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    The Future of Insurance – Raghav Jaggi, Global Head - P&C Insurance, EXL

    enMarch 01, 2022
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    About this Episode

    Raghav leads the P&C business globally for EXL, including all aspects of strategy and growth, sales and account management, products and solutions, and service delivery for a global workforce of over 9,000 professionals. Since taking over this role in 2018, Raghav has transformed the business to a $250M+ powerhouse and established EXL as the unparalleled leader on the back of an innovative, solution-led go-to-market strategy coupled with an obsessive focus on customer experience and net promoter scores.

    Under Raghav’s leadership, EXL P&C Insurance has been ranked consistently as #1 and a Star Performer by research firm Everest in their Global Provider Peak Matrix Rankings in 2020 and 2021. He has expanded the business to 25+ global markets and pivoted the business to be a strategic digital transformation partner to the insurance industry, including 7 of the top 10 US insurers and the largest global broker. He is an active contributor, thought leader and speaker at industry events and conferences.

    Prior to his current role, Raghav was the Global Lead Partner for EXL’s strategic accounts and co-head for EXL's Insurance Transformation business. He has extensive experience of implementing and managing strategic client engagements. He is a dynamic leader with over 20 years of experience. Raghav has a Bachelors degree in Economics from St. Stephen’s College, University of Delhi, and has attended the Advanced Management Program at Kellogg School of Management, Northwestern University.

    Highlights from the Show

    • Raghav runs the Global Insurance practice for EXL, which he's been with for over 19 years
    • EXL is seeing so many changes on the back of the pandemic across so many carriers, by at least three years in Raghav's eyes
    • The focus has been on digitization and CX, especially
    • Innovation has been held back in the insurance industry for a very long time, with some carriers choosing to create innovative units, and they have been best positioned to change
    • 60-70% of the disruption in the industry has been focused on Personal Lines and distribution
    • When this can be done as a science rather than an art – more use of tech, of advanced models, in using AI in decision making and processing
    • Think about an organization that is hyper-connected with customer experience at its core, without silos between the major functions, product lines and operations that can leverage real-time data and insights, predictive and prescriptive
    • As an example from a Workers Compensation claims payment:
      • Can an AI or ML algorithm look across claims that informs loss control when it sees patterns to try to stop those claims from occurring in the future by changing behaviors and practices
      • This insight comes from being hyper-connected at the scale of minute data, in real-time
    • This creates fluidity of insurance – we have all of these different insurance policies, but as a customer, we'd really just prefer to have everything embedded in our life providing the right coverage in the right place without worrying about which policy is at play when or how
    • The use of data in a seamless fashion will mean the traditional insurance hubs of Hartford or London will see competition from new places like Singapore and Hong Kong, driven by how data is being utilized
    • Whether from the inside or outside, to spot where disruption will come from, you have to reimagine Insurance with the customer at the core in a way we have never done before
    • Right now, the innovation is happening in small slices, but the money is coming in and data is being utilized in a way that we may get the Uber or Amazon level of disruption that brings about fluidity of insurance
    • Soft markets push us to look at efficiency, but also to ensure we align intensity with severity
    • With the vision Raghav has for fluidity of insurance, there is no way to make that a reality with any systems or structures today, so it will take totally rethinking the approach to insurance, which may take a push from big tech to enable
    • With the constraints the industry faces, this future may be very hard to realize, so we need to be aware of our constraints while thinking about what could be enabled if they were removed
    • But these constraints are usually self-imposed, and to customers, the ways we divide the business don't matter; insurance is insurance to them and the divisions we impose between products, Personal and Commercial, Underwriting and Claims, are just annoyances; they just want to be served, and we need to rethink that structure
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    This episode is brought to you by EXL (exlservice.com). And by the the book series, The Future of Insurance: From Disruption to Evolution by Bryan Falchuk (future-of-insurance.com).

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    The Future of Insurance – Tomer Kashi, Co-Founder & CEO, Voom

    The Future of Insurance – Tomer Kashi, Co-Founder & CEO, Voom

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    Before VOOM, Tomer spearheaded award-winning, interdisciplinary technological projects in the Israeli Prime Minister's Office cyber unit. Tomer is a graduate of Israel’s elite technology program “Talpiot”, and holds an MBA from Tel Aviv and a BSc in computer science and physics from the Hebrew University.

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      • Voom is focused on mobility insurance, like motorcycle, ride-sharing solutions and other auto and mobility related insurance products
    • The strategy has been to identify a specific category, look at what would be needed to truly delight customers and serve their needs, and try to deliver that, which they've used to go into several spaces beyond their initial drone product
    • One example is how they've address motorcycle coverage
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    Highlights from the Show

    • Sola Insurance is a new class of financial insurance products that helps homeowners cover their deductible and immediate expenses after natural disaster events
    • Sola is developing new products that pay period faster and more transparently so they can get back on their feet
      • Right after a disaster, there's an immediate need for assistance while you wait for a traditional claim to get handled (even if it's handled quickly)
      • Deductibles have increased across many lines of insurance, with homeowners choosing $2,500 deductibles twice as frequently just over four years ago, which is more than most Americans have saved for emergencies
        • Many homeowners policies or coverages within them have significantly higher deductibles, like for wind or quake
        • The pressure to increase deductibles is only getting worse, as discussed in this WSJ article we mentioned
    • The cost of capital and providing insurance for carriers is going up, with 30% increases in reinsurance
    • The initial product is a Tornado parametric coverage, which is the first time a startup has launched an admitted parametric product
      • They have capacity from Beazley and fronting from Spinnaker
      • They've just had their first two claims after the Hendersonville tornado outside of Nashville, Tennessee, and paid both within 60 hours of the tornado touching down
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    • Their next priority is Wind & Hail, which is segmented out on traditional HO policies and is a frequent cause of loss
    • Wesley started Sola in the Global Insurance Accelerator in 2021 and is young, along with his co-founders, and they haven't let that stop them or slow them down in an industry where tenure and tradition continue to carry weight
      • Wesley credits a two things with their success despite their age:
        • An innate sense of curiosity, which helped him to really get into the issues at hand and stay open to learning
        • People can't deny the work that you've done, so the team has ensured they keep delivering and proving themselves, balancing the need to spend time building relationships with delivering tangible milestones and results

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    The Future of Insurance – Kobi Bendelak, CEO, InsurTech Israel

    The Future of Insurance – Kobi Bendelak, CEO, InsurTech Israel

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    Highlights from the Show

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      • Investment
      • Business Development
      • Exposure
      • Accelerator
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    • They work across the entire value chain and space in insurance
    • Insurance works on trust, so their core mission is really to help build trust in companies in the ecosystem there
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    The Future of Insurance – Bobby Touran, Co-Founder & CEO, Rainbow

    The Future of Insurance – Bobby Touran, Co-Founder & CEO, Rainbow

    Bobby Touran is the CEO and co-founder of Rainbow. He is a founder, CEO and operator with over 15 years of experience in insurance and software development, having previously founded Pathpoint, a digital insurance brokerage focused on retail agents and their E&S risk. Follow him on LinkedIn.

    Highlights from the Show

    • Bobby is an entrepreneur, with the second half of his career being focused on insurance, including starting a digital E&S exchange, and now co-founding an MGA called Rainbow
    • Rainbow is an MGA focused on specific niches or verticals in small commercial, using that focus to enable better underwriting and service to the space
    • Their initial focus is on providing BOP to restaurants, which they view as an area that will always need coverage and is going through dislocation today as some traditional players have pulled back
      • They can connect third party datasets that are super-specific to a vertical for better understanding of the risk and not just to enable faster application completion time or quote turnaround
      • They also have expert underwriters who really understand the vertical rather than looking to automate underwriting out of the equation
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      • Their relationships with agents and brokers and the underlying platform they've built should allow them to scale and expand efficiently without having to build it all from scratch with each new vertical
      • The focus on a handful of codes for a given vertical helps them stay focused and clear on what they do (and don't do), and the systems, processes and skills needed to support their business
      • They've also built their platform with modularity but also in-house so they aren't beholden to constraints of other systems or vendors
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      • Their system has their risk selection built in from the start so they can weed out risks they aren't positioned to underwrite quickly and early for their agents, and the criteria can be very nuanced, specific and inter-connected
      • They have access to deep data on their vertical, and keep eyes on it over the life of a risk so they can get a truer picture of risk early and often
      • They have experienced human underwriters, who not only look at the risks, but also provide differentiated service to their agents and brokers which is something their distribution partners call out specifically as a reason they like working with Rainbow
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    • When some in the market run away from a space that needs to be served, Bobby sees a moment of opportunity to see if a better approach can be deployed to then successfully and profitably seize on that market dislocation

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    The Future of Insurance – Adrian Jones, InsurTech Investor

    The Future of Insurance – Adrian Jones, InsurTech Investor

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    Highlights from the Show

    • Adrian started in consulting, then worked in reinsurance and venture investing
    • He has been looking at the headcount in the InsurTech sector starting with data from mid-2020, and saw that employment has increased from about 75,000 to over 100,000
      • In the downturn, there was a retrenchment, with companies reducing staff by 31% on average, with the bulk of that being driven by mid-sized companies (200-1000 employees)
      • There's been a lot of movement recently, between startups and incumbents, and people from outside the industry coming into it (and vice versa)
      • This also portends the changes we've now seen in the traditional insurance companies, especially in admitted carriers, some of which have been reducing staff
    • Adrian spoke at ITC on lessons from early InsurTechs (founded after 2008) who are now worth $5 B or more, and looked into what lessons we can learn from their success
    • Insurance isn't about the giant TAM and high traction for Adrian, who would rather see less traction but the right traction rather than getting lots of traction that ends up being bad business
    • Adrian has also seen reinsurers support the new InsurTech risk takers, whether backing programs where 100% gets ceded, to even carriers where they're ceding 40-60% of the premium (whereas an established carrier seeds 6% on average)
      • He didn't see the reinsurance veto people predicted
    • We talked about how to address the issue where coverage is too expensive to buy and too cheap to sell in some pockets today, and what role parametric could play in solving that
      • He sees parametric as a good solution, but in niche situations like a deductible buy down
      • You face basis risk and a need for distributors who are willing to educate consumers while taking potential E&O exposure if insureds are unhappy when their loss isn't paid because the parametric trigger wasn't met

    This episode is brought to you by The Future of Insurance book series (future-of-insurance.com) from Bryan Falchuk.

    Follow the podcast at future-of-insurance.com/podcast for more details and other episodes.

    Music courtesy of Hyperbeat Music, available to stream or download on Spotify, Apple Music, and Amazon Music and more.

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