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    The International Scientists Getting Pushed Out

    en-usSeptember 08, 2020

    Podcast Summary

    • Uncertainty and hardships for international students and researchersThe Trump administration's immigration policies have created uncertainty and hardships for international students and researchers, particularly those from China, impacting their personal lives and long-term planning.

      The Trump administration's immigration policies have created significant uncertainty and hardships for international students and researchers, particularly those from China, who are pursuing careers in the US. This uncertainty extends to their personal lives, making long-term planning difficult. Mehmet, a physics postdoc at UC Berkeley from Turkey, shares his experiences of being affected by various visa restrictions, including being blocked from entering the country for nine months and having an approved H-1B visa put on hold. These experiences have made it challenging for him and his spouse to contemplate having children due to the uncertainty surrounding their future living arrangements. The administration's actions have also disrupted the lives of many other individuals, causing emotional and practical challenges.

    • Visa ban causes uncertainty and stress for international scientistsThe visa ban is causing emotional distress and research disruptions for international scientists in the US, many of whom are essential to the country's scientific enterprise.

      The visa ban has created significant uncertainty and emotional stress for international scientists in the US, many of whom are essential to the country's scientific enterprise. Mehmet, a postdoc organizing with his union, shares stories of researchers unable to return to the US after traveling or worried about leaving due to the ban. This uncertainty has taken a toll on their research and focus, with nearly 30% of scientists and engineers in the US being born outside the country. The federal government funds much of this research, making the visa ban's impact on these researchers particularly absurd. Mehmet finds the situation maddening, and it highlights the importance of community support and sharing resources during times of policy uncertainty.

    • The Future of Human Health and International StudentsAmgen innovates in science and sustainability, but visa policies pose challenges for international students and researchers in the US scientific community.

      The future of human health is being shaped by companies like Amgen, which are pushing the boundaries of science and sustainability to deliver new therapies. Meanwhile, the international scientist pipeline is facing uncertainty due to recent visa policies, potentially disrupting long-term plans for students and researchers. The administration's exemptions to the visa ban offer some hope for those in high-demand fields, but the situation remains complex and highly dependent on individual circumstances. The international student and researcher community plays a significant role in the US scientific ecosystem, and the impact of these policies could have far-reaching consequences. Apple Card users, on a lighter note, can earn daily cash rewards on their purchases, providing a financial incentive for consumers. Apple Card offers 3% cash back on Apple purchases, 2% on Apple Pay transactions, and 1% on all other purchases. For more information, visit apple.co/cardcalculator. Apple Card is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA, Salt Lake City branch, subject to credit approval. Terms apply.

    • Impact of US student visa limit on international scientist pipelineThe Trump administration's decision to limit student visas may hinder the growth of the US workforce in critical fields like computer science, mathematics, and engineering, potentially discouraging international students from entering the pipeline.

      The Trump administration's decision to limit the number of student visas issued in the US has significant implications for the international scientist pipeline. This policy affects the approximately one million students who come to the US each year to study, many of whom are foreign-born and go on to earn doctorates in fields like computer science, mathematics, and engineering. These graduates often stay in the US and become part of the permanent workforce. By freezing this pipeline, the administration is potentially hindering the growth of the US workforce in these critical fields, which could have long-term consequences. The rationale behind this decision was to address employment issues caused by the pandemic, as unemployment rates in the US have been increasing. However, this policy may also send a negative message to international students considering studying in the US, potentially discouraging them from entering the pipeline. The impact of this policy will depend on the outcome of the upcoming elections.

    • Mismatch between H-1B jobs and unemployment areasThe H-1B visa system does not align with current US unemployment patterns, particularly in tech and sciences, potentially weakening the US's competitive edge and deterring international students.

      There is a mismatch between the types of jobs available for H-1B visa holders and the areas of unemployment in the US, particularly among non-college educated workers. This issue predates the pandemic and is most prominent in the tech industry and sciences, where international scientists and researchers, often with advanced degrees and specialized training, are disproportionately employed. The fear is that as policies become more restrictive, these skilled workers may choose to work in more welcoming countries, potentially weakening the US's competitive edge in science and innovation. Additionally, there are concerns that the executive order could deter international students from attending American colleges, impacting the country's ability to attract top talent.

    • U.S. Visa Policies Create Uncertainty for International ScientistsU.S. visa policies create uncertainty for international scientists, potentially impacting collaboration and innovation in the scientific community, while American science remains highly regarded.

      The recent U.S. visa policies have created uncertainty and concern among international scientists, despite the administration's stated support for high-skilled immigration. Some scientists, like Mehmed Doan, may feel they have no choice but to leave the country due to the visa restrictions. This could potentially impact the collaboration and innovation that comes from having a diverse scientific community. While the U.S. remains an attractive destination for many reasons, the situation is fluid and uncertain, leaving many international scientists in limbo. The administration's actions may send a mixed message, creating a sense of whiplash and instability in the scientific community. Despite this, American science continues to be highly regarded, and many young scientists still see the U.S. as a destination for collaboration and career growth. However, the current situation adds an extra layer of complexity and uncertainty to the process of building a career in science for international students and researchers.

    • Navigating Research as a Non-CitizenNon-citizens face unpredictable visa statuses that can disrupt research plans. They must rely on public support and advocacy to address challenges, including those related to retirement and global capital markets.

      As a non-citizen researcher, the visa status can be unpredictable and subject to sudden changes, potentially disrupting research plans. Mehmet Doan, a researcher in this situation, emphasizes the importance of outreach and educating the American public about these challenges. As non-citizens lack the ability to vote or directly participate in the political process, it's crucial for them to rely on the support of citizens to advocate for their needs. Listeners are encouraged to learn more about these issues and the role of global capital markets in addressing various challenges, including retirement, through The Bid podcast by BlackRock.

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