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    Rutger Bregman - "Utopia for Realists" and Big Ideas for an Equitable Economy

    enJanuary 13, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Engaging in community and addressing societal issuesSpeaking out and taking action on important issues can lead to meaningful connections and positive change. Discover Neighbor to Neighbor for community involvement and Rutger Bregman's 'Utopia for Realists' for tax fairness insights.

      Engaging with your community and addressing important societal issues, such as tax fairness, can lead to meaningful connections and positive change. Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, hosts of Comedy Central's Neighbor to Neighbor, emphasize the importance of building strong neighborhood bonds. Meanwhile, Dutch historian Rutger Bregman, known for his views on tax fairness and wealth inequality, shares his experience of surprising the world's wealthiest individuals by bringing up the topic of taxes during a conference. Both examples illustrate the power of speaking out and taking action on issues that matter, even when they may be uncomfortable or unpopular. To get involved in your community and learn more about Neighbor to Neighbor, visit caneighbors.com. And for those interested in exploring the topic of tax fairness further, Rutger Bregman's book "Utopia for Realists: How We Can Build the Ideal World" is a great place to start.

    • Historically, higher taxes on the wealthy were the normRaising taxes on the wealthy is important, mainstream, and supported by a majority of Americans, despite concerns of mass emigration.

      Historically higher taxes on the wealthy were the norm in the past, and according to Rutger Bregman, bringing back these higher tax rates is a way to make America great again. He argues that the idea of the wealthy paying more taxes is not only important but also mainstream, with a majority of Americans in favor of it. Bregman dismisses the idea that raising taxes on the wealthy will lead to mass emigration, stating that America's political will is the only thing standing in the way of taxing the wealthy, no matter where they go. Bregman, who comes from Europe, acknowledges the criticism that he fights for these ideas in a country where things are already good, but he believes that it's a matter of common sense and what most people support. The conversation around taxes and wealth distribution is not about capitalism versus socialism, but rather about what is fair and reasonable for society.

    • A history of progressive policiesPolicies like universal basic income and Medicare for all, once seriously considered and trialed with positive results, face misconceptions and political maneuvering, but their potential effectiveness and relevance to modern inequality and welfare state pressures should be reevaluated.

      The debate around progressive policies, such as universal basic income and Medicare for all, which might seem radical to some, actually has a rich history in the United States. Policies like these were once seriously considered and even trialed, with positive results. However, misconceptions and political maneuvering led to their abandonment. This history, as discussed in the book "Utopia for Realists," sheds light on the potential effectiveness of these policies and challenges the perception that they are unrealistic or detrimental. Despite the influence of American debates on European discussions, Europe faces its own issues with rising inequality and pressure on the welfare state. The ongoing discussion around these policies underscores the importance of reevaluating their potential impact and considering their implementation in the modern context.

    • The power of radical ideasRadical ideas that seem unreasonable can lead to significant progress, such as the abandonment of unnecessary jobs. Remembering history's progress from the fringes can inspire new ideas and push for change.

      Throughout history, radical ideas that were once dismissed as unreasonable have ultimately led to significant progress. This includes the implementation of a 15-hour work week, which was once predicted by economist John Maynard Keynes but has since been abandoned due to the creation of a large number of unnecessary jobs. These "bullshit jobs," as the author terms them, often employ educated individuals who feel unfulfilled and could go on strike without significant consequences. Historically, progress often starts on the fringes with those considered radical, and it's important to keep this in mind when evaluating new ideas. The frustration for historians comes when they see politicians misrepresenting history and proposing plans that contradict their own stated goals. However, it's essential to remember that utopian fantasies have become reality throughout history. So, being unreasonable and pushing for change, even if it seems radical at first, can ultimately move the conversation forward.

    • The importance of essential workers and fair distribution of taxesHistorical events show that essential workers have significant impact on society and economy, and fair distribution of taxes is crucial for a better future.

      The importance of essential workers, such as garbage collectors and teachers, was highlighted during the 1968 New York City garbage strike. History shows that even bankers, who are often considered the creators of wealth, can go on strike and cause significant disruptions. However, the six-month-long strike in Ireland in 1970 resulted in minimal impact on the economy. This event challenges the notion that wealth is created solely at the top and trickles down. As a historian, it is concerning if we fail to consider the protection of workers and the fair distribution of taxes. History suggests that a lack of hope for a better future can lead to detrimental consequences. It is essential to know what we stand for and not just what we are against. The current movement of young people proposing ideas like the Green New Deal brings hope and excites Bregman the most. Neighbor to Neighbor, a California volunteers network, also emphasizes the importance of community and social bonds.

    • Building a connected community is like growing an avocadoCultivate a strong community by opening yourself up to new experiences, nurturing relationships, and committing to positive impact, just like growing an avocado

      Building a connected community is much like growing a California avocado – it requires the right conditions, dedication, and care from all involved. Just as an avocado is shaped by its environment and crafted with care by local farmers, a community thrives when neighbors come together and support each other. The best avocados, much like a strong community, are the result of responsible and sustainable practices. So, if you're looking to build a more connected neighborhood, take a cue from the California avocado – open yourself up to new experiences, nurture relationships, and commit to making a positive impact. For more information on how to get involved and learn from the best, visit visitcaneighbors.com. And for those avocado lovers out there, don't forget to check out californiaavocado.com to learn more about the delicious fruits in season now.

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