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    Rosalind Picard: Affective Computing, Emotion, Privacy, and Health

    enJune 17, 2019

    Podcast Summary

    • The Evolution of Effective Computing: From Emotional Intelligence to Social-Emotional UnderstandingEffective computing has evolved from recognizing and responding to human emotions in machines to focusing on the complexities of social-emotional interaction and the importance of machines understanding and responding to human emotions in a nuanced way for successful human-robot interaction and meaningful connections.

      Effective computing, as coined by Rosalind Picard over two decades ago, originally encompassed not just recognizing and responding to human emotions in machines, but also machines with emotional capabilities. However, early attempts at emotional intelligence in machines, like Microsoft's Clippy, often fell flat due to their lack of social-emotional understanding. These machines, while intelligent in certain contexts, failed to recognize and respond appropriately to human emotions, leading to frustration and annoyance. Effective computing has since evolved to focus more on the complexities of social-emotional interaction and the importance of machines understanding and responding to human emotions in a nuanced way. This is crucial for successful human-robot interaction and building meaningful connections between people and technology.

    • The Challenge of Creating Empathetic AIDespite advancements in computer science, creating deeply emotional interactions and true artificial consciousness remains elusive. The potential for misuse, particularly in areas with strict government control, is a significant concern.

      While computer science has made significant strides in research and diversity, there is still a lack of empathy and emotional intelligence in the field. Recognizing and creating deeply emotional interactions remains challenging, and we are not yet close to achieving true artificial consciousness. The difficulty of this task is constant, but the real concern is how this technology is being used, particularly in places like China, where criticizing the government can lead to severe consequences, even for simple facial expressions. The potential for misuse of technology, especially in terms of privacy, is a major concern and warrants careful consideration and the implementation of safeguards.

    • Ethical considerations of emotion recognition technologyAs emotion recognition technology advances, it's crucial to obtain consent, respect privacy, address potential misuse, ensure data ownership, and regulate the technology to benefit everyone and reduce societal inequities.

      As technology advances, particularly in the realm of affective computing and AI, there are important ethical considerations that must be addressed. The use of technology to read emotions without consent raises significant privacy concerns and potential for misuse. The speaker, who founded a company focused on ethical use of emotion recognition technology, emphasizes the importance of obtaining people's buy-in and respecting their consent. They also discuss the potential for deep fakes and adversarial examples to create a sense of uncertainty and the need to ensure data ownership and regulations to protect individuals. Ultimately, the goal should be to build AI that benefits everyone, not just the wealthy, and addresses societal inequities. While the speaker generally prefers a carrot approach, they acknowledge the need for some regulations, such as data ownership and extending lie detection regulations to emotion recognition.

    • Implications of AI and data collection for individual privacyAI's ability to analyze non-medical data and predict future mental and emotional states raises concerns about privacy and potential misuse. Balancing benefits and risks, and considering ethical implications, is crucial.

      As technology advances, particularly in the areas of artificial intelligence and data collection, there are significant implications for individual privacy and potential misuse of data. Wearable devices and always-listening home assistants, while offering convenience and potential benefits, also raise concerns about who has access to our personal information and how it might be used. The ability of AI to analyze non-medical data, such as smartphone use and social interaction, and predict future mental and emotional states, adds another layer of complexity. It's essential to strike a balance between the benefits and potential risks, and consider the ethical implications of these technologies. Additionally, the concentration of power in large tech companies, and the possibility of foreign entities gaining access to this data, further complicates the issue. It's crucial to engage in ongoing dialogue about these issues and involve a diverse range of perspectives in shaping the future of AI and data privacy.

    • AI tools like Alexa offer unique ways to alleviate lonelinessAI tools can deepen connections, create group interactions, and provide emotional support, but concerns over privacy and emotional understanding persist

      Technology, such as AI-powered tools like Alexa, can provide a sense of connection and alleviate loneliness in unique ways that go beyond traditional media like books or movies. These tools can respond and learn, deepening the connection and creating opportunities for group interactions between humans and AI. However, there are concerns regarding privacy and emotional understanding, with companies like Apple already exploring this area to better assist users and potentially improve sales. While some may view this as a manipulative tactic, others see it as a way to enhance the user experience and provide emotional support. Ultimately, the potential benefits and risks of emotional AI need to be carefully considered and balanced.

    • Balancing Ethics in Human-AI InteractionAs we develop AI technology, it's essential to consider ethical implications, ensuring a balance between beneficial interaction and potential manipulation or emotional exploitation.

      As we continue to develop AI technology, particularly in the realm of human-AI interaction, it's crucial to consider the ethical implications. While AI can provide benefits such as shopping therapy or even serve as a helpful assistant, there are concerns about the potential for manipulation and emotional exploitation. The objective function of AI-human interaction should not solely be to maximize happiness or minimize annoyance, but rather to strike a balance that allows for healthy tension and self-regulation. Regulation may be necessary to ensure a wall between emotion recognition and sales promotion. Ultimately, we must consider the kind of future we want and whether we want AI to be a respectful helper or a rival that pushes our buttons.

    • AI's ability to detect emotionsAI can detect emotions through facial expressions and physiological changes, but it cannot read thoughts or nuanced feelings, and patterns of emotional responses over time can provide valuable insights, but ethical considerations around government control and individual privacy are significant.

      AI can be used to extend human abilities and empower individuals, or it can be used to control and manipulate people based on their emotional responses. Emotions can be detected through various means, including facial expressions and physiological changes, but it's important to note that AI cannot read people's thoughts or nuanced feelings. While there are limitations to what can be inferred from emotional signals, patterns of emotional responses over time can provide valuable insights. The potential implications of this technology for governmental control and individual privacy are significant and raise important ethical considerations.

    • Forecasting Emotional States and Health Trends with Wearable Tech and MLWearable tech combined with ML accurately forecasts emotional states and health trends using physiological signals and smartphone data, offering control and transparency for individuals.

      Combining data from wearable technology and machine learning can accurately forecast an individual's emotional state and health trends over time. This approach, which includes measuring physiological signals like skin conductance, movement, and temperature, as well as smartphone usage data, is more accurate and less privacy-invading than non-contact methods like facial recognition. The control and transparency that wearable technology offers are crucial in reducing stress and promoting comfort, making it an empowering tool for individuals. The speaker's background in computer architecture and neuroscience has led them to build computers inspired by the brain and study its functions, leading to innovative solutions in effective computing.

    • Discovering unusual electrical activity in the brain leads to seizure detection wearableAn unusual electrical activity in the brain can be detected through body responses, leading to the development of a wearable for seizure detection and potential prevention of SUDEP, a leading cause of neurological disorder-related deaths.

      An unusual electrical activity in the brain can cause asymmetrical responses in the body, such as sweating, which was discovered when measuring stress in a child with autism. This finding led to the development of Embrace, an FDA-cleared wearable for seizure detection. Seizures can cause unusual electrical activity in specific regions of the brain, leading to detectable responses in wearable sensors. Deep-brain regions, which are difficult to reach with traditional EEG electrodes, also show significant skin conductance responses. These responses can indicate the onset of dangerous seizures that may precede Sudden Unexpected Death in Epilepsy (SUDEP), a leading cause of years of life lost among neurological disorders. By studying these responses, researchers hope to map deep-brain regions and potentially prevent SUDEP. Embrace's wristband is an essential tool in this ongoing research, providing insights into the complex electrical patterns in the brain.

    • Navigating FDA approval process for groundbreaking techThe FDA approval process can hinder the advancement of groundbreaking tech, but focusing on underserved communities can make a significant impact.

      While the FDA approval process plays a crucial role in ensuring safety in technology, it can be frustratingly opaque and time-consuming, potentially hindering the advancement of groundbreaking technologies. Empatica, for instance, aims to address various health issues like seizures, autism, and depression with their wearable tech. However, the team hopes to focus on solving the challenges faced by underprivileged communities, which often get overlooked in the pursuit of advanced technology. As for the possibility of creating an AI system capable of human-like love and emotion, it's an intriguing concept, but a long way off, especially when compared to the richness and complexity of human relationships. Ultimately, it's essential to bridge the gap between those with the means to innovate and those in need, ensuring that technology truly enhances the lives of all people.

    • The Future of AI: Enhancing Human LivesThe future of AI involves creating empathetic and beneficial technologies, with embodiment or consciousness optional depending on the application, and the debate on AI rights and consciousness being more about societal norms than science.

      The future of AI development lies in creating empathetic and beneficial technologies that enhance human lives. The need for embodiment or consciousness in AI depends on the specific goals, with embodied AIs offering greater engagement and presence. However, creating truly conscious AI remains a challenge and may not be necessary for many applications. The question of AI rights and consciousness is more a matter of politics and societal norms than a scientific one. The assumption of materialism and scientism in science may limit our understanding of the world, and it's essential to recognize that we believe in things beyond what can be currently measured.

    • Embracing the diversity of ways to acquire knowledge and truthScience is valuable, but it's not the only way to gain knowledge and understand truth. Embrace diverse ways of learning, acknowledge the role of faith and belief, and recognize the vastness of the unknown.

      While science is a valuable way to gain knowledge and understand the world around us, it is not the only way. History, philosophy, love, and other experiences offer unique insights and truths that cannot be proven scientifically. The speaker emphasizes the importance of recognizing the limitations of science and embracing the diversity of ways to acquire knowledge and truth. The belief in truth itself is a fundamental assumption that drives both scientific inquiry and other forms of knowledge seeking. The speaker encourages an open-minded approach to learning and exploration, acknowledging the vastness of the unknown and the importance of recognizing the role of faith and belief in all areas of life, including science. The speaker also highlights the value of reading and engaging with philosophical and spiritual texts for their wisdom and insights. Ultimately, the speaker sees life as a grand adventure with much more to discover beyond what can be proven scientifically.

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    Sean Carroll is a theoretical physicist, author, and host of Mindscape podcast. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors: - HiddenLayer: https://hiddenlayer.com/lex - Cloaked: https://cloaked.com/lex and use code LexPod to get 25% off - Notion: https://notion.com/lex - Shopify: https://shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/lex to get free product tour Transcript: https://lexfridman.com/sean-carroll-3-transcript EPISODE LINKS: Sean's Website: https://preposterousuniverse.com Mindscape Podcast: https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/ Sean's YouTube: https://youtube.com/@seancarroll Sean's Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/seanmcarroll Sean's Twitter: https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll Sean's Instagram: https://instagram.com/seanmcarroll Sean's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Lfifrv8AAAAJ Sean's Books: https://amzn.to/3W7yT9N PODCAST INFO: Podcast website: https://lexfridman.com/podcast Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/2lwqZIr Spotify: https://spoti.fi/2nEwCF8 RSS: https://lexfridman.com/feed/podcast/ YouTube Full Episodes: https://youtube.com/lexfridman YouTube Clips: https://youtube.com/lexclips SUPPORT & CONNECT: - Check out the sponsors above, it's the best way to support this podcast - Support on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/lexfridman - Twitter: https://twitter.com/lexfridman - Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lexfridman - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lexfridman - Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/lexfridman - Medium: https://medium.com/@lexfridman OUTLINE: Here's the timestamps for the episode. On some podcast players you should be able to click the timestamp to jump to that time. (00:00) - Introduction (11:03) - General relativity (23:22) - Black holes (28:11) - Hawking radiation (32:19) - Aliens (41:15) - Holographic principle (1:05:38) - Dark energy (1:11:38) - Dark matter (1:20:34) - Quantum mechanics (1:41:56) - Simulation (1:44:18) - AGI (1:58:42) - Complexity (2:11:25) - Consciousness (2:20:32) - Naturalism (2:24:49) - Limits of science (2:29:34) - Mindscape podcast (2:39:29) - Einstein

    #427 – Neil Adams: Judo, Olympics, Winning, Losing, and the Champion Mindset

    #427 – Neil Adams: Judo, Olympics, Winning, Losing, and the Champion Mindset
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    #426 – Edward Gibson: Human Language, Psycholinguistics, Syntax, Grammar & LLMs

    #426 – Edward Gibson: Human Language, Psycholinguistics, Syntax, Grammar & LLMs
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