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    The bad news may soon be over for UK small caps

    enJanuary 06, 2023

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    • UK's tax take and inflation challengesThe UK faces difficulties in increasing taxes or reducing inflation due to societal behavior and historical trends, despite Chancellor Rishi Sunak's promises.

      Despite promises from the UK's Chancellor Rishi Sunak to address issues like taxation and inflation, the reality is that societal behavior and historical trends make it challenging for the UK to significantly increase its tax take or bring inflation down to desired levels. Solea Mohsen and John discuss this in the latest episode of The Big Take DC, where they delve into the intersection of money, politics, and power shaping government and its impact on voters. Listeners can tune in every Thursday on the Iheartradio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever they get their podcasts for in-depth analysis and understanding of global economic news.

    • UK PM's promise to bring inflation down relies on external factorsExpectations of falling house prices due to rising interest rates and real yields reaching 0% could lead to a 31% decrease

      The UK Prime Minister's promise to bring inflation down to 2% is an easy one to keep, as it's largely out of his control and depends on external factors such as the economy and the Bank of England's actions. House prices, another topic discussed, are also expected to fall significantly due to rising interest rates and the repricing of assets. Real yields, which are a more important factor in determining house prices, have already reached 0%, and based on past research, this could lead to a 31% decrease in house prices. Despite expectations of a potential economic recovery, the UK economy may still face a significant downturn due to the wholesale repricing of assets, including the housing market.

    • UK Economy vs UK Asset PricesDespite the UK economy's tough year, asset prices, especially equities, may not follow suit. Asset returns are driven by interest rates and beginning prices, not GDP growth.

      While the UK economy may have had a tough year, it does not necessarily mean that UK asset prices, particularly equities, will follow suit. GDP growth or decline is not correlated with asset market returns. Instead, asset market returns are correlated to interest rates and the prices at which they begin each year. Even though the UK has been the most hated market according to the Bank of America Global Fund Manager Index, there is still potential for contrarian trades due to the massive amount of room for sentiment to change. Despite the UK being one of the worst performing global asset classes last year, there are opportunities in UK smaller companies, especially in energy stocks and value names. However, the markets are still reeling from the effects of the pandemic and the massive fiscal response to it, leading to loose monetary conditions, inflation, and rising interest rates, which hit small and mid cap indices hard. Looking back, some of the actions taken during the pandemic now seem "crazy," but the effects are only beginning to be felt.

    • Global Response to COVID-19 and InflationThe global response to the COVID-19 pandemic through massive fiscal stimulus and money printing has led to learning gaps, healthcare issues, and potential inflation. Central banks, which dismissed inflation warnings, now face overreaction risks. Geopolitical tensions and the pandemic are expected to cause long-term inflationary impacts.

      The global response to the COVID-19 pandemic, including massive fiscal stimulus and money printing by governments and central banks, has led to a great deal of uncertainty and potential long-term issues. While the intentions were to protect lives and businesses at the time, the consequences have included huge learning gaps in education, problems in healthcare systems, and inflation. Central banks, which had dismissed warnings about inflation, now face the risk of overreacting. Some commentators argue that the situation could have been mitigated if central banks had taken heed of the voices warning about the potential consequences of their actions. The ongoing tensions between the West and China, as well as the ongoing pandemic and geopolitical issues like the invasion of Ukraine, are expected to have significant long-term inflationary impacts as companies reconsider their reliance on Chinese supply chains.

    • Reshoring Trend: Bringing Production HomeOver the next five years, there's a significant trend towards reshoring supply chains due to reliability concerns and distrust of some regimes. UK small caps with niche expertise and top talent can benefit.

      Over the next five years, there will be a significant trend towards reshoring or "friend shoring" supply chains, as countries look to bring back production and manufacturing from overseas. This shift is driven by a need for more reliable sources and a growing distrust of some autocratic regimes. For investors, this trend could benefit companies, particularly small caps in the UK, that can exploit niches and have the right talent on board. However, the process of bringing production home is complex, and there are challenges to overcome, such as finding and keeping the right people. Despite these challenges, the UK's strengths in areas like life sciences and the financial sector give it an edge in this new economic landscape. Overall, this trend towards reshoring could lead to long-term benefits, but it will require a focus on building strong, asset-light businesses and attracting top talent.

    • Considering asset-heavy sectors for diversificationInvesting in asset-light companies can be attractive, but diversification is key. Considering asset-heavy sectors, like energy, for a balanced portfolio is a suggestion.

      While investing in asset-light companies with strong human capital can be attractive, it's important to consider diversification and the potential risks of being overly reliant on certain sectors. The speakers suggest that looking into asset-heavy sectors, such as energy, could be a consideration for a more balanced portfolio. They also mention that as an economy, we are becoming more services-oriented and attracting the right talent to these sectors. However, the UK-specific discussion touches on the UK housing market and its potential impact on the economy. Despite concerns about liquidity issues and potential house price falls, the speakers believe that the UK housing market is in a better position than during the late 1980s and early 1990s, thanks to low unemployment and a high proportion of fixed-rate mortgages. Additionally, they highlight that employment is a key indicator for consumer confidence and the health of companies like Next. While some banks are assuming a potential correction in house prices, they feel well-prepared for it with strong balance sheets and cash-generative back books.

    • Identifying resilient companies in uncertain timesStay informed about economic developments and identify nimble, interesting stocks in all sectors for potential growth during uncertain times, despite potential housing market correction. Be wary of misleading economic indicators.

      Even in uncertain economic times, it's essential to identify resilient companies with superior services, pricing, or products that can gain market share and come out strong. This was discussed in relation to the housing market, where there's a risk of a correction, but nimble and interesting stocks that prevail during such times can potentially thrive. The importance of identifying such companies was emphasized, even in sectors that aren't growing much. Additionally, there were concerns about the validity of certain economic indicators, such as housing paperwork, which could potentially mask underlying issues. Overall, it's crucial to stay informed about economic developments and their implications while maintaining a long-term perspective.

    • UK stocks seen as undervalued amid US tech sell-offDespite US tech stocks' price drop, UK equities, especially smaller companies, are considered undervalued. Strong, balanced companies are being targeted by buyers, encouraging long-term investment potential.

      While the falling prices of tech stocks in the US might make them seem cheap, it doesn't necessarily mean they are. In contrast, the UK market presents a different story with many stocks being considered undervalued. This is evident in the increasing number of bids for UK equities, particularly smaller companies, from both corporate and private equity buyers. Companies with strong balance sheets and good opportunities are the ones being targeted. The UK market's vulnerability to bids could encourage equity investors, both in the UK and abroad, to see the value and buy shares. However, some fund managers may sell due to liquidity needs, leading to pressure on certain stocks. Despite the outflows and short-term cautiousness, the long-term potential of small cap investing offers better returns.

    • UK market presents opportunities for retail investors in smaller companiesDespite challenges, UK's smaller companies sector is undervalued and may become more attractive as inflation concerns ease and equity outflows peak. Two potential catalysts are reduced equity outflows and increased M&A activity. Favorites in the portfolio include OSB and Crane Ware.

      The UK market, despite its current challenges, presents opportunities for retail investors due to its undervaluation in the smaller companies sector. The bear market drawdowns in smaller companies are unusual and tend not to last more than a year, indicating that these companies may become more attractive as inflation concerns ease and equity outflows peak. Two potential catalysts for this shift could be a reduction in equity outflows and increased mergers and acquisitions activity. OSB and Crane Ware are two stocks in the portfolio that are considered favorites due to their low valuations, strong management, and profitable cash generative businesses. While the UK market faces risks, the current undervaluation may make it an attractive investment opportunity for those willing to wait for the catalysts to materialize.

    • Software solutions for complex industries: Craneware in healthcare and Traxxas in rail transportCraneware and Traxxas enhance industry efficiency by reducing administrative inefficiencies in healthcare and improving operational performance in rail transport through software solutions. They have grown through acquisitions and weathered challenges, demonstrating their value and ability to save money.

      Craneware and Traxxas are two companies providing software solutions to complex industries, US healthcare and UK rail transport, respectively. Craneware helps hospitals and healthcare providers navigate the intricacies of billing and insurance companies, ensuring accurate coding and reducing administrative inefficiencies. Traxxas focuses on the rail sector, improving operational performance through software for timetabling, staff rostering, and remote condition monitoring. Both companies have grown through acquisitions and offer significant value to their industries by increasing efficiency and reducing costs. Despite challenges such as strikes and pandemics, they have demonstrated their ability to help their clients operate more effectively and save money. Craneware's debt is expected to reduce rapidly, and Traxxas' remote condition monitoring technology has proven to be effective despite union resistance. These companies are well-positioned to continue providing valuable services to their industries.

    • Traxxas: A Highly Valued Rail Software Company Expanding in the US MarketTraxxas, a profitable rail software company with a strong balance sheet, is expanding into the larger US rail sector through an acquisition, despite its high valuation. Free cash flow yield of 4.8% and sales rebound make it an attractive investment with potential for further growth.

      Traxxas, a well-run rail software company with a strong balance sheet and a commitment to growth in the rail industry, is an interesting investment opportunity despite its high valuation. The company, which delivers critical software for rail operating companies and has few competitors, is expanding into the more complicated and larger US rail sector through an acquisition of Railcom. Although the price-earnings ratio is high at 27 times, the free cash flow yield is 4.8%, and sales have rebounded strongly after a difficult year. The company has a smaller, non-core division in events management, and there may be opportunities for further value creation through acquisitions or a management buyout. Traxxas is not a cheap company, but its exceptional market position and underpinned value make it an attractive investment with low risks of downgrade.

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