Ron Pope & Blair Clark on staying independent, calculated risks, and letting things pass.

Devon Gilfillian on freedom in routine, machine building, and meatballs.

Devon Gilfillian has released records on both Capital and Fantasy Records, played on Colbert and Kimmel, and opened for The Brothers Osborne, My Morning Jacket, Mavis Staples, Gladys Knight and more. We chat with him about how routine can create freedom in your life, the importance of physical wellbeing both on the road and at home, building a machine that can provide for your people, using your platform and voice as an artist, and all points in between.

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enMarch 13, 2024

Margo Price + Jeremy Ivey on balancing approaches, knowing your roll, and orange soda.

Margo Price and Jeremy Ivey are both artists, songwriters, and are married with kids. They've released records on Loma Vista, Anti-, Third Man and independently, and under Margo's project have been nominated for a Grammy, played SNL, won awards, and more. We talk about balancing the many rolls in their lives, both together and independently, creating together while also parenting together, going from having a band together (Buffalo Clover) to 'separate' careers, and so many metaphors from table settings to orange soda.

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enMarch 06, 2024

Mary Chapin Carpenter on owning the process, personalizing mistreatment, and weathering rejection.

Mary Chapin Carpenter is an 18x Grammy nominated, 5x Grammy winning, 6x platinum-selling singer-songwriter with over 16 albums and decades of touring so far in her career. We talk with Mary Chapin about her songwriting process, including her need for solitude and her practice of "song walking," we talk about how she still faces rejection even with all of her accolades and commercial success, how common and easy it is to personalize mistreatment from people in power (and how to combat that), and much more on this very candid final episode of Season 1.

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enDecember 27, 2023

Glen Phillips (Toad the Wet Sprocket) on the joy of play, post-platinum economics, and creating in community.

Glen Phillips, lead singer of Toad the Wet Sprocket as well as a solo artist, has released 7 records with the band - 2 of which are multiplatinum - and 7 solo albums, spanning a career that started 37 years ago when Glen was just 15 years old. We talk about creating, and navigating the industry as both an active platinum-selling band, after the break-up, and now as the band has reformed, focusing and prioritizing the sheer joy of creating, how community can inspire and inform your creativity, and more.

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enDecember 20, 2023

Laura Veirs on staying aware, planning a sabbatical year, and life in the tortoise lane.

Laura Veirs is a prolific singer-songwriter with over 14 albums released on her own label as well as Nonesuch Records and Bella Union, is a member of case/lang/veirs (w/ Niko Case & kd lang) and is a painter, (brief) podcast host, and author of a children's book on Elizabeth Cotton. We talk about staying aware of the beauty and joy that surrounds you, planning (and taking) a sabbatical year as a self-employed creative, ceding control of your social media accounts, stage fright, running your own international label, maintaining ownership of your rights, being a tortoise surrounded by hares, and much more.

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enDecember 13, 2023

Gretchen Peters on recalibrating your definition of success, strength in artistry, and bucking industry expectations.

Gretchen Peters is a Grammy-nominated, CMA Song of the Year winning member of the Songwriters Hall of Fame, who had an extensive touring, has released 14 albums (mostly on her own label), and had songs recorded by the likes of Etta James, Martina McBride, George Strait, Patty Loveless, Shania Twain, Neil Diamond, Trisha Yearwood, and Bryan Adams, just to name a few. This episode jumps right in with Gretchen's decision, and the public (and private) reactions, to retire from touring, and we go on to talk about the powerful effects of recalibrating your definition of success, bucking industry expectations in the name of your creativity and artistry, the strength of artists, and so much more.

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Robert Ellis on present consciousness, getting back to having fun, and perceptions.

Robert Ellis is a singer-songwriter, producer, and multi-instrumentalist who has put out 6 albums both self-released and on New West Records, and having worked on records by Jamestown Revival, White Denim, Khruangbin, Nicole Atkins and others. We chat about the many benefits of mindfulness and being in the present moment, using adversity and tough times to return to having fun creating, parenting and perceptions, sobriety, and just saying f*ck it let's try something new!

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enNovember 29, 2023

Samantha Crain on asking questions, self advocacy, and growing in a non-music city.

Samantha Crain has released 8 records, started touring at 19, eventually supporting artists such as The Avett Brothers, Neutral Milk Hotel, Brandi Carlile, Buffy Sainte-Marie, Gregory Alan Isakov, The Mountain Goats, and MANY others, as well as joining First Aid Kit for an appearance on 'Conan', and self-producing many of her own records, as well as records for other artists. We explore the power of asking questions, both as a way to learn more in craft and business and as a means of self-advocacy in business dealings, we talk about the positives and negatives of growing a substantial career in a non-music town (Norman, OK in her instance), the many benefits of a meditation practice, and much more in this wide-ranging conversation.

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enNovember 22, 2023

John Craigie on the art of storytelling, the optics fallacy, and horticulture.

John Craigie is a singer-songwriter based out of Portland OR but who spent years living on the road, has released 12+ albums, and toured with the likes of Jack Johnson, Gregory Alan Isakov, Shawn Colvin, Sean Hayes and more. Craigie is known for his engaging live show that weaves a hefty dose of storytelling - in the vein of Arlo Gutherie - as well as comedy between his songs, so we send a lot of time talking about the art of storytelling and it's place in a concert, comedy, how he sustains such an intense tour schedule, drawing inspiration from communities of other artists such as painters and architects, debunking the optics fallacy and how finding the right venue for your show is much more powerful.

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enNovember 15, 2023

Joe Henry on the creative stream, daily aesthetics, and the musicality of language.

Joe Henry is a songwriter, producer, and writer who has released over 15 solo records on labels such as A&M and Anti-, and has produced records for a long list of artists such as Bonnie Raitt, Elvis Costello, Solomon Burke, Allen Toussaint, Rodney Crowell, Aimee Mann, Ani Difranco, Teddy Thompson, John Doe, and more. We have a diverse conversation about keeping yourself in the creative stream, knowing when to step away, acceptance, and much surrounding the Tom Waits quote, "How you do anything is how you do everything."

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enNovember 08, 2023

Ron Pope & Blair Clark on staying independent, calculated risks, and letting things pass.

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Recent Episodes from The Other 22 Hours

Devon Gilfillian on freedom in routine, machine building, and meatballs.

Margo Price + Jeremy Ivey on balancing approaches, knowing your roll, and orange soda.

Mary Chapin Carpenter on owning the process, personalizing mistreatment, and weathering rejection.

Glen Phillips (Toad the Wet Sprocket) on the joy of play, post-platinum economics, and creating in community.

Laura Veirs on staying aware, planning a sabbatical year, and life in the tortoise lane.

Gretchen Peters on recalibrating your definition of success, strength in artistry, and bucking industry expectations.

Robert Ellis on present consciousness, getting back to having fun, and perceptions.

Samantha Crain on asking questions, self advocacy, and growing in a non-music city.

John Craigie on the art of storytelling, the optics fallacy, and horticulture.

Joe Henry on the creative stream, daily aesthetics, and the musicality of language.