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    StarTalk Live at Town Hall with Buzz Aldrin (Part 2)

    en-usSeptember 22, 2013

    Podcast Summary

    • Space Race Fueled American Progress, Now Threat of China Drives InterestBelief that competition from other countries like China could rekindle public interest and drive space program forward, while cost-effective solutions are essential for continued progress.

      The competitive nature of the space race between the United States and the Soviet Union in the mid-20th century propelled the American space program forward, leading to significant achievements like the moon landing. However, once the political imperative for space exploration waned, funding and progress stalled. Buzz Aldrin expressed his belief that the threat of other countries, such as China, going to Mars first could reignite the public's interest and drive the space program forward. Historically, space exploration was initially funded like a war, but without the same level of political motivation, the cost of entering space remains high. Aldrin criticized the SLS (Senate Launch System) as a potential mistake due to its high cost. To continue making strides in space exploration, it's crucial to find more cost-effective solutions.

    • Political pressures shaping the US space programThe US space program is influenced by political mandates, leading to expensive projects like the $1B Space Launch System, but lacks incentives to lead unless provoked or threatened. Potential solutions include asteroid deflection or Mars colonization, with challenges like long journeys and resource scarcity.

      The space program in the United States has been influenced significantly by political pressures and mandates, leading to expensive and politically motivated projects. For instance, the Space Launch System, often referred to as the Senate Launch System, was a result of such political intervention. The cost per launch is estimated at $1 billion, and it includes heritage components, or old technology, to keep jobs and secure votes. The panel consensus is that the U.S. lacks the incentive to lead in space exploration unless provoked or threatened. Instead, they suggest focusing on deflecting asteroids or colonizing other planets as potential solutions to ensure human survival. However, the challenges of colonizing Mars, such as the long journey and the lack of essential resources, remain significant obstacles. The panel also discussed the possibility of terraforming Mars first and having a seamless web in space for supplies. Overall, the conversation highlighted the complex interplay of politics, economics, and scientific considerations in space exploration.

    • Setting up a base on Mars' moon Phobos for manned mission preparationTo overcome long communication delays and psychological effects, establishing a base on Mars' moon Phobos is crucial for manned missions. Astronauts would rely on locally grown food and water, and continuous advancements are necessary to maintain public interest.

      Establishing a base on Mars before embarking on a manned mission is crucial to overcome the challenges of long communication delays and psychological effects. Buzz Aldrin proposes setting up an advanced team on Mars' moon Phobos, where they can control rovers and prepare for eventual human arrival. However, real-time communication is not possible due to the significant travel time of radio signals. This means that astronauts would have to rely on locally grown food and water, which is abundant on Mars but requires extraction. The psychological impact of being isolated from Earth for extended periods is also a concern. To maintain public interest, continuous advancements and discoveries would be necessary. Despite these challenges, the potential rewards of establishing a human presence on Mars are vast, including the discovery of new resources and expanding our understanding of the universe.

    • Terraforming Mars: Creating a Habitable EnvironmentDespite challenges like smaller size, weaker gravity, and lack of magnetic field, some believe it's possible to create a habitable environment on Mars through contained bubbles or domes, but adapting to living on Mars with its barren landscape and brown sky remains a question.

      Terraforming Mars, which involves making the planet more Earth-like, presents significant challenges due to its smaller size, weaker gravity, and lack of a magnetic field. These factors make it difficult for Mars to hold onto an atmosphere and protect it from the solar wind. Despite these challenges, some believe it's possible to create a habitable environment within a contained bubble or dome, insulated by air pressure. However, the question remains whether people would adapt to living on Mars with its barren landscape and brown sky, or if they would continue to long for the familiar sights and sensations of Earth. The discussion also touched on the importance of entertainment in sustaining public interest in space exploration.

    • Pioneers who push boundariesThe human instinct to explore and push boundaries, even if it means leaving Earth permanently, is a significant and far-reaching pursuit worth celebrating.

      The pioneers who will be remembered in history as the most groundbreaking are those who have accomplished something never done before, such as establishing a permanent settlement on Mars. These individuals will be celebrated for generations, even if they were just a stray dog like Lyca. The desire to explore and push boundaries, even if it means taking risks and leaving Earth permanently, is a strong human instinct. While some may see it as a crazy or frivolous pursuit, others see it as an adventure worth taking. Regardless of whether one would personally make the journey, the impact of such a colonization effort would be significant and far-reaching. It's a testament to the human spirit of exploration and the drive to expand our horizons beyond what we thought possible.

    • The Power of Audacious Ideas in Space ExplorationAudacious ideas, like going to the moon, inspire and lead. International collaboration and commitment are crucial in space exploration, and continuous innovation is necessary.

      Audacious and seemingly impossible ideas have the power to inspire and lead. The discussion revolved around the importance of American leadership in space exploration and the potential impact of ambitious projects. Buzz Aldrin expressed his belief that the crazier the idea, the more influence it holds. He used the example of America's past achievements, such as going to the moon, which seemed absurd at the time but ultimately inspired the world. Aldrin also touched upon the potential benefits of international collaboration in space exploration and the importance of following through on commitments. The conversation ended with Aldrin sharing a few audacious space exploration ideas, emphasizing the need for continued innovation and ambition in the field.

    • Exploring Mars: The First Step Beyond Our Solar SystemMars, the closest and most Earth-like planet, is the first challenge for human exploration beyond our solar system. Current technology can't make interstellar travel, but studying gravity waves and potentially habitable moons opens new possibilities.

      Mars serves as a stepping stone for human exploration beyond our solar system. The Red Planet, being the closest and most Earth-like planet, presents the first challenge for us to overcome the difficulties of living in extraterrestrial conditions. The Voyager missions, which provided us with the first close-up views of other planets and their moons, expanded our understanding of the solar system and its potential habitability. However, traveling to other stars remains a challenge, with current technology unable to make the journey in a human lifetime. Gravity waves, a potential solution, are currently being studied, but international competition may pose a challenge. The vastness of space and the limited speed of gravity waves add to the complexity of interstellar travel. Despite these challenges, the discovery of potentially habitable moons, like Io around Jupiter, opens up new possibilities for human exploration.

    • Mission to Mars with Mars' gravityPrivate entrepreneur Dennis Tito plans to send a man and a woman on a mission to loop around Mars and return to Earth using Mars' gravity, potentially with SpaceX's technology.

      While we have a good understanding of what gravity waves are and how they occur naturally, we currently lack the technology and energy to create them artificially. Meanwhile, private entrepreneur Dennis Tito is planning to send a man and a woman on a mission to loop around Mars and return to Earth in 2018, with a budget of $100 million, using potentially SpaceX's technology. The idea is to take advantage of Mars' gravity to bend the flight path back to Earth. Tito also mentioned his preference for an older, romantically compatible couple for the mission due to the radiation risks. This mission, if successful, would be a significant step forward in space exploration.

    • Space travel during solar minimum increases cosmic ray riskDuring solar minimum, cosmic rays pose a greater threat to space travelers, increasing their lifetime risk of cancer. Proper protection and precautions are necessary for long-term missions.

      Space travel comes with significant risks, particularly when it comes to exposure to various types of radiation. The sun, which provides us with light and warmth, also sends out high-energy charged particles called solar flares and solar wind. These particles shield us from more dangerous cosmic rays when the sun is active. However, when the sun is at a minimum of activity, as it will be in 2018, the threat from cosmic rays increases. While solar flare particles can kill us in a matter of days, cosmic rays increase our lifetime risk of cancer. Therefore, sending a mission to Mars without adequate protection during a solar minimum could be risky. Furthermore, the technology to ensure human safety and sustainability for long-term space travel did not exist in the past, and it is essential that we continue to develop it before attempting such missions. Space travel is like climbing Mount Everest, with its own unique risks, and we need to ensure that we have the necessary resources and safety measures in place before embarking on these journeys. Columbus's voyage to the New World was successful despite his lack of knowledge about what he would find, but a mission to Mars without proper preparation could have disastrous consequences.

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