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    His mom once told him, “you can say anything in the world to me as long as you frame it properly”. Since then, DeJuan Brown has crafted that wisdom into his greatest tool in navigating challenge, community, and leadership. Now, as the Senior Director of Global Sales at Seismic and an active member of Sales for the Culture, DeJuan strives to empower others with the skills to communicate the attributes from life experiences on a resume and utilize storytelling to convey a message effectively. The clarity and emotional influence following a good story is powerful in any room.

    Want to link with DeJuan Brown? Find him on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/dejuanbrown, and don't forget to revisit episode one to hear from Ed Calnan, Seismic's Co-Founder and CRO.

    And I’d like to give a big thanks to Allego for sponsoring this episode. Interested in recording your best content and organizing it in one place to help improve sales performance for everyone? Allego can do this and much more. Email me at webb@thejaydavidgroup.com, so I can personally introduce you to someone at Allego who will take great care of you.

    Over Quota is also sponsored by the j. David Group, a software sales recruiting firm. If you're looking to hire a sales leader or individual contributor, click here. to schedule a call. On the other hand, if you're an overachieving sales leader or sales rep, click here to discuss potential opportunities that would be a good fit for you.

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    Compensation and Independence in Fiduciary Boards (00:18:43) Insight into the compensation, independence, and trust aspects of fiduciary boards, emphasizing the importance of high trust and independence.

    The difference between advisory and governing board (00:22:08) Discussion on the difference between advisory and governing boards, including liability and insurance.

    Function of the governing board (00:25:31) Exploration of the role and expectations of governing board members in advising and impacting the company.

    Types of directors (00:30:34) Explanation of the differences between independent directors, executive directors, and non-executive directors.

    Word of mouth growth and backroom investment club (00:32:28) How the platform grows through word of mouth and the role of the backroom investment club in connecting companies and board candidates.

    The importance of diversity and the link between boardrooms and cap tables (00:35:50) Discussion on the significance of diversity in boardrooms and the connection between board service and equity investment.

    Rapid fire five and bonus question (00:38:54) A series of quick questions and answers, along with a bonus question about a personal fact not found on LinkedIn.

    Reaching out to The Fourth Effect (43:43) Breen shares how to contact The Fourth Effect and invites listeners to visit their website.

    Corporate Partnerships and Professional Development (46:06) Breen discusses opportunities for corporations to support women's memberships and professional development at The Fourth Effect.

    The Goats of Growth
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