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    Scotohylology (DARK MATTER) with Flip Tanedo

    en-usFebruary 08, 2023

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    • Exploring the Mysteries of the Universe with Dr. Flip TannatoTheoretical physicist Dr. Flip Tannato shares his journey to understanding dark matter, the emotional rollercoaster of tenure, and existential questions about life and reality in the universe.

      Theoretical particle physicist, Dr. Flip Tannato, who recently earned tenure at UC Riverside, has dedicated his life to understanding the mysterious nature of the universe, including the existence and behavior of dark matter. During their conversation, Dr. Tannato shared his personal journey, which included the emotional rollercoaster of achieving tenure. The discussion also touched on the intrigue of particle physics and the unknowns of the universe, raising existential questions about the meaning of life and the nature of reality. Listeners are encouraged to join the show's community for more in-depth discussions on these topics and beyond.

    • The Perks of Academia: Lifelong Employment and Naming LabsAcademia offers job security and the ability to name research labs, making it an attractive career path for those seeking stability and recognition.

      Tenure in academia provides lifelong job security, much like a commitment from a loved one, but without the romantic gestures. It's a prestigious status that grants indefinite employment, making it a highly sought-after goal in the academic world. Additionally, scientists can name their research labs after themselves, a fact discovered during a conversation with Dr. Valerie Horsley. Another intriguing discussion revolved around the field of theoretical physics and the study of dark matter. Theoretical physicists explore the fundamental building blocks of matter, including energy, which cannot be seen but can be quantified. They use mathematical models to understand the universe, leading to discoveries like the existence of atoms. One can't become a theoretical physicist or a dark matter expert overnight; it requires a deep understanding of complex concepts. My interlocutor shared their personal journey, which began with a passion for writing. Inspired by LeVar Burton's Reading Rainbow, they were drawn to the idea of having a voice. Unbeknownst to them, Burton was also a Star Trek actor. This unexpected connection sparked their curiosity about the world of science and led them to pursue a career in theoretical physics.

    • Star Trek sparks fascination with physics and unknowns of the universeDiscovering 95% of the universe is dark matter and dark energy, leaving vast unknowns to explore, ignites excitement and fear in the speaker.

      The speaker's fascination with Star Trek and its scientific concepts, particularly around black holes and the unknowns of the universe, ignited their interest in physics. They were excited by the idea that there were open questions in science that could be explored creatively. The speaker also expressed their future goal of writing a popular science book, despite hating the writing process. The mind-blowing revelation for the speaker was the discovery that only 5% of the universe's mass and energy is made up of visible matter, with the remaining 95% being dark matter and dark energy, which we have only indirect evidence of and have yet to fully understand. This realization made the speaker feel like we are currently discovering that we are swimming in an ocean of unknown substances, just like a fish discovering water. The speaker expressed their excitement and terror about the unknowns in the fields of dark matter and dark energy.

    • The Discovery and Hypothesis of Dark MatterAround a century ago, scientists discovered that galaxies had more gravity than visible matter explained. This 'missing matter' was named dark matter in 1933. Vera Rubin hypothesized it exerts gravity, and its existence is inferred from gravitational effects. The discovery expanded our universe understanding and deepened curiosity.

      Our understanding of the universe has been expanded through the discovery and hypothesis of dark matter. Around a century ago, astronomers noticed that galaxies had more gravity than could be explained by visible matter alone. This "missing matter" was dubbed dark matter in 1933 by Fritz Zwicky. Vera Rubin, an astronomer, hypothesized in 1978 that dark matter exerts gravity, keeping galaxies together. Despite not being able to see or interact with it through electromagnetic forces, dark matter's existence is inferred from its gravitational effects. The discovery of the Higgs boson in the 1980s and 1990s, often referred to as the "God particle," led physicists to question if they had been missing fundamental particles in their attempts to categorize all the elements of nature. The discovery of dark matter has broadened our perspective of the universe and deepened our curiosity about the unknown.

    • Solving the Hierarchy Problem with Dark Matter DiscoveryThe discovery of dark matter particles resolved the hierarchy problem in particle physics, explaining the discrepancy between observed and predicted masses and contributing to the understanding of the fundamental structure of the universe.

      The discovery of the Higgs boson, a fundamental particle that gives other particles mass, was a major puzzle for scientists due to its unexpectedly light mass. This was a significant issue, known as the hierarchy problem, which threatened to render the theory of particle physics incomplete. Prior to 2013, scientists had proposed various exotic theories, such as supersymmetry and extra dimensions, to address this issue. However, the discovery of dark matter, which was observed to contribute to the mass of galaxies, challenged these theories. Particle physicists initially dismissed the existence of dark matter, believing they had already discovered its equivalent in the form of the Higgs boson. The hierarchy problem was eventually solved by the discovery of new particles that do not decay, contributing to the mass of the universe and resolving the discrepancy between the observed and predicted masses. The discovery of these particles, known as dark matter particles, was a significant development in understanding the fundamental structure of the universe.

    • Discovering the Higgs boson and the mystery of dark matterThe discovery of the Higgs boson at the LHC came with unexpected challenges, leading to a reevaluation of theories about dark matter and its properties.

      The discovery of the Higgs boson at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in 2012 was a significant breakthrough in physics, but it came with unexpected challenges. Theorists had predicted that the LHC would discover exotic new particles in addition to the Higgs boson, but none were found. This led to a reevaluation of theories, particularly in the area of dark matter. Theorists, who had previously assumed they knew what dark matter was, began to think more open-endedly about its possible properties. The LHC's discovery of the Higgs boson was a long and complex process, involving the smashing of particles trillions of times over and the collection of data from particle parts. Despite the challenges, the LHC's discovery of the Higgs boson was a major step forward in our understanding of the origin of mass of subatomic particles. The name "dark matter" refers to the invisible matter that is thought to make up approximately 27% of the universe, and its properties are still a mystery.

    • Physicist Fritz Zwicky coined the terms 'dark matter' and 'dark energy'Physicist Fritz Zwicky named 'dark matter' for unseen substance not interacting with light and 'dark energy' for mysterious force expanding universe

      The terms "dark matter" and "dark energy," which are used to describe two mysterious phenomena in the universe, were named by physicist Fritz Zwicky. Zwicky, known for his cantankerous personality, coined the term "dark matter" in the 1930s to describe a substance that doesn't interact with light. The term "dark energy," which was discovered later, was adopted due to its similarity to "dark matter." Theorists often find inspiration for new ideas by coming together at institutions like the Aspen Center for Physics and the Kavli Institute for Theoretical Physics, where they can collaborate and share their unique perspectives. And yes, some physicists have jokingly pondered the possibility that dark matter and dark energy could be made up of ghosts. But in all seriousness, the search for answers about these enigmatic phenomena continues.

    • Exploring the Implications of Dark MatterDark matter discovery's implications extend beyond physics, with potential existence of dark atoms and civilizations challenging our reality. Science fiction inspires physicists to push boundaries, mirroring creative process of making small tweaks to physical laws.

      The excitement surrounding the discovery of dark matter in the universe extends beyond the realm of particle physics. The potential existence of dark atoms and even dark civilizations living in the dark matter halo challenges our understanding of reality. This idea, while seemingly far-fetched, is reminiscent of the creative exploration of physical laws in science fiction. Authors like Ted Chiang, who write stories grounded in scientific principles, inspire physicists to push the boundaries of their theories. The process of creating a predictive theory of dark matter, subject to the constraints of the standard model of particle physics, mirrors the creative exercise of making a small tweak to physical laws and observing the consequences. The movie "Arrival," which is based on one of Ted Chiang's stories, illustrates this concept by exploring the idea of a character who can view her entire timeline. This exploration of the intersection between science and fiction highlights the endless possibilities for discovery and the importance of maintaining a curious and imaginative perspective.

    • The Principle of Least Action in Quantum Mechanics and the Misunderstood Nature of Dark MatterQuantum mechanics suggests every possible historical path occurs, with the most likely one minimizing a certain function. Dark matter is a form of matter that doesn't interact with electromagnetic forces, making it invisible to current detection methods.

      Quantum mechanics, a fundamental theory in physics, suggests that every possible historical evolution from one state to another actually happens, with the most likely path being the one that minimizes a certain function. This concept, known as the principle of least action, can be puzzling as it seems to imply that particles have knowledge of the future. Dark matter, another intriguing topic in physics, is often misunderstood to be antimatter or black holes. However, it is neither. The public may also believe that dark matter is ghostly in nature, but it is in fact a form of matter that does not interact with electromagnetic forces, making it invisible to current detection methods. The search for understanding dark matter continues, with theories including the existence of extra dimensions or dark math, a completely different way of quantifying the universe. These ideas, though intriguing, require a shift in our understanding of the logical foundations of mathematics and the laws of physics as we know them.

    • Discovering dualities in physics and their implicationsNew physics theories with extra dimensions allow for calculations to have meaning in three-dimensional world, leading to new understandings and tools for testing theories, despite some mysteries remaining unsolved.

      The discovery of dualities in physics, particularly in theories with extra dimensions, has revolutionized the field by allowing calculations in these theories to have meaning in more commonly understood, three-dimensional theories. This has led to new possibilities for understanding phenomena, such as dark matter, and the use of powerful tools like the Large Hadron Collider to test these theories. While we may not yet have answers for all mysteries, such as dark energy, the excitement of potential discoveries keeps researchers motivated. For instance, the rare occurrence of a supernova is a significant event for physicists, offering valuable insights into the universe. The Point Foundation, chosen by the speaker as a cause to support, empowers LGBTQ students to reach their academic and leadership potential despite obstacles.

    • Exploring the mysteries of dark matter and the multiverseDark matter is a real form of matter, scientists are actively researching new particles with unique behaviors, and the multiverse theory suggests multiple universes with different physical laws, but they cannot interact with ours.

      Dark matter is a measurable form of matter, not just the absence of it, and it's something that scientists are actively researching. Additionally, the concept of hidden valleys in physics refers to theories developed to explore the idea that new particles discovered at the Large Hadron Collider might not behave like ordinary particles or have unique signatures. The idea of a multiverse, where there are multiple universes with different physical laws, is distinct from the concept of dimensions, which refer to the number of spaces and times in a universe. While the multiverse theory is intriguing, it's important to remember that, by definition, other universes in a multiverse would not interact with our universe, making it impossible to traverse or pass through them. Overall, these discussions highlight the ongoing curiosity and exploration in the field of physics, from understanding the nature of dark matter to considering the existence of multiple universes.

    • The role of dark matter in time travel and our existenceDark matter's presence is crucial for the formation of galaxies and our existence. Its disappearance might lead to uncertain consequences, and there might be anti-dark matter and anti-neutrinos.

      Time travel, as we understand it, is already a fascinating concept due to the effects it has on our perception of time. Moreover, dark matter plays a crucial role in the formation of galaxies and our existence. Its absence would mean no collection of ordinary matter, and thus, no us. If all dark matter suddenly disappeared, the consequences are uncertain, but it might lead to the scattering of galaxies. Additionally, there is likely anti-dark matter that corresponds to anti-matter, and the same question applies to neutrinos, another invisible particle.

    • Exploring the Enigma of Dark MatterDark matter study involves both theoretical and observational approaches despite detection challenges. Its potential presence in everyday objects and impact on our universe understanding is a complex ongoing investigation.

      The study of dark matter, a nearly massless and weakly interacting particle that makes up a significant portion of the universe, is a complex and ongoing investigation that involves both theoretical and observational approaches. Despite the challenges in detecting it directly, scientists continue to explore its properties and implications, including its potential presence in everyday objects and the impact it may have on our understanding of the universe. The speaker also shared some personal experiences, such as the discovery of the Higgs boson, which was initially thought to be undetectable, and the liberating yet depressing thoughts that come with contemplating the end of the universe. Additionally, the speaker provided some practical tips for working on mathematical problems, such as using lo-fi hip hop music and creating a cafe ambiance. The distinction between astrophysics and theoretical particle physics was also discussed, with the two fields increasingly collaborating on research related to dark matter. Astrophysicists focus on observational astronomy and cosmology, while theoretical particle physicists use quantum field theory and other tools to explore fundamental particles. Overall, the conversation underscored the importance of curiosity, collaboration, and persistence in scientific research, as well as the awe-inspiring mysteries that continue to unfold in the universe.

    • Visualizing Dark Matter through Mathematics and AnalogiesTheoretical physicists use visualization techniques and analogies to understand the abstract concept of dark matter, including extra dimensions, wave functions, and Feynman diagrams. Gravitational lensing reveals its filament-like structure, offering insights into the nature of this invisible substance that makes up 27% of the universe.

      Theoretical physicists, when trying to understand the abstract concept of dark matter, rely heavily on visualization and analogies. They imagine extra dimensions mathematically, draw wave functions, and use Feynman diagrams to make sense of complex calculations. Dark matter itself is not a tangible thing, but these visualizations help physicists grasp its properties. Dark acoustic oscillations, a concept explored by researchers, even suggests that dark matter produces sounds, albeit ones we can't hear. Visualization techniques like gravitational lensing offer a way to observe dark matter's distribution, revealing its filament-like structure. These methods provide crucial insights into the nature of this invisible substance that makes up approximately 27% of the universe.

    • From ideas to implementation in science takes timeSlowly progress through core ideas, collaborate, and recognize the value of youth in both science and life.

      Scientific discovery, whether theoretical or experimental, is a lengthy and complex process. The speaker, a scotohylologist, shares that while theorizing and coming up with ideas can be relatively quick, the actual testing and implementation of those ideas can take years. This involves securing funding, hiring and training personnel, and conducting experiments, which can lead to disappointing results. The speaker advises working on a few core ideas, collaborating with colleagues, and taking a slow and incremental approach to progress. Regarding life advice, the speaker suggests the importance of doing one's homework and recognizing the potential and beauty of youth. Scientific research, like life, offers no shortcuts or easy answers, but the journey is worthwhile.

    • Embracing the importance of mistakes and learning from themMistakes are essential for growth and new insights in theoretical physics research. Embrace the process of learning and don't be afraid of failure.

      Making mistakes and learning from them is a crucial part of the scientific process, and life in general. Dr. Flip Tanedo, a theoretical physicist, shared his experience of the importance of intuition and failure in theoretical physics research. He emphasized that it's okay to be wrong and that each mistake leads to new insights and learning. He encouraged students and everyone, in general, not to be afraid of failure and to embrace the process of learning. Dr. Tanedo also highlighted the excitement of always learning new things in his field and the importance of asking simple questions to the smartest people. In essence, the value lies not only in getting things right but also in the journey of discovery and learning from mistakes.

    • Contributions of Jarrett Sleeper, Mark David Christensen, Mercedes Maitland, and a surprise appearance by Sarah McNultyThe podcast features discussions on various scientific topics with unexpected emotional moments and potential influence from psychedelic substances.

      The creation of the podcast involved the contributions of several key individuals, including Jarrett Sleeper, Mark David Christensen, and Mercedes Maitland. Sarah McNulty, a squid expert and toothologist, made a surprise appearance and introduced the hosts to the animated film "Puss in Boots," which left them with an unexpected emotional response. The hosts also expressed their belief that the animators may have been influenced by psychedelic substances while creating the film. Additionally, the podcast covers various scientific topics such as pachydermatology, amiology, cryptozoology, lithology, and nanotechnology, with a particular focus on understanding dark matter.

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