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    S9 Ep 327 Barry Hearn - Specialist Guest

    enDecember 06, 2023

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    • Shopping at Kroger: Delicious Meals, Everyday Low Prices, and Extra SavingsKroger offers a wide variety of affordable meal options, digital coupons, and fuel rewards for additional savings.

      Shopping at Kroger offers a vast selection of delicious meal options, everyday low prices, and additional savings through digital coupons and fuel rewards. Meanwhile, during an interview, the speaker expressed feelings of inadequacy and self-doubt when interacting with successful individuals, drawing comparisons to their own perceived insignificance. The speaker also shared an anecdote about Barry Hurn, a successful promoter who started promoting snooker when it became popular on TV and later moved on to boxing and darts. The speaker was fascinated by Hurn's success and wanted to understand the feelings and experiences that come with achieving such remarkable accomplishments.

    • Looking beyond superficial appearancesAssumptions based on appearance or profession can be inaccurate, and it's essential to get to know people for who they truly are.

      People's perceptions of us can be influenced by various factors, leading them to form incorrect assumptions. This was discussed when the speakers reminisced about their past experiences and how they were once perceived as intimidating figures due to their accents or professions. However, upon closer interaction, it was revealed that these assumptions were unfounded. Another theme that emerged was the idea that everyone has their own insecurities and challenges, regardless of their appearance or background. The speakers shared stories of how they felt alone at times, even when surrounded by people, and how they had to deal with their own fears and anxieties. Overall, the conversation underscored the importance of looking beyond superficial appearances and getting to know people for who they truly are.

    • From loving home to harsh boxing worldMike Tyson's life contrasted loving childhood with harsh boxing world, leading to excessive spending and loss of control.

      Mike Tyson's life and career were marked by a stark contrast between the loving and protective environments he experienced early on and the harsh realities of the boxing world under Don King. This transition, coupled with his natural violent tendencies and the easy access to money and vices, led to excessive spending and a loss of friends and control over his finances. Despite his volatile nature and unpredictable behavior, Tyson's incredible talent and entertainment value made him a legend in the boxing world. The speaker, who had personal experiences with Tyson, shares anecdotes about his encounters with the boxer, illustrating the complexities of Tyson's personality. Ultimately, Tyson's story serves as a reminder of the unique challenges faced by athletes, particularly in high-pressure and high-reward environments.

    • Boxing: A Way of LifeBoxing provides discipline, focus, and structure, helping individuals stay away from negative influences and offering a sense of purpose even after retirement

      Boxing, like any intense training regimen, can become a defining part of one's life. For boxers, the discipline and routine of training can help keep them focused and away from negative influences. However, when their boxing career ends, they can feel lost and unsure of what comes next. Frank Bruno, a former heavyweight champion, experienced this feeling when he retired. He wasn't the best fighter out there, but he had a good work ethic and a strong desire to compete. Boxing provided him with structure and kept him out of trouble. When he retired, he felt like a little boy lost. Despite the challenges, Bruno has come through it and remains a respected figure in the boxing world. The gym and the ring offered a unique discipline for Bruno and many other kids growing up in challenging environments. Even those who don't excel in the sport can benefit from the structure and focus it provides. For Bruno, the experience of boxing was more than just a physical challenge; it was a way of life.

    • Understanding audience preferences and catering to themSuccessful promotion requires listening to the market, providing value, embracing popular demands, building relationships, and balancing purist and bloodthirsty audiences.

      Understanding your audience and catering to their preferences is crucial in various fields, including boxing promotion and content creation. The speaker emphasized the importance of listening to the market and providing value for money to maintain public interest. This can mean embracing popular demands, even if they go against personal opinions, as long as they are legal. The speaker also highlighted the significance of building relationships and friendships, which can lead to memorable experiences and opportunities. In the context of boxing, a successful promoter must balance the needs of the purist audience and the bloodthirsty majority, ensuring that the fights are controlled and entertaining for all.

    • Encountering Remarkable IndividualsLook beyond initial appearances and seize opportunities with talented individuals, even if they don't meet certain qualifications at first.

      Sometimes in life, you encounter individuals who leave a profound impact on you, regardless of their quirks or seemingly unimpressive first impressions. Barry Hearn's encounter with a shy, ginger snooker player named Ronnie O'Sullivan at his Romford Snooker Club was such an experience. Initially, Hearn was skeptical of O'Sullivan's commitment due to his reluctance to meet the qualification of playing twice a week. However, O'Sullivan's exceptional talent and passion for the game soon became apparent. Hearn went on to manage O'Sullivan's career, and their partnership led to significant success when snooker began airing on national television. Hearn's story serves as a reminder that sometimes, you need to look beyond initial appearances and seize opportunities when they present themselves.

    • A mother's pushiness shapes her son's successA supportive yet pushy figure can instill focus, determination, and resilience, leading to success. Everyone's definition of success may differ, but hard work and a strong work ethic are essential components.

      Having a supportive and pushy figure in one's life can significantly impact one's confidence and drive towards success. The speaker's mother played a pivotal role in shaping his personality and instilling in him a strong work ethic and focus. Her pushiness, despite being perceived as bullying at times, ultimately gave him the strength and confidence to address people and pursue his interests. The speaker's success story serves as a reminder that sacrifices and hard work are essential components of achieving one's goals, and that everyone's definition of success may differ. The speaker grew up with a mentality to focus on his goals and not let rejection deter him, just like a fighter. His mother's words of encouragement, "you're not the brightest candle in the room, Barry, but you can burn longer than anyone," instilled in him a sense of determination and resilience that helped him overcome challenges and eventually find success.

    • The importance of resilience and determination in business and lifeInherent traits like resilience and determination are crucial for success in business and life. Time is valuable and should not be wasted, as it cannot be replaced.

      Resilience and determination, much like in sports, are essential qualities in business. The speaker emphasized that drive is an inherent trait that cannot be taught. He shared personal experiences of overcoming challenges and learning valuable lessons, which he now passes on to his grandchildren. The speaker also highlighted the importance of time and not wasting it, as money can be replaced but time cannot. The conversation touched upon the speaker's past experiences and his evolution from being "Flash" to learning valuable life lessons. Ultimately, the speaker emphasized the importance of nurturing inherent traits and resilience to overcome challenges and evolve as individuals.

    • Creating unique athlete personas in snookerDeveloping and highlighting distinct character traits among athletes is essential for the success of sports entertainment. This approach built a soap opera-like atmosphere around snooker, attracting a larger audience and keeping them engaged. Building a strong cast and fostering their unique traits is crucial to the longevity of any sports entertainment.

      The success of sports entertainment relies heavily on the development and highlighting of unique character traits among athletes. This was effectively demonstrated in the early days of snooker, where each player was given a distinct role and personality that resonated with audiences. Steve Davis, for instance, was portrayed as the boring one, while Dennis Taylor was the joker, Willie Thorne the gambler, and Jimmy White the artful dodger. This approach helped build a soap opera-like atmosphere around the sport, attracting a larger audience and keeping them engaged. However, as the business grew, some individuals lost sight of the importance of maintaining these characters, leading to a decline in interest. It takes time and effort to bring out the personalities of athletes, especially in sports like snooker where they spend most of their time indoors. Building a strong cast and fostering their unique traits is crucial to the longevity of any sports entertainment. Additionally, anecdotes about the athletes' off-court behavior can add another layer of intrigue and relatability to their personas. For instance, Alex Higgins, a beloved yet unpredictable snooker player, was known for his Jekyll and Hyde personality. He could be charming and kind one moment, and obnoxious the next. His love for gambling was legendary, and he would often bet large sums of money on matches. Stories like these humanize the athletes and make them more relatable and engaging to fans.

    • Experiences promoting snooker matches with Steve DavisThe speaker shared stories of promoting snooker matches with Steve Davis, emphasizing the unique excitement and intensity of those events, Davis's dedication and practice, and the importance of passion and determination in pursuits

      The speaker shared stories about his experiences promoting snooker matches in the 1970s with Steve Davis, who was a rising star in the snooker world. Despite Davis never winning a Romford tournament, the excitement and intensity of those events were unparalleled. The speaker and Davis had a synergetic relationship, with the speaker aiming to be the biggest promoter and Davis being the best talent. The speaker protected Davis and managed his finances, a fact that Davis remained unaware of. The speaker emphasized that those days were special because winning or losing meant something, and they created moments that couldn't be bought. Steve Davis was the first true professional snooker player, and his dedication and practice set him apart from others. The speaker admired Davis's father, Bill, who was a Joe Davis fan and played a significant role in shaping Steve's career. The speaker expressed hope that future generations would find the same determination and passion for their pursuits, regardless of their backgrounds.

    • The Price of Winning and SuccessSuccess often requires ruthless focus on goals, which can involve sacrificing personal relationships. Dedication, motivation, talent, and success are important, but so is understanding the potential sacrifices.

      Winning and success often come with a price, which can involve being ruthless and focusing solely on one's goals, even if it means hurting others or neglecting personal relationships. Barry's experiences, from crushing a young snooker player to surviving a business recession, demonstrate this brutal reality. He emphasizes the importance of having dedication, motivation, talent, and success, but acknowledges the potential sacrifices. He shares that in the past, he may have been too focused on his own survival to be a good father or partner, but fortunately, his loved ones understood his situation. Ultimately, Barry believes that putting oneself first is necessary to help others and achieve long-term success.

    • A painting of Chris Eubank with notable figures inspired by 'Sergeant Pepper' albumChris Eubank's boxing career and the speaker's gambling on his fights led to an unforgettable bond, with the speaker playing a significant role in Eubank's success.

      Chris Eubank, a renowned boxer, had a unique and meaningful painting in his house depicting him in a divine setting with notable figures like Ronnie Corbett and Bruce Forsyth. This painting, inspired by the Beatles' album "Sergeant Pepper," was a representation of significant people from Eubank's life. Eubank and the speaker shared a deep bond, with the speaker being his best man at his wedding. The painting was located in the lounge of his house. Eubank's boxing career was a turning point for the speaker, who gambled everything he had on Eubank's fights and had 21 world title fights with him. Despite their ups and downs, Eubank acknowledged the speaker's role in his success and expressed gratitude. The speaker also shared a story about their experience in Berlin, where they faced hostile crowds but managed to keep Eubank focused and ultimately won the fight. Eubank was a unique and resilient individual who thrived in challenging environments, always determined to prove everyone wrong. The speaker's experiences with Eubank were unforgettable and filled with moments of intense emotion and excitement.

    • Barry's Journey in Boxing: Overcoming Odds and Cherishing RelationshipsBarry, a successful boxer, emphasizes honesty, cherishes relationships, and remains positive despite challenges

      Despite facing seemingly insurmountable odds, the speaker, Barry, has had a successful life in boxing and intends to continue living it to the fullest. He values honesty and straight forwardness, and if his story, as told in his book, aligns with that, he welcomes further discussions. He has formed strong connections, including with Steve Davis, and cherishes these relationships deeply. The speaker's past experiences, including being surprised by larger opponents and receiving unexpected gifts, have shaped his perspective and made him the person he is today. Overall, Barry's outlook on life is one of positivity, honesty, and cherishing the relationships he's built.

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