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    Thanatology — NEW Interview (GRIEF & MOURNING) with Cole Imperi + tips for Going Through It

    en-usAugust 16, 2022

    Podcast Summary

    • Finding comfort in shared experiences during griefDuring difficult times, connecting with loved ones and cherished memories can provide comfort and healing. Shared experiences and activities can strengthen friendships and help cope with loss.

      During difficult times, connecting with loved ones and cherished memories can provide comfort and healing. This was highlighted in a conversation between Ally Ward and her friend Cole Imperi, following the passing of Ally's father. Despite the sadness, they found solace in shared experiences and activities, such as riding motorcycles and playing pickleball. This connection not only helped Ally cope with her grief but also strengthened their friendship. Additionally, Cole shared insights on the grieving process and provided tips for dealing with loss, which Ally plans to share in an upcoming episode. Ultimately, the experience underscores the importance of leaning on loved ones and cherishing memories during challenging times.

    • Friendship and Life's Unexpected TurnsTwo friends met in 2017, experienced significant life changes, and continued to inspire each other, highlighting the power of connections and the unpredictability of life

      Life can take unexpected turns, leading to new opportunities and experiences. Cole and her friend, who first met in 2017, have both experienced significant changes in their lives since then. Cole moved to Los Angeles, founded a school, wrote a book, and even appeared on Netflix. Her friend, meanwhile, got a fellowship, wrote curriculum, and is now writing a book for children about grief. These changes came about through various circumstances, including the pandemic and personal reflections. The friend's move to Los Angeles was even prompted by Cole's wedding. Additionally, their friendship has provided support during challenging times, such as when Cole's father passed away. Through it all, they have continued to inspire and influence each other, demonstrating the power of connections and the unexpected twists and turns that life can bring.

    • Grieving is a complex and evolving relationship with the deceasedGrieving continues to influence and shape us, memories bring a mix of joy and sadness, ask about specific grief, everyone's process is unique, and moments of levity can help cope.

      Grieving involves a complex and evolving relationship with the person who has passed away. This relationship continues to influence and shape our experiences, even as we grow and develop new memories. The anticipatory grief and the grief itself can be a rollercoaster of emotions, and it's important to be patient and compassionate with oneself during this process. The continuing bonds theory explains that our relationships don't end with death, but rather, they continue to change and evolve. This means that as we go through life's milestones, we will remember our loved ones in different ways, and these memories can bring a mix of joy and sadness. So, when checking in on someone who is grieving, it's essential to ask about their grief specifically, rather than making assumptions about their emotional state based on the passage of time. Lastly, even in the midst of great loss, there can be moments of levity and humor that help us cope. The stages of grief, as described by Elizabeth Kubler Ross, are not linear, and it's essential to remember that everyone's grieving process is unique.

    • Understanding the Complexity of GriefGrief is a non-linear process with stages that can occur in different orders and may recur. Everyone experiences it differently, and it's essential to allow oneself to feel emotions fully. Grief is a response to loss and manifests in various ways. Healing takes time, and everyone grieves differently.

      The grieving process is not linear and consists of various stages that can erupt unexpectedly. These stages, which include denial, anger, sadness, and acceptance, can occur in different orders and may recur. It's essential to understand that everyone experiences grief differently, and it's important to allow oneself to feel the emotions fully. Another crucial point is that grief is not an emotion itself but a response to loss, and it manifests in various ways, including cognitive, behavioral, emotional, physical, social, and spiritual symptoms. It's essential to remember that a flourish always follows a falter, and it takes time to heal and get back into the flow of life after a loss. Lastly, it's important to remember that everyone grieves differently, and there's no right or wrong way to do it. The key is to be patient and compassionate with oneself during this process.

    • Understanding the Physical and Emotional Aspects of GriefGrief is a complex response to loss, affecting the body and emotions differently for everyone. Allow yourself to feel and express it in healthy ways, and seek additional support if needed.

      Grief is more than just an emotional experience. It's a whole body response to loss that can manifest physically, such as dry lips or bloating, and emotionally, including a lack of tears or anger. Everyone experiences grief differently, and it's important to give it the care it needs, whether that's through taking it for a walk, having a nice bath, or seeking additional support from a therapist if needed within the first six months of a major loss. Remember, it's okay to be a "little bit of a shit show" during this time, and to keep your grief moving so it can transform and help you flourish in the future. Anger is a common facet of grief that can come out sideways, but it's important to acknowledge and process these feelings as part of the grieving process.

    • Anger as a helpful signal during griefAnger is a natural response during grief, recognizing it can help us cope and support others, a thoughtful message can make a big difference, and treating everyone with compassion is crucial during difficult times.

      Anger, while often seen as destructive, can serve as a helpful signal that something is wrong. This is especially true during times of grief, when anger may surface due to the loss of a loved one or the resurfacing of past emotions. It's important to recognize that anger is a natural response and not something to be ashamed of. Additionally, supporting someone who is grieving can be tricky, but simply sending a thoughtful text message can go a long way. It's also important to remember that there are many people grieving, both directly and indirectly, due to events like the COVID-19 pandemic. Therefore, treating everyone with compassion and understanding can help us navigate difficult situations and connect with others in meaningful ways.

    • Finding meaning and connection during lossCreating personal rituals, connecting with nature, and building a support system can help navigate grief and find meaning during times of loss.

      During times of loss, finding meaning and connection is crucial for personal growth and healing. This can come from various sources, such as personal rituals, nature, or community. Cole's story of grieving her beloved pet, Ruby, demonstrates this through the creation and significance of daisy chain necklaces, which helped her navigate her grief and find meaning in the symbol of the daisy. Additionally, building a support system through community, like sharing the loss with others and inviting them to light candles for Ruby, can also contribute to the healing process. So, holding on to what brings meaning and connection during times of loss can provide comfort and strength throughout the grieving process.

    • Sharing memories and social support during griefSeeing how a person's life touched others can help those grieving feel less alone. Simple acts like sharing stories or pictures serve as 'grief medicine'. Giving grace during the grieving process is crucial, as everyone experiences grief differently.

      Social support and sharing memories can be powerful sources of comfort and healing during times of grief. Whether it's through social media or in-person interactions, seeing how much a person's life touched others can help those left behind feel less alone and more connected. Simple acts, like sharing stories or pictures, can serve as "grief medicine," providing comfort and validation during difficult times. Additionally, giving oneself and others grace during the grieving process is crucial, as perfection is not required and everyone experiences grief differently. Ultimately, grief can reveal who truly cares and supports us, and it can be healing to help others navigate their own grief experiences.

    • Finding comfort in friendship and connection during difficult timesSeek support, cherish the good days, and look up anticipatory grief during difficult times. Practically, use handkerchiefs instead of Kleenexes.

      Friendship and connection can bring meaning and comfort during difficult times. The speaker expresses gratitude for the friends who have supported her through the loss of her father and the creation of her podcast, Ologies. She encourages those going through the process of anticipatory grief or dealing with someone's death to take things moment by moment, seek support, and look up anticipatory grief for understanding. The speaker also emphasizes the importance of living in the moment and cherishing the good days, while acknowledging the ups and downs of life. Additionally, she encourages using handkerchiefs instead of Kleenexes for practical reasons.

    • Exploring resources during difficult timesHandkerchiefs, grief counseling, remote work, memory preservation, documentaries, and respecting privacy are valuable resources during challenging times.

      During difficult times, such as caring for a loved one in hospice, it's important to explore all available resources. Handkerchiefs, for instance, can be more absorbent and personal than tissues for dealing with tears. Grief counseling, which can be obtained through various means like work, health insurance, universities, community programs, or hospice, can provide valuable support. If working remotely is an option, it can allow for more time with a sick family member. Videos and voice recordings can help preserve memories of a loved one. Documentaries, like "Being Mortal," and book series, like the "End of Life Guideline Series," can provide valuable insights and preparation for the end of life process. Lastly, respecting a dying person's wishes for privacy is crucial.

    • Loving someone through challenging timesEngage in hobbies, self-care, seek support, and communicate during difficult times to alleviate stress and provide comfort.

      Caring for a loved one during their final moments or grieving their passing can be an emotional and challenging experience. Some people may feel guilt or disappointment if they miss a significant moment due to circumstances beyond their control. It's essential to remember that these feelings are not random and that everyone is doing their best during these difficult times. Engaging in tactile hobbies, taking care of oneself, and seeking support from friends and loved ones can help alleviate stress and provide comfort. Additionally, being with a caring and understanding partner can make all the difference during these challenging times. It's important to communicate with friends if additional support is needed and to remember that everyone reacts to grief differently. Ultimately, showing up and loving someone through the hard times is what truly matters.

    • Empathy, Preparation, and Community during Times of LossEmpathize with friends during loss, be patient and understanding, appreciate supportive friends, make funeral arrangements ahead of time, volunteer to support grieving families, and have a will and trust to ensure wishes are carried out.

      Going through a loss or grieving process can be a challenging experience, but it also presents an opportunity to grow and become a supportive friend to others. The speaker shared how she had friends who would call her crying about their own fears of losing a loved one, while she was dealing with her own grief. She emphasized that it's essential to be patient and understanding with friends who may not know how to handle the situation, but to also appreciate the friends who show up and offer support. The speaker also encouraged making funeral arrangements ahead of time as a thoughtful gesture for loved ones. Additionally, she highlighted the importance of volunteer work, such as joining an honor guard, to help families honor their loved ones in meaningful ways. Lastly, she reminded the importance of having a will and trust to ensure one's wishes are carried out after passing. Overall, the speaker's experience underscores the importance of empathy, preparation, and community during times of loss.

    • Preparing for end of life: Wills, symbols, and open-casket funeralsCreating a will and trust simplifies the process for loved ones. Incorporating meaningful symbols into funerals or memorials can provide comfort. Open-casket funerals can aid in closure and should not be avoided due to discomfort.

      Preparing for the end of life is important and can bring comfort to loved ones. Creating a will and trust helps avoid probate and simplifies the process for relatives. Finding meaningful symbols and incorporating them into funerals or memorials can provide solace and serve as a reminder of the deceased. The speaker shared a personal experience of discovering a tomato plant, which became a symbol for her father at his funeral. She also emphasized the importance of open-casket funerals and encouraged overcoming any fear or discomfort associated with them. The use of symbols and creating a memory book were also suggested as helpful ways to honor and remember loved ones. Additionally, the speaker mentioned that humans have historically found comfort in viewing their deceased loved ones before burials, which can aid in closure.

    • Creating comforting mementos and staying connected during griefUsing technology, traditional methods, seeking support, and writing a eulogy can help bring comfort and healing during grief.

      Creating meaningful mementos and staying connected with loved ones during challenging times can bring comfort and healing. This can include using technology like digital frames or traditional methods like printed books or blankets. Additionally, seeking support from resources like grief counseling or sponsors like AURA Frames can be helpful. It's important to remember that everyone grieves differently, and supporting the loved one's partner or spouse is crucial. Funeral homes and obituaries can also be sources of stress, but asking for help and being open to new experiences can lead to positive outcomes. Lastly, writing a eulogy or obituary can be a difficult task, but acknowledging the effort and offering constructive feedback can make the process easier.

    • Cherishing Moments and PeopleLive life to the fullest with love and adventures, cherish moments and people, and remember that nothing is permanent.

      Life is a journey filled with adventures and connections, and it's important to cherish the moments and the people we have while we can. The speaker shares a personal story about her father, who instilled in her the idea of living life to the fullest and having adventures. Even in grief, she finds joy in small moments and imagines her father's presence in unexpected places. The speaker encourages listeners to live their lives with love and adventure, and to remember that nothing is permanent. She expresses gratitude for the people who have supported her and the Ologies podcast throughout the years. Ultimately, she encourages listeners to live a life of love and have an "easy exit," leaving a positive impact on the world.

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