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    Sticky Science: The Force Be With You with Laurie Winkless

    en-usApril 01, 2022

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    • Exploring the Complex World of Surfaces and FrictionFrom gecko feet to smartphones, surfaces and friction play crucial roles in our daily lives and technological advancements. Understanding molecular bonds and their effects on friction can lead to innovations in sports, everyday life, and space exploration.

      The seemingly ordinary surfaces we interact with daily, from smartphones to footwear, involve complex molecular interactions and even replicate natural processes. During this episode of StarTalk, Neil deGrasse Tyson and co-host Chuck Nice explored the intriguing world of surfaces and friction with guests Gary O'Reilly and Laurie Winkless. Gary O'Reilly, a soccer player and announcer, discussed the importance of understanding molecular bonds and friction in various contexts, including sports and everyday life. Laurie Winkless, a science communicator and author, delved into the fascinating world of gecko feet and their hierarchical structure, revealing the secrets behind their remarkable gripping abilities. The discussion touched on various aspects of surface science, including the importance of studying these phenomena for technological advancements and space exploration. By sharing their knowledge and expertise, Gary and Laurie shed light on the wonders of the natural world and the ways we mimic it to solve everyday problems. So the next time you pick up your smartphone or put on your shoes, remember that these seemingly mundane objects involve intricate molecular interactions and natural processes that scientists are still discovering and understanding.

    • Geckos' climbing ability not due to suction cups, but tiny hairsGeckos' tiny hairs called setae increase contact points and utilize Van der Waals interaction for effective adhesion, challenging the belief that suction cups are the primary factor in their climbing ability

      Geckos' ability to climb various surfaces is not due to their flat, suction-cup-like toes covered in flaps of skin, as previously believed. Instead, their tiny hairs called setae, which cover the surface of each lamella, increase the contact points with surfaces on a microscopic level. These hairs can detect and interact with electrons in the atoms of the surface, utilizing a force called the Van der Waals interaction, making it similar to Velcro but on an atomic level and capable of quick detachment. This discovery highlights the importance of considering the microscopic texture of surfaces and increasing contact points for effective adhesion.

    • Gecko's Unique Ability to Control StickinessGeckos can control their stickiness by adjusting toe angles, enabling them to climb walls and ceilings. Researchers have developed gecko tape, mimicking their feet's essential elements, and even used it in space technology.

      Geckos have the unique ability to control their stickiness by changing the angle of their toes, which allows them to turn it on and off as needed. This feature, along with their specialized anatomy, enables them to climb walls and ceilings with ease. Researchers have been inspired by this natural ability and have developed gecko tape, which mimics some of the essential elements of a gecko's feet. Despite the challenges in fully understanding and replicating the gecko's complex structure, this innovation has even found its way into space technology. Ultimately, the gecko's amazing design is a testament to nature's ingenuity and the potential for scientific discovery. However, it's important to note that the gecko's stickiness is not always advantageous in their natural environment. In fact, they can become stuck if they're not careful, and their weight distribution plays a crucial role in their ability to move. Additionally, the testing of their incredible strength has come at a cost, with some geckos sacrificing their lives for scientific progress. Despite these ethical concerns, the gecko's story continues to inspire awe and curiosity, pushing the boundaries of our understanding and technological advancements.

    • New Gecko-Inspired Adhesive TapeScientists created a flexible gecko tape with tiny wedges that grips surfaces without suction or electricity, used for picking up delicate and heavy objects without damage. Explored for tire technology despite water issues.

      Scientists have developed a new type of adhesive tape inspired by the feet of a gecko. Known as "gecko tape," this flexible silicone rubber is covered in tiny wedges that can splay out and grip surfaces without the need for suction or electricity. This technology, which is already being used in space and on Earth, allows for the picking up of both delicate and heavy objects without damaging them. The gecko's feet are naturally hydrophobic, which helps them make dry contact with surfaces even when water is present. While water is an issue for the tape, it performs well and is being explored for applications in various industries, including tire technology.

    • Gecko toes and tribology: A game-changer in racingGecko-inspired adhesives for tires offer potential benefits like improved traction on wet tracks and lighter vehicles, but challenges like fragility and weight need to be addressed in racing applications.

      Gecko toes, a fascinating subject for naturalists, have the potential to revolutionize the world of sports, particularly in the field of automotive racing. The science behind this is tribology, which studies interacting surfaces in motion, including the principles of friction. While rubber tires are still the norm in professional racing, there's growing interest in using gecko-inspired adhesives for tires. However, there are challenges to overcome, such as the fragility of gecko tape and the weight of Formula 1 cars. Nonetheless, the potential benefits, including improved traction on wet tracks and lighter vehicles, make this an intriguing area of research. The application of gecko feet technology in racing could lead to innovations that eventually filter back to commercial vehicles.

    • Formula 1 tires interact closely with the track through friction and Van der Waals forcesFormula 1 tires, made of sticky rubber, degrade intentionally to increase grip and can disperse water with tread patterns, allowing for tire changes during the race based on weather conditions.

      Formula 1 tires, like gecko feet, make intimate contact with the racetrack through a combination of frictional interaction and Van der Waals forces. The tires are made of a specific, sticky rubber compound and have a large surface area that can tap into these forces, especially on smooth tracks. Formula 1 tires are designed to degrade intentionally, leaving rubber on the track to increase grip for the next lap. However, on normal cars, tire degradation is undesirable. When racing in the rain, Formula 1 cars use different tires with tread patterns to disperse water. The tires themselves are hydrophobic but it's the design of the tread patterns that effectively pushes water out of the way. Formula 1 teams manage tire setup based on various weather conditions, including temperature and humidity. Unlike rally racing, Formula 1 allows for tire changes during the race.

    • Formula 1 tires manage water and friction for optimal performanceFormula 1 tires remove water and enhance road interaction using carbon fiber and carbon carbon, striking a balance between friction and speed for optimal performance.

      In Formula 1 racing, tires play a crucial role in managing water and friction to achieve optimal performance. They remove around 5.5 liters of water per second while driving at full speed, using patterns designed to suck up water and push it out the sides. The balance is important - too much friction would slow down the car, but too little would result in poor traction. Materials like carbon carbon, which is carbon fibers in a graphite matrix, are used for their strength and lightweight properties to enhance interaction with the road surface. Carbon fiber and carbon carbon are different forms of carbon, and both have found extensive use in Formula 1 due to their unique properties. The compromise lies in finding the right balance between friction and speed, as too much friction would cause the car to slow down. Formula 1 teams invest heavily in research and development to optimize tire performance and make the most of their budgets, including the use of kinetic energy recovery systems.

    • Regenerative braking in Formula 1Formula 1 uses regenerative braking to convert braking energy into electricity, reducing heat and improving efficiency. This technology has since been adopted in electric vehicles.

      The use of regenerative braking in motorsports, specifically in Formula 1, is an advanced application of capturing and utilizing energy that would otherwise be lost during braking. Instead of converting all the energy into heat through friction, the system generates electricity and stores it for later use in the car. This concept has since been adopted in various forms in the general public, such as electric vehicles, which also use regenerative braking to recharge their batteries. The discussion also touched upon the importance of scientific discoveries and their commercial applications, with an intriguing example of potential research leading to boats that never get wet.

    • Exploring ways to reduce friction in water transportation using natural propertiesResearchers study hydrophobic and hydrophilic properties of plants like Salvinia fern to create coatings for boats, improving fuel efficiency and reducing environmental impact.

      Researchers are exploring ways to reduce friction in water transportation by studying natural hydrophobic and hydrophilic properties, such as those found in the Salvinia fern. This plant, which forms mats on the surface of waterways, has hairs that trap a layer of air, creating a permanent barrier between the water and the leaf. Scientists are attempting to recreate this effect with coatings for boats, aiming to create a stable layer of air around the vessel to reduce friction and improve fuel efficiency. Another example is the use of porous coatings filled with water to prevent other liquids from sticking, as seen in the mayonnaise and ketchup demo. Overall, these discoveries could lead to significant advancements in reducing the environmental impact of water transportation.

    • Understanding surfaces and their interactionsExploring the molecular interactions between surfaces and their environments can lead to optimized performance and functionality, from reducing air resistance in golf balls to creating adhesives inspired by geckos.

      Surfaces and their interactions with various elements, such as air or other materials, significantly impact their behavior and performance. For instance, the dimples on a golf ball reduce air resistance, while ketchup's tendency to stick to the inside of the bottle is a result of surface tension. Similarly, aircraft encounter skin friction as they travel through the air at high speeds, causing heat build-up. In the human realm, scientists have studied geckos' ability to stick to surfaces using microscopic hairs and have applied this knowledge to create adhesives. These examples illustrate the importance of understanding the molecular interactions between surfaces and their environments to optimize performance and functionality.

    • Human and Shark Surface Interactions: Different Reasons, Same CapabilityBoth humans and sharks have unique ways of utilizing surface properties, but the reasons behind these abilities differ. Humans rely on capillary forces due to sweat and water, while sharks have dermal denticles for efficient movement and energy conservation.

      Our bodies have the ability to stick to certain surfaces due to a thin layer of water on our skin, creating a capillary force. This is not a new superpower, but a natural occurrence. Sharks, too, have an impressive ability related to their surfaces – their skin is covered in tiny, three-dimensional structures called dermal denticles that help reduce drag and even actively push water in reverse, propelling the shark forward. While both humans and sharks have unique ways of interacting with their environments through surface properties, the evolutionary reasons behind these abilities differ. For humans, it's a byproduct of sweating and being covered in water. For sharks, it's an adaptation for efficient movement and energy conservation, crucial for their survival.

    • The power of music in creating tension and fearUsing a slow and ominous musical score effectively builds suspense and fear, as demonstrated in the movie 'Jaws'.

      The use of a slow and ominous musical score, such as a cello, in the movie "Jaws," effectively created tension and fear despite the shark not being a fast-moving predator. This discussion arose during an interview with science communicator Laurie Winkless, who also shared insights about her work on books related to science and cities, as well as her current project on the physics of chocolate making. Another key point from the conversation was the importance of interdisciplinary learning and the discovery of hidden connections between seemingly unrelated subjects. Additionally, Laurie mentioned that she is active on Twitter under the handle @Laurie_winkless. Overall, the conversation highlighted the fascinating interplay between science, art, and popular culture.

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