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    They Want To Pitch Grand Plans — Instead They're Talking Trump

    en-usJune 14, 2023

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    • Republican Candidates' Pledge to Pardon Trump if ElectedSome Republican presidential candidates, including Vivek Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley, have pledged to pardon Trump if elected, should he be indicted and convicted for alleged hoarding of state secrets. This could become a divisive issue in the primary.

      During the Republican presidential nomination race in 2023, Vivek Ramaswamy stood out for his unequivocal commitment to pardoning former President Donald Trump if elected, should Trump be indicted and convicted for alleged hoarding of state secrets. This pledge came despite a growing number of Republicans questioning the fairness of the judicial system and the motivations behind the prosecution. Other candidates, such as former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley, have also expressed openness to the idea of pardoning Trump, suggesting it could become a significant issue in the Republican primary. Trump, who is currently facing serious allegations, including putting national security at risk, has yet to be proven guilty.

    • Republican Candidates Defend Trump Amid Legal IssuesCandidates hesitant to criticize Trump due to his supporters, instead defending him and labeling investigations as politically motivated. Pressure to address Trump's legal issues is increasing, particularly from conservative media. Issue of presidential pardon power becoming more salient.

      The Republican primary field is facing a dilemma regarding former President Trump's legal issues. Candidates are hesitant to criticize him openly, as his supporters make up a significant portion of the Republican primary electorate. Instead, they defend Trump, often labeling the investigations as politically motivated. This trend has continued even with actual indictments, and the pressure to address the issue is increasing, particularly from conservative media. One notable example is Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who was asked about pardoning Trump and didn't rule it out. The issue of presidential pardon power and its application to a potentially convicted former president is becoming more salient in the primary race and the general election. It's important to distinguish between the question of pardoning a convicted Trump and the question of what Trump did, as there are valid arguments for both.

    • Nikki Haley's stance on pardoning a former presidentHaley suggests it might not be good for the country to see a former president in jail, referencing Ford's pardon of Nixon, but this stance could open debates on immunity for ex-presidents and specific crimes.

      Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley's stance on pardoning a former president facing criminal charges, specifically for mishandling classified documents, could become a position other Republican primary candidates adopt. Haley suggested it might not be good for the country to see a former president in jail, referencing Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon. However, this stance could open the door to potential issues regarding the specific crime and whether a former president should be immune from prosecution. The Republican field has shown notable support for pardoning those charged in relation to the January 6th Capitol uprising, with Donald Trump and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis being the most vocal.

    • Republican divide over pardons for January 6 Capitol protestersSome GOP candidates support pardons for Jan 6 protesters, citing unfair treatment, but it's a divisive issue and risks alienating swing voters.

      During the Republican primary season, there is a significant divide over the issue of pardons for individuals involved in the January 6 Capitol protests. Some candidates, such as Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, have suggested the possibility of pardons, while others, like Mike Pence and Chris Christie, have firmly opposed the idea. The support for pardons among Republican voters is driven by the belief that these individuals are being unfairly treated as "political prisoners." However, this position is controversial and has become a divisive issue in the primary race. It's worth noting that the candidates advocating for pardons are currently performing better in the polls. The Republican Party's focus on the past, particularly the January 6 protests and Trump's handling of documents, is a risky strategy as it may not resonate with independent and swing voters who are looking for a more optimistic message about the future. The midterm elections showed that upholding democratic institutions and norms can be a winning issue, and candidates who deny the legitimacy of the 2020 election or question the January 6 attack did not perform well.

    • Pardons for Capitol Rioters: Complex QuestionsThe potential pardoning of individuals involved in the Capitol riots raises complex questions about moving past significant events, addressing perceived unfair prosecutions, and the implications for democratic norms and public trust in the justice system.

      The potential pardoning of individuals involved in the January 6th Capitol riots by a sitting president raises complex questions about public good and democratic norms. While there are precedents for mass pardons issued by presidents after significant events, such as the Civil War and the Vietnam War, the justification and implications differ. For some, pardons could be seen as a means to move past the event and address perceived unfair prosecutions. However, others argue that the January 6th attack was a violent assault on democracy and the rule of law, and the crimes committed should be taken seriously. Furthermore, the politicization of institutions like the Department of Justice and the FBI under the former president's narrative could complicate the situation, potentially undermining public faith in democratic institutions. Ultimately, the decision to grant pardons could have significant consequences for the country's democratic norms and the public's perception of fairness and impartiality in the justice system.

    • Can a President Pardon Themselves?The power of self-pardoning for a president is uncertain and could potentially reach the Supreme Court if a president is reelected and faces convictions.

      The president does not have the power to pardon himself, and if President Trump or any future president is reelected and faces convictions, the question of whether a president can pardon themselves would likely end up in the Supreme Court. This was a topic of debate during Trump's final days in office, but the answer remains uncertain. It's important to note that this is a complex legal issue with significant implications for the presidency and the rule of law. As always, NPR's Myles Parks, Susan Davis, and Mara Liasson are here to help make sense of it all. For more in-depth analysis of how policy changes in Washington can impact your finances and portfolio, tune in to Washington Wise, an original podcast from Charles Schwab. And for those interested in supporting human rights advocates worldwide in the fight for democracy, equity, and justice for all people, check out American Jewish World Service.

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