reminder that upgrades can introduce new risks, and it's important to carefully consider the trade-offs and risks before using a bridge or layer 2 solution. Overall, the security of bridges and layer 2 solutions is a critical piece of blockchain infrastructure and should be taken seriously.

    • Balancing trustlessness and security in blockchainOptimistic rollups offer security through a 7-day delay window, but come with centralization risks. Projects must prioritize trustlessness or security, and strong security culture is crucial in the blockchain space.

      The balance between trustlessness and security is crucial in the blockchain space, particularly when it comes to smart contracts and bridges between different blockchain networks. The 7-day delay window in optimistic rollups provides a level of security against critical bugs by allowing operators to pause transactions, making it harder for attackers to exploit smart contracts. However, this comes at the cost of centralization, as the operator holds the power to intervene. This trade-off is a common theme in the blockchain world, where projects must decide between prioritizing trustlessness or security. For example, MakerDAO's approach to limiting fast withdrawals and accepting the risk of losses up to a predefined limit is another example of this balance. The importance of a strong security culture, as demonstrated by Ethereum, cannot be overstated in the blockchain space, where the cost of mistakes can be massive. It's crucial for users to be aware of the risks involved and to prioritize projects that prioritize security over speed. The frontier of blockchain technology is moving from the mainnet to the layer 2 and side chain space, and it's important to remember that this is not for everyone, as there is a risk of losing funds.

    • Bridge risks in crypto: side chains and roll-upsDespite efforts to reduce technical and code risks, economic and oracle attacks remain significant for crypto bridges. Secure settlement assurances and trusted bridges, like roll-up cryptographic ones, are crucial. Recent example: $6M Solana wallet hack. Stay informed and vigilant.

      The risks associated with bridges in the crypto world, particularly side chains and roll-up strategies, remain significant due to economic and oracle attack risks. Despite the potential for reducing technical and code risks over time, these risks cannot be eliminated completely. The industry's focus on strong settlement assurances, or property rights, highlights the importance of securing bridges and utilizing the most secure and trusted ones, such as roll-up cryptographic bridges. A recent example of this risk was the mysterious $6,000,000 Solana wallet hack, where over 8,000 wallets had their funds drained through an exploit of private keys. The exact method of obtaining these keys remains unclear, but it serves as a reminder of the importance of securing assets and utilizing secure wallets or centralized exchanges. The crypto community continues to investigate and work towards solutions to mitigate these risks, but it is essential for users to remain vigilant and informed.

    • Slope's Logging of Seed Phrases Causes Massive ExploitBe cautious when importing seeds from third-party wallets and consider using more secure options to avoid potential exploits and data breaches.

      The recent issues with the Solana network were caused by a service provider, Slope, logging seed phrases in plain text, leading to a massive exploit affecting over 7,767 wallets across various blockchains, including Solana and Ethereum. The confusion was heightened when RPC nodes went offline, leading to speculation of a DDoS attack aimed at the hackers, but ultimately slowing down the investigation process. The lack of clarity surrounding the root cause of the issue and the initial misinformation only added to the panic and uncertainty. It's a reminder of the importance of securely handling sensitive information and the potential consequences of not doing so. As for advice, always be cautious when importing seeds from third-party wallets and consider using more secure, decentralized options like Coinbase's multi-party computation wallet.

    • Effective private key management in DeFiGenerate new keys every 6 months, eliminate smart contract approval risk, and be cautious of potential Internet exposure. Be aware of approval risk and manually revoke permissions. Historical private keys could potentially expose users to the Internet. Always practice OPSEC and stay informed in DeFi.

      Effective private key management is crucial in the world of DeFi, and there are various methods to mitigate risks. One approach discussed is generating new private keys every six months and transferring assets to the new address. This method helps eliminate smart contract approval risk and reduces potential Internet exposure. However, it's essential to be aware of approval risk and manually revoke permissions if necessary. Another speaker mentioned keeping a record of historical private keys for airdrop purposes, which could potentially expose them to the Internet. Best practices for OPSEC and private key management should be explored further, as the risks in the DeFi space are significant, and users must be cautious to protect their assets. Regarding the topic of ETH proof of work, there's no guarantee of free tokens or ETH from a fork. Instead, there's a possibility of a massive sell-off, leading to the value of all tokens dropping to near zero. Always be cautious and stay informed about the latest developments in the DeFi landscape.

    • The transition of Ethereum from PoW to PoS could cause significant consequences for DeFi applications and stablecoins.The shift from PoW to PoS could result in the loss of value for staked ETH and related tokens, causing holes in collateral and lending apps, and potentially leading to the implosion of the entire DeFi ecosystem on the PoW chain.

      The transition of Ethereum from Proof of Work (PoW) to Proof of Stake (PoS) would result in significant consequences for various DeFi applications and stablecoins. The value of staked ETH and other related tokens would be worthless on the PoW chain due to the absence of PoS. This would lead to massive holes in the collateral and lending apps, causing a cascading effect on the entire DeFi ecosystem. Tokens like DAI, MKR, USDC, USDT, and others would also lose their value as they are backed by staked ETH. The plan for some individuals is to collect as many ETH PoW tokens as possible and try to dump them on unsuspecting buyers after getting listed on centralized exchanges. The entire DeFi token ecosystem and application layer on the PoW chain would be in a state of implosion. In essence, DeFi on PoW is considered dead on arrival. However, some individuals might try to spin a new narrative and manipulate the community to gain control and potential profits. It's important to note that most Bitcoin forks have failed, but a few have had multi-month to multi-year shelf lives, usually led by a charismatic figure. But the DeFi app layer is expected to sort itself out eventually.

    • The future of Ethereum PoW and notable crypto movesThe future of Ethereum PoW is uncertain, but layer 2 solutions and informed decision-making are crucial in the dynamic crypto landscape. Notable moves include Michael Saylor's Bitcoin buy and Tiffany's CryptoPunk sale.

      The future of Ethereum PoW (ETHPOW) is uncertain, with the possibility of a figure emerging to lead the chain and give it longevity, or it fading out quickly. The discussion also touched upon the potential for individuals or organizations to make significant moves in the crypto space, such as Michael Saylor stepping down as CEO of MicroStrategy to buy more Bitcoin, or Tiffany's selling CryptoPunk jewelry. Additionally, the importance of layer 2 solutions like Arbitrum and Across was highlighted, with their ability to offer faster transactions and cheaper fees. Aave's decision to step back from its multi-chain strategy due to bridge compromises was also discussed, emphasizing the importance of considering risk and benefits in the crypto space. It's a dynamic and ever-changing landscape, and staying informed and adaptable is key.

    • Optimism's Bedrock design reduces deposit times and costs significantlyOptimism's Bedrock design aims to make transactions cheaper and reduce attack surface area, contributing to the ongoing innovation and evolution of the crypto industry

      The crypto space is seeing significant developments and debates, from the underperformance of certain projects like Phantom, to the compensation of project leaders in decentralized organizations like SushiSwap, to the advancements in roll-up architectures like Optimism's Bedrock and Arbitrum's Nitro. One of the most notable advancements is Optimism's Bedrock design, which aims to reduce deposit times and costs significantly, and bring the number of lines of code closer to Ethereum's Geth. This not only makes transactions cheaper but also reduces the attack surface area. Michael Saylor, the former CEO of MicroStrategy, is another notable figure, as he has stepped down to focus more on Bitcoin and MicroStrategy's Bitcoin initiatives. These developments underscore the ongoing innovation and evolution of the crypto industry.

    • Tiffany & Co. enters NFT market with high-priced, limited-edition Bitcoin necklacesTiffany & Co. enters NFT market with expensive, real-life necklaces sold as NFTs, while Robinhood faces fines and Senate proposes CFTC oversight. Magic Eden expands to Ethereum, causing controversy.

      Bitcoin's price is expected to rise, and Tiffany & Co. is entering the NFT market with a high-priced product targeting a specific niche market. Tiffany's is releasing 250 limited-edition CryptoPunk necklaces, priced at $51,000 each, as NFTiffany's. These necklaces are real, with real diamonds and rubies, and are being sold as NFTs on the Ethereum blockchain. Magic Eden, a Solana NFT platform, is expanding to Ethereum, leading to some controversy among the crypto community. Robinhood was fined $30 million by the New York State Department of Financial Services for inadequate resources to address money laundering and AML risks. A Senate bill proposes handing Bitcoin and Ether oversight to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC), making them commodities by law. Overall, the crypto space continues to evolve with new partnerships, expansions, and regulatory developments.

    • SEC's commitment to protecting investors in crypto spaceThe SEC's enforcement actions against crypto scams and Ponzi schemes demonstrate their commitment to investor protection, while the crypto industry continues to see significant fundraising and job opportunities despite the bear market.

      While regulatory clarity from the SEC regarding the classification of cryptocurrencies like Ether as commodities or securities is still needed, the SEC's actions against scams and Ponzi schemes in the crypto space are appreciated. Additionally, the crypto market continues to see significant fundraising and job opportunities despite the ongoing bear market. The SEC's enforcement actions against scams and Ponzi schemes demonstrate their commitment to protecting investors and providing a safe environment for legitimate crypto projects to thrive. The crypto industry is witnessing impressive fundraising rounds, with Variant Fund raising $450 million and Gary V raising $50 million for their NFT projects. This influx of capital is leading to an increase in job opportunities, with various companies looking for software engineers, marketing coordinators, UX UI designers, and more. Overall, while regulatory clarity is still needed, the crypto industry remains active and vibrant, with significant investment and job opportunities available.

    • Managing and Staking Crypto Assets with Ledger Live and Brave WalletConsider Ledger Live for managing and staking multiple coins with validator choices or Brave Wallet for added security in a multi-chain wallet directly in the browser. Long-term holds could include DeFi tokens with high fees like Uniswap, Aave, Matic, and OP.

      Both Ledger Live and the Brave Wallet offer unique solutions for securely managing and staking crypto assets. Ledger Live, through its partnership with Figment, allows users to stake multiple coins and choose validators, all within the Ledger Live app. Brave Wallet, on the other hand, is a secure multi-chain wallet built directly into the Brave Browser, eliminating the need for browser extensions and providing an extra level of security. When it comes to choosing which assets to dollar cost average into for the next 12 months besides Ethereum, David suggests considering DeFi tokens with high fees, such as Uniswap (UNI), Aave, and even layer 2 projects like Matic and OP. These tokens are generating significant revenue through fees and are likely to continue doing so, making them potentially good long-term holds.

    • Ethereum merge and Twitter communication skills are hot topicsThe Ethereum merge is expected to boost ether and Ethereum apps, while effective Twitter threads demonstrate strong communication abilities and can help build a following in the crypto industry. The political landscape in crypto is shifting from traditional divides to a decentralized network vs centralized state dynamic.

      The Ethereum ecosystem, including DeFi tokens like Uniswap and Synthetix, is currently heavily favored due to the upcoming Ethereum merge. This event is expected to boost the price of ether and Ethereum apps, leading to an Ethereum rotation. Additionally, writing effective Twitter threads is a valuable skill for those looking to enter the crypto industry, as it demonstrates strong communication abilities and can help individuals build a following and potentially secure a job. The political landscape in crypto is shifting from a traditional left versus right divide to a decentralized network versus centralized state dynamic, with Bitcoin representing the people and the dollar representing the state. This trend is highlighted in Balaji Srinivasan's political compass square, which illustrates the changing political landscape in the crypto space. Overall, the Ethereum merge and the importance of effective communication on Twitter are key takeaways from the discussion.

    • Debating the Future of Ethereum: Layer 2s vs EthereumThe crypto community is debating the future role of Layer 2 solutions versus Ethereum as a whole. While some see Layer 2s as potential replacements, others view them as enhancements. Amidst this, it's important to remain vigilant and critical, recognizing the nuances of the space and staying informed to adapt to the rapidly changing crypto landscape.

      The crypto community, particularly Ethereum-focused individuals, are engaging in debates around the value and potential of Layer 2 solutions versus Ethereum as a whole. Anthony Sassana suggests that Layer 2s could eventually become their own Layer 1, while Vitalik Buterin encourages calling out scammers in the industry. Regarding the latter, it seems clear-cut when dealing with undeniably fraudulent projects. However, the line between a scam and a flawed project can be blurry. Vitalik himself has acknowledged that his intuitions have served him well in the past but acknowledges the potential for being wrong. Ultimately, the community should remain vigilant and critical, but also recognize the nuances of the space. The crypto world moves quickly, and the goalposts can shift, so staying informed and adaptable is crucial.

    • The Importance of Decentralization in CryptocurrencyDespite initial indifference, people value decentralization for long-term profit and security. A sustainable bull market based on fees and fundamentals is preferable, and Ethereum's roadmap and token ecosystem offer exciting potential.

      While people may not initially care about decentralization in the world of cryptocurrency, they often come to appreciate its importance as they gain experience and learn about the risks of centralization. A sustainable and fees-driven bull market, which would be revenue-driven and fundamentals-based, is desirable as it would provide real profit and not be speculation-driven. Udi Wertheimer is currently excited about the potential of various tokens aligned with the Ethereum ecosystem, and the Ethereum roadmap is promising with upcoming economic and scalability upgrades, as well as MEV protection at the protocol level.

    • Ethereum's clear direction with EIPs like 4844Ethereum's future looks promising with the implementation of EIPs addressing monetary policy and MEV, despite geopolitical risks and uncertainties in the crypto space.

      Ethereum's roadmap and development have gained clarity and direction in recent times. This is evidenced by the definition and implementation of key components like Ethereum Improvement Proposals (EIPs) such as EIP 4844, which aim to address issues like monetary policy and the Miner Extractable Value (MEV) problem. The speaker expresses optimism about Ethereum's design philosophy and its potential to execute on the theoretical best way to build a blockchain. Additionally, the news of Nancy Pelosi's visit to Taiwan, despite the geopolitical tensions it sparked, served as a reminder of the risks and uncertainties inherent in the crypto space. Overall, the speaker remains bullish on Ethereum's future and the broader crypto frontier, acknowledging the risks but expressing excitement for the journey ahead.

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    https://www.thefire.org/donate  

    The Canceling of the American Mind
    https://www.amazon.com/Canceling-American-Mind-Undermines-Threatens-ebook/dp/B0BTZT9PLM/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=8-1  

    Free Speech: A History from Socrates to Social Media 
    https://www.amazon.com/Free-Speech-History-Socrates-Social/dp/1541600495/ref=sr_1_1?sr=8-1  

    Revolution in the Age of Social Media
    https://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Age-Social-Media-Insurrection-ebook/dp/B00GVZJWAM  

    Free Speech, The People's Darling Privilege
    https://www.amazon.com/Free-Speech-Peoples-Darling-Privilege/dp/0822325292  

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    enJune 24, 2024

    ROLLUP: ETH Beats SEC! | Trump Coin? | LayerZero Token | ETH ETF Trading Soon

    ROLLUP: ETH Beats SEC! | Trump Coin? | LayerZero Token | ETH ETF Trading Soon

    Bankless Friday Weekly Rollup 
    3rd Week of June 2024


    The SEC drops all charges against Ethereum 2.0—could it now be recognized as a commodity? Plus, hints surface about the launch date of the ETH ETF!


    Airdrop season is still alive and well! LayerZero and zkSync tokens launched recently. Find out if you’re eligible and the market’s reaction.


    And, did Baron Trump really launch a DJT memecoin on Solana? We unpack the latest buzz and drama. Tune in for all the details and so much more!


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    0:00 Intro


    2:55 MARKET
    https://x.com/WhalePanda/status/1802958996392870368 
    https://www.theblock.co/data/crypto-markets/bitcoin-etf/spot-bitcoin-etf-flows 
    https://x.com/CryptoDonAlt/status/1802743515941609572 
    https://www.tradingview.com/chart/?symbol=AMEX%3ASPY 
    https://x.com/saylor/status/1803763490928119950 


    9:35 ETH Price & ETH ETF Going Live 
    https://x.com/EricBalchunas/status/1801725292404261308 


    13:03 Total Crypto Market Cap


    13:46 L2Beat
    https://dune.com/hildobby/blobs 
    https://dune.com/sealaunch/dex-metrics-on-base?Select+Date+Granularity_ed0f38=week&Select+Timeframe_ed47bb=365 
    https://imgur.com/YuXZfAv 
    https://x.com/WazzCrypto/status/1803858912166449480 
    https://twitter.com/wbnns/status/1803217959479025857 
     
    18:40 Combo ETH + BTC ETF
    https://x.com/NateGeraci/status/1803080047303036971 
    https://x.com/Matt_Hougan/status/1803767324605886515 
    https://x.com/matthew_sigel/status/1801342560977190937 
    https://youtu.be/T2Ur8Dhc3uQ?si=Obqn5eY89sEUEdwi 
    https://youtu.be/KUMGYEKIiGw?si=fS4pae1N_rr1f0C0  


    21:35 AIRDROP Season in full swing
    Bankless Claimables and AIrdrop Hunter
    https://www.bankless.com/claimables/reveal 
    https://x.com/LayerZero_Fndn/status/1803744985029788042 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/layerzero 
    https://x.com/LayerZero_Fndn/status/1803742303204323494 
    https://layerzero.foundation/claim 
    https://www.theblock.co/post/300389/zksync-live-mcap-airdrop 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/zksync 
    https://x.com/TheZKNation/status/1802626483770265991 
    https://x.com/TheZKNation/status/1801378349442269345 
    https://docs.zknation.io/zk-token/zk-token-faq 
    https://x.com/nansen_ai/status/1803003153820082270  
    https://x.com/cobie/status/1803071393484939602 


    31:58 MOTHER + DADDY Update 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/mother-iggy 
    https://x.com/IGGYAZALEA 
    https://x.com/jimcramer/status/1800893795346637193 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/daddy-tate 


    37:21 What’s going on with $DJT? 
    https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/trumpcoin-2 
    https://x.com/PirateWires/status/1802825492405669930 
    https://www.newsweek.com/crypto-djt-barron-trump-martin-shkreli-1915147 
    https://x.com/ArkhamIntel/status/1803161788164288875 
    https://x.com/ArkhamIntel/status/1803471430727901455 
    https://x.com/zachxbt/status/1803240784436797871 
    https://x.com/zachxbt/status/1803371615524364503 
    https://x.com/jmgramke/status/1803792368388264399 
    https://x.com/WatcherGuru/status/1803759609808564306 
    https://x.com/MartinShkreli/status/1803821631279612367 


    50:38 U.S. SEC closes investigation in Ethereum!
    https://x.com/Consensys/status/1803230653120659641 
    https://x.com/laurabrooksie1/status/1803237492130234633 
    https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1803412140289560849 
    https://x.com/RyanSAdams/status/1803783619997052977 


    54:30 BitWise launches a new Ethereum ad for their incoming ETH ETF 
    https://x.com/BitwiseInvest/status/1803789737620078875 
    https://zora.co/collect/base:0x9ada0269656e7855c95f54a34d4ef94f78892038/1 


    1:00:12 Kraken exploit for 3m and some drama - vs Certik 
    https://x.com/c7five/status/1803403565865771370 
    https://x.com/P3b7_/status/1803479749005549647 
    https://x.com/tayvano_/status/1803478049280893040 
    https://x.com/sethforprivacy/status/1803520795735683528 


    1:06:34 Donald Trump wants all remaining Bitcoin to be 'Made in USA'
    https://x.com/intangiblecoins/status/1801771689249787936 


    1:08:06 Optimism & Tether Releases
    https://x.com/Optimism/status/1800974991313469445 
    https://chain.box 
    https://x.com/Alloy_tether/status/1802676443781923289 


    1:10:45 Bankless ETHCC Meetup
    https://lu.ma/k0amrrnz 


    1:12:10 Who won the ETH ETF Pitch competition? 
    https://www.jokerace.io/contest/base/0x0f2211f6727e85dbfae20e7dbfe57875a1f2b706 


    1:13:45 Another voting for Bankless Nation! 
    https://www.jokerace.io/contest/base/0x0bac0ec9b6aeafa6c2212f67a67950940eda63a7 


    1:15:38 MEME of the Week 
    https://x.com/PleasrDAO/status/1803572250278514999 


    1:16:17 Closing & Disclaimers


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    enJune 21, 2024

    Diaries of an ETH Maxi on Wall Street | Sam Jernigan

    Diaries of an ETH Maxi on Wall Street | Sam Jernigan

    Sam Jernigan, the “Unofficial ETH Maxi of Wall Street”, has been evangelizing Ethereum to institutional funds and billionaires from inside the house for the past five years.

    Having the perfect blend of deep Ethereum knowledge and the full Wall Street experience, Sam guides us through how he became an ETH Maxi, why the lack of understanding of ETH in TradFi is the most bullish case for the asset and what the future holds for ETH institutional adoption.

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    0:00 Intro
    7:47 Defining TradFi
    20:05 Ethereum’s P/E Ratio
    23:49 Sam’s Background
    40:44 Becoming an ETH Maxi
    52:57 The State of ETH in TradFi
    57:38 ETH Bull Case
    1:06:11 The Flippening
    1:12:11 ETH ETF
    1:19:26 Security vs Commodity Debate
    1:24:00 TradFi: Friend or Foe?
    1:34:39 Regulation
    1:46:07 Closing & Disclaimers

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    Sam Jernigan on X
    https://x.com/sjerniganiv  

    Sam Jernigan on LikedIn
    https://www.linkedin.com/in/samjernigan07302015/  

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    Bankless
    enJune 19, 2024

    ETH to $22k by 2030? | VanEck's Matthew Sigel

    ETH to $22k by 2030? | VanEck's Matthew Sigel

    In this episode, David Hoffman is joined by Matthew Sigel, Head of Digital Assets Research at VanEck, to unpack VanEck's groundbreaking ETH 2030 report. They discuss the $154,000 bull case, $22,000 base case, and $340 bear case for Ethereum, and the factors behind these predictions. 

    Matthew dives deep into the role of ETH ETFs and shares insights into ETH's evolving narrative in institutional portfolios. He also provides interesting analogies and comparisons between ETH and Web 2.0, explaining how VanEck will help traditional investors understand and invest in ETH using these narratives and real market data. 

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    0:00 Intro
    7:16 VanEck Vibe Check ?
    8:11 VanEck ETH 2030 Price Prediction Report 
    12:31 Last Year’s Report vs. Present Report 
    15:10 Ethereum Narrative For Retail
    19:14 Pitching ETH To Customers
    25:15 Parameters For Bear, Base & Bull?
    28:49 What If ETH Reaches $154,000 
    32:31 ETH’s Most Bearish & Bullish Scenarios 
    33:40 Solana’s MEV vs. ETH’s MEV
    41:28  BTC & ETH Allocation In Portfolio 
    45:59 Can Data Help Matthew Convince Customers?
    49:30 $15B In ETF Assets
    50:30 Closing & Disclosures 

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    Matthew Sigel
    https://x.com/matthew_sigel 

    VanEck
    https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/ 
    https://www.vaneck.com/us/en/blogs/digital-assets/matthew-sigel-eth-2030-price-target/ 

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    Bankless
    enJune 18, 2024

    CZ, Bull Market Predictions & The Future of Binance | New CEO Richard Teng

    CZ, Bull Market Predictions & The Future of Binance | New CEO Richard Teng

    Now that CZ is gone, who’s going to fill his shoes?

    His name is Richard Teng, the new Binance CEO. He’s joining the podcast today to not only share the story of how he got here, but also to define his vision for the future of Binance.

    We ask him:
    Who is Richard Teng?
    What was it like to work with CZ?
    Why Crypto?
    What is going on in Nigeria?
    Bull Market Predictions?

    If you want to know who’s taking charge in the next era of Binance, this episode is for you. 

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    0:00 Intro
    7:16 Who’s Richard Teng
    15:54 The Last 2 Years
    24:30 Filling CZ Shoes
    34:58 The Future of Binance
    48:33 What is Going on in Nigeria?
    54:31 Why Crypto?
    1:03:33 BNB Chain
    1:05:48 Richard Teng’s Routine
    1:08:25 Bull Market Predictions
    1:14:21 Advice for Investors
    1:16:17 User Fund Security
    1:19:31 Closing & Disclaimers

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    Richard Teng
    https://x.com/_RichardTeng  

    Tigran Gambaryan Article
    https://www.binance.com/en/blog/leadership/from-richard-teng-binance-ceo-tigran-gambaryan-is-innocent-and-must-be-released-3634612934164622056  

    Binance Proof of Reserves
    https://www.binance.com/en/proof-of-reserves  

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    enJune 17, 2024

    ROLLUP: ZkSync Airdrop | Optimism Fault Proofs | Pectra Ethereum Upgrade

    ROLLUP: ZkSync Airdrop | Optimism Fault Proofs | Pectra Ethereum Upgrade

    Bankless Friday Weekly Rollup 
    2nd Week of June 2024

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    0:00 Intro

    3:31 Markets

    8:20 Gary G Says ETH ETF Approval “Sometime in Summer”
    https://x.com/tier10k/status/1801261940615848004 

    9:19 L2 Update

    11:04  The Fed expects to cut rates just once this year
    https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/12/fed-meeting-today-on-interest-rate.html 

    15:41 Will BTC ETF follow the gold ETF success path?  
    https://x.com/hongkim__/status/1799442365892985257 

    20:48 ZKSync introduced ZK token 
    https://x.com/TheZKNation/status/1800424206129357194 
    https://app.aevo.xyz/perpetual/zk 
    https://x.com/eekeyguy_eth/status/1800461976969035910 
    https://blog.zknation.io/zk-token/ 
    https://zknation.ghost.io/content/images/2024/06/points.png 
    https://x.com/LibraryDefi/status/1800589632909832509 
    https://x.com/Gautamguptagg/status/1800539906923733397 
    https://x.com/Gautamguptagg/status/1800539906923733397 
    https://x.com/TheZKNation/status/1801020410563060031 
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1801024526001815616 
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1800758353511207103 

    36:46 Speaking of Airdrops: Taiko launched their TAIKO token 
    https://x.com/taikoxyz/status/1798336750668136851 
    Find out whether you are eligible via Claimables! 
    https://bankless.cc/3Jte55n  

    38:33 Optimism’s fault proofs are live! 
    https://x.com/l2beat/status/1800530188171674070 
    https://x.com/VitalikButerin/status/1800547329931620625 

    49:23 Pectra is about to became the biggest upgrade of Ethereum history: 
    https://x.com/sassal0x/status/1798869850200412383 

    55:34 Symbiotic introduced their restaking platform 
    https://x.com/symbioticfi/status/1800530004776022493 

    59:29 Eigen Labs acquired Rio Network 
    https://x.com/eigen_labs/status/1800888626642899321 

    1:01:41 Crypto:The Game was acquired by Uniswap! 
    https://x.com/cryptothegame_/status/1800199946739822594 

    1:06:28 PleasrDAO releases the WuTang Album
    https://pitchfork.com/news/wu-tang-clan-once-upon-a-time-in-shaolin-turned-into-nft/ 
    https://www.thealbum.com/ 

    1:09:12 Terraform Labs agreed to pay SEC $4.5B! 
    https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/06/12/terraform-labs-do-kwon-agree-to-pay-sec-a-combined-45b-in-civil-fraud-case/ 
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1800955721955283053     

    1:11:44 Alchemy introduced platform for building rollups 
    https://x.com/alchemyplatform/status/1798747911226040679 

    1:13:03 New Paradigm Fund
    https://x.com/matthuang/status/1801283717664526835 

    1:14:41 The Daily Gwei 
    https://www.youtube.com/@TheDailyGwei/videos  
    https://x.com/thedailygwei  
    https://x.com/sassal0x 
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-ether/id1443920565  

    1:15:49 Closing & Disclaimers

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    enJune 14, 2024

    BitVM: The Holy Grail for Bitcoin? | Creator Robin Linus

    BitVM: The Holy Grail for Bitcoin? | Creator Robin Linus

    Today on the show, we’re exploring the frontier of ZK Rollups on Bitcoin! 

    The Bitcoin L2 landscape is standing on the shoulders of this technical implementation called BitVM. We brought Robin Linus, one of the author’s of the BitVM White Paper, to not only dive into how BitVM got started, but more importantly, what it means for the future of Bitcoin.

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    0:00 Intro
    5:03 Who is Robin Linus?
    10:20 Why Bitcoin?
    16:19 Bitcoin Needs to Scale
    22:15 BitVM Eureka Moment
    24:31 The State of BitVM
    27:19 BitVM vs Ethereum Rollups
    33:45 How Does BitVM Work?
    46:07 BitVM Critiques
    55:07 The Bitcoin L2 Space
    59:33 The BitVM Endgame
    1:03:07 The Future of Bitcoin
    1:07:09 Closing & Disclaimers

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    Robin Linus
    https://x.com/robin_linus  

    Robin Linus Website
    https://robinlinus.com/  

    BitVM
    https://bitvm.org/  

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    enJune 13, 2024

    The Trillion Dollar ETH Pitch | RSA+DH

    The Trillion Dollar ETH Pitch | RSA+DH

    The Ethereum ETF is coming. What’s the best narrative for ETH to sell to TradFi/Wall Street? Ryan and David discuss the 7 leading ETH Narratives and then have a pitch-off amongst themselves. Each of them prepared a 1-2 minute pitch and then they each spend some time unpacking each other’s pitch and analyzing each point. Bankless Citizens get to vote - whose was better? Ryan or David’s? The winner gets a bragging rights POAP. 

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    0:00 Intro

    2:26 Eric Balchunas
    https://x.com/EricBalchunas/status/1794023427327533456 

    4:44 ETH Narratives
    https://x.com/TrustlessState/status/1795595286972383494  

    5:58 Ethereum is a Tokenization Platform
    https://twitter.com/ChainLinkGod/status/1798133271139901668 
    https://twitter.com/ChainLinkGod/status/1798133271139901668/photo/1 

    9:26 Ethereum is an app store
    https://twitter.com/jdorman81/status/1792927796353814640 

    13:56 Operating system and app store
    https://x.com/RasterlyRock/status/1791217181012701682 

    17:15 ETH is Digital Oil
    ​​https://twitter.com/0xkydo/status/1740750772093296938  

    20:37 ETH is an Internet Bond
    https://www.bankless.com/eth-the-internet-bond 

    23:38 Programmable Money
    https://x.com/econoar/status/1124311475428790273 

    25:59 "ETH is Ultra Sound Money"
    https://twitter.com/drakefjustin/status/1352734923703123968 

    31:44 Pitches + Debrief/Analysis + Vote https://www.jokerace.io/contest/base/0x0f2211f6727e85dbfae20e7dbfe57875a1f2b706 

    44:05 Closing & Disclaimers

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