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    The $20 Billion Deal To Get Indonesia Off Coal

    en-usMarch 07, 2023

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    • Indonesia's Green Industrial Park Contradiction: Coal Power During TransitionIndonesia's green industrial park relies on coal power during the transition to renewable energy, contradicting its commitment to phase out coal power and raising concerns about fund misallocation.

      While Indonesia is making strides towards building a green industrial park for the production of renewable energy goods, there is a contradiction as the park is currently relying on coal power during the transition period. This contradiction raises concerns within Indonesia, as the country receives funding from the US to phase out coal power, but continues to build new coal plants. Anissa Suhasono, an energy analyst in Jakarta, questions the logic behind this situation. The Indonesian government plans to build hydro power and solar energy in the future, but for now, coal power is being used. This inconsistency has sparked discussions about the true intentions of the climate deal and the potential for misallocation of funds.

    • Indonesia's coal transition: A test case for Just Energy Transition PartnershipsIndonesia's progress in transitioning away from coal under JETPs is crucial as numerous similar partnerships are being planned, but a significant increase in their number is needed to effectively reduce global coal usage.

      Indonesia's efforts to transition away from coal while still building new coal plants serves as a significant test case for developing nations receiving large sums of money to abandon coal production. This is part of a larger initiative called Just Energy Transition Partnerships (JETPs), where industrialized countries help developing nations deal with climate change. The importance of Indonesia's progress lies in the fact that numerous JETPs are in the works, including in South Africa, Vietnam, and potentially India. However, the current pace of these partnerships may not be fast enough to significantly reduce global coal usage. Camilla Fenning from the climate and energy research group e3g emphasizes the need for a substantial increase in the number of JETPs to effectively address the issue on a larger scale.

    • Indonesia Offers $20 Billion to Retire Coal Plants Early and Invest in RenewablesIndonesia plans to offer $20B to retire coal plants early and invest in renewables, but concerns include a loophole in a recent regulation, lack of transparency, and financial strain due to the pandemic

      Indonesia, the world's largest exporter of coal for electricity, is exploring a potential solution to shift away from coal by offering $20 billion to retire coal plants early and invest in renewable energy. This move comes after the country signed long-term contracts for coal plants based on optimistic growth projections that didn't materialize due to the pandemic. Deputy Minister Kai Mudin suggests that the funds could help Indonesia pay to shut down coal plants ahead of schedule and make room for renewables. However, there are concerns regarding the deal, including a loophole in a recent regulation that allows for the continuation of new coal plants that are already in the pipeline or attached to national projects. This could limit the effectiveness of Indonesia's efforts to reduce coal usage and transition to renewable energy. Another red flag is the lack of transparency regarding the details of the deal, and the third concern is the potential financial strain caused by the pandemic that may make it difficult for Indonesia to afford the early retirement of coal plants.

    • Indonesia's commitment to green transition faces challengesCoal power plans, coal subsidies, and political elite interests hinder Indonesia's renewable energy growth and climate goals

      Indonesia's commitment to the green transition may be hindered by several challenges. First, the country's plans to build coal power plants go against the International Energy Agency's recommendation of no new development of unabated coal power plants to keep global warming below 1.5 degrees Celsius. Second, renewable energy targets in Indonesia face challenges due to coal subsidies that keep coal prices low and make it difficult for renewables to compete. Lastly, political elite interests in coal may hinder the transition to renewable energy sources. The presence of coal billionaires and government ministers involved in coal projects could potentially prioritize coal over renewables. These red flags highlight the need for more concrete actions and policies to support the growth of renewable energy in Indonesia and ensure the country stays on track with its climate goals.

    • Indonesia's decarbonization efforts and potential conflicts of interestCritics urge international banks to halt funding for new coal projects in Indonesia to support the country's transition away from coal and address potential conflicts of interest.

      While Indonesia is making strides towards decarbonization with the help of international partners, there are concerns about potential conflicts of interest due to some key players involved in the process having coal assets. The Indonesian government has emphasized transparency and accountability, but critics are pushing for more details and involvement of local stakeholders. A powerful message from these critics is for international banks to stop funding new coal projects to send a clear signal that the international community is committed to helping Indonesia move away from coal. The deal is not yet finalized, leaving room for these concerns to be addressed.

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