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    Trump says he won't leave the 2024 race even if convicted

    enJune 12, 2023

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    • Former President Trump to Appear in Court on Indictment ChargesFormer President Trump faces 37 felony counts, denies wrongdoing, supporters rally to his defense, high-stakes court appearance, not planning on taking a plea deal, damning allegations of mishandling sensitive secrets, JD Power ranks Sleep Number #1 in customer satisfaction, limited-time discount on smart beds

      Former President Trump is expected to appear in court tomorrow, June 13th, following his indictment on 37 felony counts related to his handling of classified information. Trump has denied any wrongdoing and has been vocal about his indictment being a political move. The indictment alleges that Trump kept sensitive secrets in unsecured locations at his Mar-a-Lago resort. Trump's supporters are rallying to his defense, labeling the indictment a witch hunt. The court appearance is anticipated to be a high-stakes event, with local and federal officials increasing security due to potential threats of violence. Trump is not planning on taking a plea deal and believes he will not be convicted. The indictment paints a damning picture of a former president who allegedly mishandled some of the country's most sensitive secrets. JD Power ranks Sleep Number as the number 1 in customer satisfaction with mattresses purchased in store, offering a 40% discount on limited edition smart beds for a limited time.

    • Trump to Face Charges in Federal Court TomorrowFormer President Trump to appear in court for mishandling sensitive documents, including those from CIA and DoD, faces Espionage Act charges, trial could last months to years

      Former President Donald Trump is expected to appear in federal court in Miami tomorrow to face charges related to the mishandling of sensitive documents. He will plead not guilty and meet with his legal team beforehand. The trial could take anywhere from months to years, depending on the complexity of the case and the role of classified information. The indictment unsealed last week revealed that the documents in question contained national defense information from agencies like the CIA and Department of Defense. The documents were found at Mar-a-Lago and had been stored in various locations, including a ballroom and a bathroom. Trump is charged under the Espionage Act for allegedly retaining these documents after leaving office.

    • Trump Indictment: Mishandling Classified Documents and ObstructionFormer President Trump mishandled classified documents, obstructed efforts to recover them, and misled his lawyer about their possession. The indictment was filed in Florida, reflecting a strengthened legal system and the importance of accountability for mishandling sensitive information.

      Former President Donald Trump mishandled sensitive classified documents and obstructed efforts to recover them. The indictment reveals that Trump used the documents at least twice, once to show them to writers working on a book and another time to a member of a political action committee. He also allegedly obstructed the investigation by misleading his lawyer about the extent of the documents in his possession. The indictment also explains that some documents were removed from the storage room before the lawyer's search, leading to a false certification of a diligent search. The case was filed in Florida, where the jury pool is expected to be more favorable to Trump. The indictment's thoroughness reflects the strengthening of the legal system after the January 6th riots and the importance of holding individuals accountable for mishandling classified information.

    • Trump's response to indictment: Florida, speeches, and fundraisingTrump will leave for Florida, give defiant speeches, and fundraise after indictment, while privately expressing concerns to his team. This strategy generates media attention, financial support, and sets the tone for his 2024 campaign.

      Former President Donald Trump is expected to follow a familiar playbook following his indictment on federal charges. He will leave for Florida to meet with his legal team, deliver defiant remarks to supporters, and fundraise. Despite his public bravado, privately, concerns about the legal implications are growing among his team. Trump's speeches will continue to focus on the narrative of "you, me, and they," positioning himself as a proxy for his supporters against perceived adversaries. This strategy not only generates earned media and financial support but also sets the tone for his 2024 presidential campaign.

    • Trump's Legal Troubles Over Classified Documents: Political ImplicationsThe ongoing legal situation involving Trump's handling of classified documents has significant political implications, with the outcome potentially impacting his future political prospects.

      The ongoing legal situation involving Donald Trump's handling of classified documents is a complex issue with significant political implications. While some argue that the indictment is politically motivated and that Trump's actions as a former president are protected, others see it as a serious breach of security protocols. The legal and political landscape is still uncertain, with questions about the timing and potential outcome of the case. The Republican primary field is divided on how to address this issue, creating an opportunity for Trump to use it to his political advantage. Jim Jordan, a Republican congressman, has already begun defending Trump's actions, citing constitutional protections for the president's control of classified information. However, the fact that Trump is no longer in office changes the legal landscape, and the indictment specifically focuses on actions taken after January 20, 2021. The legal footing for Trump's defense is not firm, and the outcome of the case could have significant implications for his political future.

    • DOJ Charges Trump with Mishandling 31 Documents, Signaling Political BacklashThe DOJ charged Trump with mishandling 31 documents, each counted as a separate offense, potentially leading to a political backlash against the Justice Department. Trump's GOP rivals have been hesitant to attack him, but this case may change the dynamic.

      The DOJ charged Donald Trump with mishandling national defense information from 31 different documents, each counted as a separate offense. This strategy allows the prosecution to bypass the technicalities of whether the documents were classified or declassified at the time. The phone call to Jim Jordan, a combative congressman and head of investigations into government weaponization, is seen as a sign of concern, as it could lead to a political backlash against the Justice Department. Despite this, Trump's GOP rivals have been hesitant to attack him over the indictment, fearing the base's support for him and the potential backlash from the "deep state" narrative. The case may change this dynamic as it progresses, but for now, there are two distinct lanes of candidates: those who can't defeat Trump by running to his right, and those who might see an opportunity to challenge him. Meanwhile, law enforcement is preparing for potential violence at Trump's court appearance in Miami, and remarkably, four children have been found alive in the Amazon after 40 days, having survived a plane crash and the jungle on their own.

    • Indigenous leader's hope amidst Amazon tragedy and Trump's indictmentDespite personal hardships and political controversies, Manuel Laranocchi and Walt Nada remain hopeful and continue to support their beliefs.

      Indigenous leader Manuel Laranocchi, whose family was involved in a tragic accident in the Amazon jungle, remains hopeful and believes in the power of nature despite the hardships. Meanwhile, officials are increasing security measures in Miami ahead of former President Trump's arraignment due to potential threats. The indictment against Trump includes one of his aides, Walt Nada, who is charged with moving classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. Nada continues to support Trump despite the allegations. The jungle father expressed his desire for more government support and investment to prevent future tragedies. The collapsed section of Interstate 95 in Philadelphia may take months to repair, causing travel disruptions in the northeast.

    • Trump and Nada Charged with Obstructing Justice over Classified DocumentsFormer President Trump and his associate Walt Nada are facing charges for obstructing justice by moving boxes of documents with classified information before they could be searched by investigators during a subpoena period.

      Former President Donald Trump and his associate Walt Nada are facing multiple charges for obstructing justice and concealing documents with classified information from investigators. The most damning accusation against Nada is that Trump directed him to move boxes of documents before they could be searched by Trump's attorney, resulting in some documents being missed during the search. This period of box moving occurred during the time when Trump's team had received a subpoena to hand back any documents with classified markings. The timeline is crucial as it raises questions about how documents with classified markings went missing and were later discovered by the FBI. Trump and Nada are facing charges including conspiracy to obstruct justice, withholding a document or record, and making false statements to federal agents. The indictment is detailed and specific, outlining several instances where Nada moved boxes around Mar-a-Lago, and the importance of this period between the subpoena and the search.

    • Trump and Nada to Appear in Court for Obstruction ChargesTrump and Nada face obstruction charges for retaining national security documents at Mar-a-Lago. The trial timeline is uncertain, but sensitive materials from various agencies are involved.

      Former President Donald Trump and his codefendant, Walt Nada, are expected to make their initial appearance in court on Tuesday afternoon in Miami, Florida, following a federal indictment charging them with obstruction for retaining documents of national security importance at Mar-a-Lago. The FBI is tracking potential threats online, and the Proud Boys are reportedly planning to travel to Florida to show their support for Trump. The trial timeline is uncertain, with a magistrate judge presiding on Tuesday and a more detailed trial schedule to be set later. The documents in question include sensitive materials from the CIA, Department of Defense, NSA, and relate to defense capabilities, nuclear programs, potential vulnerabilities, and plans for possible retaliation. Trump is currently facing a potential speedy trial, but the exact timeline remains uncertain.

    • Movement of Classified Documents at Mar-a-LagoFormer President Trump and his associate are accused of mishandling classified documents, which were found spilled on the ground during a search. Security measures are in place for Trump's arraignment, with concerns over potential threats from extremist groups.

      The indictment against former President Trump details the movement of classified documents from Mar-a-Lago through various rooms, including a ballroom, business center, lake room, and storage room. The documents were initially kept in the bathroom of the lake room and later moved to the storage room, where they were discovered spilled on the ground. Trump and Nada are accused of deception in the handling of these documents during the DOJ's subpoena process. The security preparations for Trump's arraignment tomorrow are extensive, with the Secret Service, US Marshals, and local law enforcement agencies working together to ensure safety. Potential threats include groups like the Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, and 3 Percenters. Comments from Carrie Lake, a former Arizona gubernatorial candidate, are being monitored for any potential violent reactions. Law enforcement considers such statements as protected by the First Amendment but focuses on the response from the other side.

    • Political climate poses challenges to law enforcement and government institutionsEasy access to weapons and social media fuel potential for violence, criminal justice system under stress, ongoing investigations raise questions about accountability and transparency, public perception influences illegal activities.

      The current political climate involves various threats to law enforcement and government institutions, which can come from both organized groups and lone individuals. The ease of access to weapons and the use of social media platforms have heightened the potential for violence and unrest. The criminal justice system and law enforcement have been under stress test in recent years, and the sentences handed down to January 6th rioters are hoped to serve as a deterrent. The ongoing investigations into former President Trump and Hunter Biden continue to raise questions about accountability and transparency. The public's perception of these cases and the potential for pardons may influence individuals' decisions to engage in illegal activities. The ongoing tension between political polarization, access to weapons, and the role of law enforcement in addressing these challenges remains a significant concern for the future.

    • Political tension over Hunter Biden's tax investigation and Trump's indictmentFormer AGs have differing views on Trump's indictment and Hunter Biden's tax probe, but it's unclear how much impact their comments will have on public opinion

      The ongoing investigation into Hunter Biden's tax affairs, which has been ongoing since 2018, is causing political tension and raising questions about fairness and justice. Former Attorney General Bill Barr, who served under President Trump, has weighed in on the situation, expressing concern over the detailed and damning indictment against Trump in the classified documents case. However, Donald Ayer, a former deputy attorney general under President George H.W. Bush, has a different view of Barr and sees the indictment as further evidence of Trump's wrongdoing. Despite the differing opinions, it remains to be seen how much influence these comments will have on the public, particularly Trump supporters, and whether they will encourage more people to read the indictment for themselves.

    • Maintaining accountability for high officialsThe pending trial and potential January 6th charges against former President Trump are crucial for upholding the rule of law and maintaining public respect for the justice system. Accountability for high officials who commit serious crimes is essential.

      The pending trial and charges against former President Donald Trump are crucial for upholding the rule of law and maintaining public respect for the justice system in the United States. The potential January 6th charges, which many believe will be filed against Trump, are equally important. Accountability for high officials who commit serious crimes is essential for the functioning of the country's legal system. The investigation into the classified documents case may not result in a plea deal for Trump due to his desire to maintain a PR advantage and the government's need for accountability. Meanwhile, in unrelated news, commuters face significant travel disruptions due to a section of I-95 collapsing in Philadelphia.

    • Cleanup from concrete truck collapse may take months, Governor declares disasterThe cleanup from a concrete truck collapse could take months, and the Governor has declared a disaster to expedite the process. The Republican primary race sees a divide between traditional conservatives and Trump supporters, with the latter dismissing his indictment and Trump maintaining his frontrunner status.

      The cleanup process following a devastating concrete truck collapse on a Pennsylvania highway could take several months, and the governor has issued a disaster declaration to expedite the process. Meanwhile, the Republican presidential nomination race is seeing a divide among contenders, with some expressing more traditional conservative views and others siding with former President Trump, who was indicted last week. Trump's allies, including Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan, have defended him, arguing that the president has the constitutional right to classify and control access to national security information. The polling shows that Trump remains a frontrunner in the Republican primary electorate, with voters forgiving of his actions and dismissive of the indictment.

    • Trump's Argument for Classified Docs Clashes with Indictment FactsDespite legal and political challenges, Trump's base remains supportive, making it difficult for GOP rivals to differentiate themselves.

      Former President Trump's argument for possessing classified documents, even after leaving office, goes against the facts outlined in the indictment against him. Despite this, his supporters, like Jim Jordan, continue to defend him using loud voices and distractions, making it difficult for his GOP rivals to challenge him. The base appears to be okay with the baggage of Trump's past, making it a significant challenge for other Republicans to differentiate themselves. The indictment is seen as bad on both the legal and political fronts, with the Republican electorate already leaning towards distrusting the institutions involved. The Trump era and Trumpism continue to shape the political landscape in unexpected ways. The new polling shows that voters' opinions are still forming, but the overall sentiment towards the indictment is negative.

    • Trump's Indictment Boosts Poll Numbers and FundraisingTrump's indictment has led to a surge in support, with a large Republican base maintaining loyalty and Trump holding a substantial lead over his opponents in polls.

      Former President Donald Trump's poll numbers and small dollar fundraising have surged following his indictment, with a significant portion of the GOP base continuing to support him despite the charges. The polling data shows Trump maintaining a substantial lead over his nearest opponent, Ron DeSantis, with a nearly 40 point advantage among Republicans. Furthermore, a small percentage of Republicans believe Trump should have been charged with a crime for handling classified documents, equal to those who hold the same view regarding his hush money case. The FBI searched Mar-a-Lago over 500 days after Trump left office, raising concerns about the number of people who may have had access to the areas where the documents were allegedly kept. Trump is expected to fly to Florida to turn himself in on federal charges tomorrow, with Miami ramping up security in anticipation of potential protests.

    • Trump Heads to Florida Ahead of Indictment, Gives Defiant SpeechTrump travels to Florida for legal consultation, denies wrongdoing, and gives defiant speech to supporters amidst heightened security in Miami due to potential protests and federal buildings.

      Former President Donald Trump is expected to travel from New Jersey to Florida ahead of his arraignment tomorrow, where he will be meeting with his attorneys and giving a defiant speech to supporters. His team is reportedly concerned about the legal and political implications of the indictment, but Trump himself has denied any wrongdoing and framed the charges as political persecution. Miami authorities are preparing for potential protests and have identified possible threats, including communication from the Proud Boys group. The overall security posture in downtown Miami is heightened due to the presence of several federal buildings, including the new and old courthouses and the US attorney's office. The judge assigned to oversee the case has been a topic of discussion due to her past rulings and connections to Trump's legal team.

    • Judge Eileen Cannon's history in the Mar-a-Lago caseJudge Eileen Cannon, appointed by Trump and with prosecution experience, oversaw part of the Mar-a-Lago case but had a ruling reversed. Unclear if a conflict of interest exists for her to preside, and law enforcement prepares for potential protests.

      Judge Eileen Cannon, who oversaw part of the legal fight following the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago last summer, is a federal judge with a history in the case. She was appointed by Donald Trump and has experience as a federal prosecutor. However, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals reversed a ruling she made regarding a special master reviewing the documents, stating she went out of her jurisdiction. Despite this, it's unclear if there will be a conflict of interest for her to preside over the case, as she was a Trump nominee. Regarding the upcoming court appearance, law enforcement is preparing for potential protests, with various agencies coordinating resources to ensure safety for all parties involved.

    • Importance of respecting the lawFailure to respect the law can lead to serious legal consequences for public figures, and their words and actions can influence their supporters.

      The ongoing investigation into former President Trump's handling of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago highlights the importance of respecting the law and the potential consequences of disregarding it. While some supporters may view Trump as a victim of a "witch hunt," the detailed and fact-based indictment paints a different picture. The former President's actions, if proven true, could lead to serious legal consequences. Furthermore, the atmospherics around protests and political rhetoric should not be overlooked, as they can contribute to a volatile environment. The words and actions of public figures carry weight, and can influence the behavior of their supporters. The ongoing investigation serves as a reminder of the importance of upholding the law and respecting the institutions that uphold it.

    • Trump Indictment Alleges Mishandling of Sensitive DocumentsFormer President Trump faces allegations of mishandling sensitive documents with potential implications for national security. The documents contained information on defense capabilities, nuclear programs, and potential vulnerabilities. If true, this could be a serious crime with potential danger to military personnel, civilians, and foreign relations.

      The recently unsealed indictment against former President Donald Trump alleges he mishandled sensitive documents with potential implications for national security. Former Attorney General Bill Barr, who once defended Trump, expressed shock over the sensitive nature of the documents. The indictment includes allegations that the documents contained information on defense capabilities, nuclear programs, and potential vulnerabilities. John Bolton, Trump's former national security adviser, believes that if the documents match the allegations, Trump has committed serious crimes. Bolton emphasized the importance and potential danger of these documents, which could impact the safety of military personnel, civilians, and foreign relations. The indictment is narrowly tailored and should be the end of Trump's political career, according to Bolton. Despite the seriousness of the allegations, some Republicans argue that prosecuting a former president is worse for the country than what actually happened. However, Bolton believes that the decision to prosecute should be based on the facts and not politics. The Republican candidates' criticism of the indictment and reluctance to attack Trump on it remains a mystery.

    • Former Ambassador Bolton discusses Trump documents investigationPolitical leaders see polls as valuable info, not set in stone. Bolton urges speedy trial for Trump's mishandled documents, while JPMorgan settles with Epstein victims and I-95 restoration continues.

      Political leaders don't view public opinion polls as set in stone, but rather as valuable pieces of information. Former Ambassador John Bolton discussed the ongoing investigation into former President Trump's handling of classified documents, expressing his belief that the truth should be presented to Republican voters. He suggested that Trump may have viewed the documents as souvenirs or useful for future purposes, but the reason behind their possession is less important than the fact that they were mishandled. Bolton urged for a speedy trial and expressed hope that the justice system would not allow for undue delay. The former president has not yet indicated a willingness to expedite the process. Additionally, JPMorgan Chase has reached a settlement with Jeffrey Epstein's sex abuse victims in a class action lawsuit, and officials are working to restore I-95 after a portion of the highway collapsed. The former Italian prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, passed away from leukemia, and Colombia is celebrating the rescue of four children who had been missing in the Amazon jungle for 40 days.

    • Former world leaders face criminal investigations and chargesEx-leaders like Trump face criminal probes for national security, financial misconduct, or other crimes. Int'l community holds them accountable, impacting foreign relations.

      Former world leaders, including Donald Trump, are not immune to criminal investigations and charges, as seen in the cases of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Brazil's president Luiz Ignacio Lula da Silva, and Scotland's former first minister Nicola Sturgeon. The international community, especially democracies, have held their ex-leaders accountable for serious allegations, whether related to national security, financial misconduct, or other crimes. The ongoing investigation into Trump's alleged violation of espionage laws and other charges has garnered significant attention and concern from foreign media, highlighting the seriousness of these allegations and their potential impact on foreign relations. Despite this, some populist leaders, such as Hungary's Viktor Orban, have expressed support for Trump, reflecting the solidarity among populist leaders. However, the majority of world leaders recognize the potential consequences of their actions, both in and out of office, and the importance of facing credible charges in a fair and transparent manner.

    • Significance of Trump's indictment for the US and the worldTrump's indictment raises questions about rule of law and equal justice, tests GOP unity, and could impact 2024 race. World leaders facing legal challenges underscore importance.

      Former President Trump's indictment in Florida on 37 charges, including election interference, is not only significant for the United States but also for the world, as it raises questions about the rule of law and equal application of justice, especially for a country that positions itself as a democratic leader. Trump's reaction, which includes denying the charges and rallying supporters, is a familiar playbook, and it remains to be seen how the public and the Republican Party will respond. The indictment and its aftermath may test the unity of the Republican Party and could potentially influence the 2024 presidential race. Additionally, it's important to note that other world leaders, such as Boris Johnson, have faced similar legal challenges and have been held accountable, further emphasizing the importance of this moment for the United States.

    • Political tensions and potential violence in the Republican primaryThe ongoing legal issues surrounding former President Trump and the handling of classified documents have fueled inflammatory rhetoric in the Republican primary, raising concerns about potential threats to courthouses and law enforcement personnel.

      The ongoing legal issues surrounding former President Donald Trump and the handling of classified documents have provided ample material for attack ads and inflammatory rhetoric in the current Republican primary. The indictment, which includes quotes of Trump's past statements on the importance of protecting classified information, has opened the door for opponents to criticize him on this issue. Additionally, the broader assaults on institutions, such as the FBI and DOJ, have raised concerns among law enforcement officials about potential threats to courthouses and law enforcement personnel. The rhetoric, which includes calls for violence and threats against those involved in the legal process, is being closely monitored by intelligence agencies. The concern is not just about large groups, but also about the potential for lone wolf attacks. Overall, the situation highlights the heightened political tensions and the potential for violence in the current political climate.

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    The criminal charges that could send Trump to prison

    The criminal charges that could send Trump to prison

    This week, Donald Trump became the first US president to be charged with a federal crime. This came less than three months after he was indicted in New York on separate state charges. Why is this time more serious?

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    Guest: David Charter, US Editor, The Times and The Sunday Times.

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