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    Starmer: "We've gotta roll with it"

    enAugust 28, 2024
    What topics were discussed on the Ogon What Now podcast?
    How did Keir Starmer describe the upcoming budget situation?
    What is the significance of Rock Against Racism mentioned in the podcast?
    How has public perception of the Labor party appointments changed?
    What challenges does the new British government face with the budget?

    Podcast Summary

    • Labor party appointments, societal impact of musicThe Ogon What Now podcast discussed the impact of music on societal issues, political appointments in the Labor party, and the potential for music to create change while acknowledging the challenges ahead for Britain's budget and societal unity.

      The discussion on Ogon What Now podcast touched upon various topics including the cancellation of a helicopter contract, the impact of music on societal issues, and political appointments. Keir Starmer warned of a painful autumn budget and a societal black hole, raising questions about Britain's readiness to face the challenges ahead. Rafael brought up the return of Rock Against Racism and the debate on music's ability to unite and create change. Seth Tevo discussed his new Substack and the ongoing controversy surrounding Labor party appointments. The podcast also touched upon the recurring theme of disregard for consequences in the context of the riots and social media. Despite the skepticism towards music's ability to bring about significant change, the panelists acknowledged its potential role in shaping cultural values and standing up for good causes. The Labor party appointments were seen as a sign of favoritism, but not on the same scale as during the last government. Overall, the podcast explored various issues, raising thought-provoking questions and encouraging open dialogue.

    • British gov't budget challengesThe new British gov't, led by PM Starmer, faces significant criticism and economic challenges as they prepare to implement their budget. Balancing promises to improve public services and reduce inequality with fiscal responsibility will be a crucial test.

      The new British government, led by Prime Minister Starmer, is facing significant challenges as they prepare to implement their budget, with criticism coming from both the left and right. Starmer has acknowledged the difficulties ahead and has tried to be transparent with the public about the tough economic situation. However, the government's opponents are eager to criticize any tax increases, and the public may be hesitant to accept more hardships after years of austerity. The Labour Party, which campaigned on promises to improve public services and reduce inequality, will need to find a way to balance these goals with fiscal responsibility. The upcoming budget will be a crucial test for the new government, and how they communicate and manage the public's expectations will be key to their success. The government's handling of the economic challenges will be closely watched, and any missteps could lead to significant political consequences.

    • Tax increasesRaising taxes on major sources like income tax, VAT, corporation tax, and national insurance is necessary for revenue generation but requires careful timing and approach to avoid unintended consequences and public backlash.

      Raising taxes on the "big levers" such as income tax, VAT, corporation tax, and national insurance is crucial for fiscal revenue generation. Failing to do so can result in unintended consequences and the need to raise taxes from various smaller sources, leading to potential problems. Historically, this has been a common occurrence during times of political transition between parties. The current economic situation and the upcoming election may force Labour to address this issue and potentially raise unpopular taxes. The timing and approach to this will be crucial, as the electorate has a limited tolerance for such measures. Additionally, addressing long-term issues like the prison crisis and government reforms requires effective political leadership, a compelling narrative, and patience, as the benefits may not be immediately apparent.

    • UK politicsThe UK's new government faced unexpected fiscal challenges, leading to controversial proposals and political tensions. Effective communication and transparency are crucial in politics to maintain public trust.

      The recent political events in the UK, specifically the unexpected fiscal challenges faced by the new government and the public's response to it, reveal the complexities and challenges of governing. Liz Truss's controversial proposal to cancel online NHS cancer treatments to address fiscal issues was met with criticism and surprise, highlighting the importance of transparency and effective communication in politics. The Labour Party capitalized on the situation, accusing the Conservatives of recklessness and promising to address public services' funding needs. However, the true extent of the financial gaps and the challenges of implementing austerity measures are significant and may lead to further political tensions, with the Greens potentially emerging as a significant opposition force on the left. The new government must navigate these challenges carefully to maintain public trust and deliver on their promises.

    • UK political fragmentationThe UK's political landscape is becoming increasingly fragmented, with voters showing a lack of loyalty to traditional parties. The Greens may have an opportunity to capitalize on this trend, but long-term success is uncertain due to evolving cultural contexts and public opinion.

      The political landscape in the UK is becoming increasingly fragmented, with voters showing a lack of loyalty to traditional parties like Labor and the Liberal Democrats. The July general election highlighted this trend, with significant numbers of voters shifting towards more radical left and right-wing propositions. The Lib Dems, who once occupied a position to the left of Labor, have moved towards the center and picked up Tory votes instead. This has left a vacancy for the Greens to potentially capitalize on. However, the success of such a strategy remains uncertain, as public opinion may not sustain long-term support for anti-austerity messages. The cultural context around austerity and economic hardship is also likely to evolve, making it a challenging issue for political parties to leverage effectively. Overall, the UK political scene is experiencing significant shifts, and parties will need to adapt quickly to respond to these changing voter preferences.

    • Online actions, real-world consequencesThe disconnect between online actions and real-world consequences can lead to shock and harm, and it's important to engage in respectful online interactions as online actions have real-world consequences.

      The disconnect between actions and consequences in the digital world, particularly on social media, has led to a sense of unreality and shock when people are held accountable for their words and actions. This disconnect is not new, but the prevalence of social media and the erosion of privacy have amplified the issue. People often claim they didn't mean to cause harm or that their words were just a form of satire or free speech. However, incitement to violence has always been shunned and is now a crime. The digital world can accelerate radicalization, leading people to extreme views, regardless of their starting point. It's an interesting question whether we have a "boomer media problem" more than a social media problem, but it's clear that all digital systems can contribute to this issue. It's important to remember that online actions have real-world consequences and to engage in healthy and respectful online interactions.

    • Political extremismThe normalization and legitimization of previously fringe, violent language and beliefs in mainstream discourse due to the belief of being under attack by the radical left, amplified by social media, requires critical thinking and diverse perspectives to counteract echo chambers and maintain open discourse.

      The extreme language and beliefs, including racism and incitement to violence, seen in some parts of the political sphere today is not a new phenomenon, but rather an extension of a wider compulsion in right-wing politics to believe they are under attack by the radical left. This belief has led to a normalization and legitimization of previously fringe, violent language and ideas in mainstream discourse. The pervasive nature of social media and its global reach has further amplified this trend, creating an echo chamber that can be misconstrued as a mainstream view. It's important to remember that this is not a new phenomenon, but rather the breaking down of barriers that once kept such language and beliefs from entering the mainstream. It's crucial to use critical thinking and seek out diverse perspectives to counteract the echo chambers and ensure a healthy, open discourse.

    • Free Speech BoundariesEvery society sets its own boundaries for free speech, and it's essential to understand the context and audience when considering what can be said, as the American First Amendment does not apply directly to the UK. Regulation of harmful speech is necessary to prevent discourse pollution and maintain a healthy public debate.

      There is a common misconception among some British people that their free speech rights are being infringed upon due to American influences and social media platforms. However, it is important to understand that every society draws the boundaries of free speech differently, and there are limits to what can be said based on context and audience. The American First Amendment does not directly apply to the UK, and having a platform comes with responsibility. Regulation of harmful speech is necessary to prevent discourse pollution and maintain a healthy public debate. It is essential to be honest about the purpose of debates and avoid using the free speech frame to degrade and wear down consensus. While some may feel uneasy about people being jailed for offensive social media posts, it is crucial to distinguish between hate speech and freedom of expression. Ultimately, being aware of the potential consequences of our words and actions online is crucial to prevent harm to others and maintain a respectful and inclusive online community.

    • Online arguments, disconnectingEngaging in online arguments, particularly during heated political periods, can amplify negativity. Instead, focus on positive interactions and disconnecting through activities like reading historical books or listening to music.

      Engaging in online arguments, especially during heated political periods, can be counterproductive and amplify negativity. Adrian Childs shared his personal experience of realizing this during the 2016-2019 period when he was involved in arguments about antisemitism online. He encourages stepping away from the keyboard and focusing on positive interactions instead. Additionally, Childs discussed his love for reading historical books, such as "The Perilous Crown by Monroe Price," as an escape from the relentless news cycle. The book offers insights into the uncertain political stage in France between 1814 and 1848, and Childs suggests it could be a great way to understand this bizarre period. For music lovers, electronic artist T-SHA's new album, "Sad Girl," coming out on September 27, is another recommended escape route. Overall, it's essential to find ways to disconnect from the constant news cycle and engage in positive activities that bring joy and relaxation.

    • Podcast production teamA podcast with a comedic twist, Oh God, What Now?, has a dedicated team including producers, audio engineers, video producers, group editor, and managing editor, all supported by Patreon backers.

      The Oh God, What Now? podcast, hosted by Andrew Harrison, Raphael Behr, and Seth Divel, is a weekly show that provides news and commentary on current events with a comedic twist. The show is available to all listeners on Friday mornings, but backers have early access on Thursdays. Upcoming live shows are scheduled in Liverpool on September 24th and Hove on October 9th. Patreon supporters play a crucial role in keeping the podcast independent and were acknowledged during the episode. The team behind the podcast includes Chris Jones as the producer, Robin Lieburn and Chris Jones for audio production, and Kieran Leslie for video production. Oh God, What Now? is a Podmaster's production with Andrew Harrison as the group editor and Jacob Jarvis as the managing editor.

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