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    Tech-Infused Social Engineering - A conversation with Frank McKenna, Chief Fraud Strategist, PointPredictive

    enMarch 29, 2023

    About this Episode

    In episode 13 of Scam Rangers podcast, we chat with Frank McKenna, a fraud and scam fighter with 30 years of experience. We discuss the use of technology in combination with social engineering tactics to execute online scams, including bots, voice imitation, and deep fakes. Frank emphasizes the need for proactive measures to stop fraudulent transactions, and the importance of being passionate about fraud-fighting. The episode offers valuable insights and advice for both fraud fighters and non-fraud fighters, highlighting the importance of staying informed and vigilant to protect ourselves and our finances from scams.

    Frank on Fraud: https://frankonfraud.com

    ScamRanger: hrrps://scamranger.ai

    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space. 



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    And all the links to my stories from 2021 & today that are related to the issues we discussed:

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    https://www.propublica.org/article/casinos-cambodia-myanmar-laos-southeast-asia-fraud-cybercrime

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    https://www.propublica.org/article/pig-butchering-scams-raided-cambodia-apple-trafficking

    https://www.propublica.org/article/human-traffickers-force-victims-into-cyberscamming

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    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/



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    Resources: 

    Socials:

    • Instagram and TikTok :catchthecatfish123
    • Facebook:@catchthecatfish
    • You Tube: @CatchTheCatfish
    • Instagram:lovesaid_org
    • TikTok:lovesaid.org
    • Facebook: LoveSaid
    • Twitter: LoveSaidOrg
    • TikTok: lovesaid.org

    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/   Also check out https://scamranger.ai if you had received a message that you suspect is a scam


    Additional academic research mentioned in the podcast:

    Dr Elisabeth Carter’s body of work:

    Forensic Linguist and Criminologist

    • Carter, E. (2023) Compelled to comply: Exposing the exploitation of communicative relationships by fraudsters to gain and harness compliance from their victims. The British Journal of Criminology.
    • Carter, E. (2021) Distort, extort, deceive and exploit: Exploring the inner workings of a romance fraud, The British Journal of Criminology 61(2): 283–302.
    • Carter, E. (2015) The anatomy of scam communications: An empirical analysis, Crime, Media, Culture: An International Journal 11(2): 89-103.
    • Carter, E. (2015) Laughing matters: A conversation analytic account of the use of laughter by suspects and officers in the police interview, The Essex Graduate Journal of Sociology 50th Anniversary Special Issue 14(1): 99-113.
    • Carter, E. (2015) A conversation analytic exploration of laughter in the police interview, SAGE Research Methods January 15: 68-85.
    • Carter, E. (2014) When is a lie not a lie? When it's divergent: Examining lies and deceptive responses in a police interview, International Journal of Language and the Law/Linguagem e Direito‏ (1):122-140.


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    2. Kathy's Journey: Learn about Kathy's personal journey and what led her to become an advocate against scammers and a staunch supporter of victims.

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    Resources:

    Advocating Against Romance Scammers: https://advocatingforu.com/ The petition can be found on the website.

    World Romance Scam Awareness Day: https://protectingheartsday.com/

    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/   Also check out https://scamranger.ai if you had received a message that you suspect is a scam

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    Resources:

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    News story on therapist coerced into a scam: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/phone-scam-therapists-16483251.php

    Book: Better with Age: The Psychology of Successful Aging: https://www.amazon.com/Better-Age-Psychology-Successful-Aging/dp/0190279982/

    TEDx Talk How We Learn as We Age: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5jUjOr7G8M
    UCLA Department of Psychology: http://castel.psych.ucla.edu

    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/  

    Also check out https://scamranger.ai if you had received a message that you suspect is a scam

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    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SHUisteamwork/

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/scamhaters.united

    YouTube:  https://www.youtube.com/scamhatersunited

    TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@scamhaters_united_shu

    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/  Also check out https://scamranger.ai if you had received a message that you suspect is a scam

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    Find Ronnie on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronnietokazowski/

    This podcast is hosted by Ayelet Biger-Levin  who spent the last 15 years building technology to help financial institutions authenticate their customers and identify fraud. She believes that when it comes to scams, the story starts well before the transaction. She has created this podcast to talk about the human side of scams, and to learn from people who have decided to dedicate their lives to speaking up on behalf of scam victims and who take action to solve this problem. Be sure to follow her on LinkedIn and reach out to learn about her additional activities in this space.   https://www.linkedin.com/in/ayelet-biger-levin/  Also check out https://scamranger.ai if you had received a message that you suspect is a scam