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    Using Active Management to Cut Downside Risks

    enJune 23, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • Bank of England's communication issues criticized for confusion and economic consequencesThe Bank of England faced criticism for poor communication about inflation and interest rates, leading to unexpected rate hikes and increased mortgage rates, with some economists suggesting closer monitoring of money supply growth to predict inflation trends

      The Bank of England's handling of inflation and interest rates has been criticized for being behind the curve, leading to confusion and potential economic consequences. Sarah Holder, a Bloomberg News reporter, has been vocal about the Bank's communication issues and their impact on voters. The Bank was expected to raise interest rates by a quarter point but instead raised them by half a percentage point, leading to increased mortgage rates. Critics argue that the Bank should have communicated better about its intentions and acted sooner to prevent inflation. Additionally, some economists believe that money supply growth and its relationship to inflation should be closely monitored, as it may indicate a potential turnaround in inflation trends. The debate continues about the future of inflation and the role of central banks in managing it.

    • Factors limiting the effectiveness of interest rate hikesHomeowners with fixed mortgages, renters, companies with debt, and savers locking in fixed rates are reducing the economy's sensitivity to interest rate hikes, potentially leading to unintended inflationary consequences if the government intervenes.

      The economy's response to monetary policy, specifically the Bank of England's efforts to combat inflation through raising interest rates, has been less effective than in the past. This is due to several factors, including a large percentage of homeowners with mortgages having fixed rates and a significant number of people who rent. Additionally, companies carrying debt are also facing increased costs, leading to potential hesitance in hiring. Another factor is the trend of people saving more by locking in fixed rates on their savings, rather than spending the income. These factors combined mean that the Bank of England's approach to combating inflation through interest rate hikes may not be as effective as intended, and could even lead to inflationary consequences if the government steps in to help those affected by rising mortgage costs.

    • Global economy facing challengesCentral banks grapple with inflation and economic instability, potentially leading to high price increases and concerns about recession

      While the focus on those facing financial pain from mortgage payments due to rising interest rates is important, it's not the only issue at hand. Central banks have had success in controlling inflation, but they cannot print money indefinitely without causing high price increases. Central banks, including the Bank of England, are grappling with finding the right balance. Additionally, economic instability, such as the false paperwork issue in Mexico, can lead to unexpected outcomes and concerns about recession. Overall, the global economy is facing challenges, and the consequences for individuals and governments alike are significant. It's crucial to stay informed about these developments and their potential impacts.

    • The Retreat of Globalization: Anxiety and UncertaintyThe retreat of globalization due to the pandemic and geopolitical divisions has led to increased anxiety about supply chains, economic instability, and rising borrowing costs, making active fund management valuable for minimizing risk and creating diversified portfolios.

      The retreat of globalization, a trend identified in a 2016 book "The Retreat of Globalization," has gained momentum due to the pandemic and geopolitical divisions. This has led to increased anxiety about long-distance supply routes, reshoring, and economic instability. The cost of borrowing money is expected to rise, making it more advantageous for listed companies. The COVID-19 pandemic initially saw a surge in equity markets and IPOs, but this trend has since reversed, and markets may flatline in real terms for an extended period. Active fund management, which offers the potential to minimize downside risk and create diversified portfolios, is expected to become increasingly valuable during this uncertain economic period.

    • Misaligned Investor Preferences Lead to Disappointing ReturnsInvestors often overlook small value stocks and focus on large caps, leading to disappointing real-term returns despite impressive index gains. International investors' preference for UK dividend payers can distort market performance, but pension fund maturation may soon reverse this trend.

      The markets, especially in countries like Japan and the UK, can be lumpy and unpredictable, leading to disappointing real-term returns despite impressive index gains. The reason for this is that investors often hold the wrong stocks, ignoring small value stocks and focusing on large caps, or they sell off local stocks in favor of international ones. In the case of the UK, international investors have been buying up companies paying good dividends, leading to the market's outperformance despite local selling. The pension funds, which have had large holdings in the UK, are maturing and moving into bonds, leaving many mainstream investors to reduce their positions in the UK market. However, this trend may soon reverse as investors realize the potential for long-term performance in the UK market.

    • Undervalued UK Stock Market: Opportunity for Substantial GainsThe UK stock market is underpriced compared to international markets, offering potential for significant gains over the next 20 years. Distressed companies and small firms provide additional investment opportunities for income generation and transformative upside.

      The UK stock market, particularly the FTSE 100, is undervalued compared to international markets, and there's a significant opportunity for investors to buy low and potentially see substantial gains over the next 20 years. This is due to both the current low valuations and the fact that many investors are underweight in their UK holdings. Additionally, investing in distressed or insolvent companies that are sold debt-free can provide excellent returns. The UK market is also known for its small companies, which can offer transformative upside with relatively small investments. The speaker, who manages two investment trusts, emphasizes the importance of income generation and the potential for good returns from a diverse range of companies, including some that have underperformed in recent years.

    • Investing in smaller income-generating companiesInvesting in smaller companies in specialist sectors can offer attractive yields and growth potential, especially during uncertain economic times. XPS Pensions is an example of a growing small cap income stock, and the XPS Income Plus Trust provides more attractive income and income growth than many index and mainstream funds.

      Investing in smaller, income-generating companies can offer attractive yields and growth potential, especially during uncertain economic times. These companies, often in specialist sectors and with less market maturity, can take advantage of new sectors and structural growth trends. XPS Pensions, a pensions advisory business, is an example of a small cap income stock that is growing sales, generating surplus cash, and increasing its yield. In a potential recession, fewer companies will be producing good and growing income, making small cap income stocks an exciting opportunity for continued investment and potential growth acceleration through deals. The XPS Income Plus Trust, with a yield pushing 5%, is set up to provide more attractive income and income growth than many index and mainstream funds, and the fund's diversification across various sectors further reduces risk.

    • Diversity in portfolio with micro caps provides resilienceInvesting in a diverse portfolio with micro caps can yield disproportionate returns, despite market challenges. Strong micro caps with solid balance sheets have potential for substantial recovery.

      Having a diverse portfolio with a range of companies, including micro caps, provides resilience to unexpected market news. Micro cap companies, particularly those in the UK, have had a challenging time in recent years, with few international buyers and significant selling pressure. However, those with strong balance sheets have the potential for substantial recovery when the market turns. History shows that periods of market downturn can be followed by dramatic recoveries for smaller quoted companies. While it's impossible to predict the future, the potential upside for micro caps could be substantial over a 10-year period. As history has shown, even during times of local political instability and economic uncertainty, investing in small companies can yield disproportionate returns.

    • Mexico's first female president and economic concerns in Mexico and UK's small cap marketThe UK small cap market has the potential for growth, despite economic concerns and potential tax changes, while Mexico is on the brink of having its first female president and dealing with economic issues.

      Mexico is on the brink of having its first female president, while economic concerns persist, particularly regarding potential fake paperwork in China's market. The potential impact of inheritance tax changes on smaller listed companies in the UK, specifically those in the microcap world, is not significant. The UK needs investment to generate employment and productivity improvement, making it unlikely for the government to implement significant tax increases on AIM stocks. Despite these concerns, the potential for growth in the UK small cap market remains high. The economic landscape is constantly evolving, with political will and investor sentiment playing crucial roles in shaping markets and government policies. The Big Take DC podcast, hosted by Solea Mohsen, provides in-depth analysis on the intersection of money, politics, and power, offering valuable insights into these complex issues.

    • Encouraging investment in UK market to boost attractivenessProposals suggest requiring a percentage of ISA investments in UK stocks to increase liquidity, drive up valuations, and encourage companies to list and remain listed in the UK, potentially benefiting economic growth and job creation

      There is a trend of UK companies delisting and primary listing overseas due to higher valuations, which could negatively impact the relevance and attractiveness of the UK market. To address this issue, some proposals suggest incentivizing investment in the UK market through measures like requiring a certain percentage of ISA investments to be in UK stocks. This could potentially increase liquidity, drive up valuations, and encourage both small and large companies to list and remain listed in the UK. While there are concerns about the inconvenience of such an requirement, the potential benefits, including access to attractively valued assets, could outweigh the drawbacks. Ultimately, the goal is to make the UK market more socially useful by encouraging responsible investment in local companies that can contribute to economic growth and job creation.

    • Investing in smaller socially useful companies can lead to substantial benefitsSmall socially useful companies with FDA approval, large sales forces, and strong partnerships can offer absurdly low valuations and significant returns

      Investing in socially useful, smaller companies can lead to significant productivity improvements, higher wages for staff, and increased local tax revenues. These companies, despite generating substantial sales and profits, often fly under the radar and offer absurdly low valuations. For instance, Shield Therapeutics, a technology company with FDA approval for a product with few side effects for people with iron deficiency, is currently valued at a P/E ratio of 1.5 over the next 3 years, despite having a large sales force and a deal with a major US company. Similarly, Plant Healthcare, a biological company specializing in natural products for crop disease and pest control, has a deal with Wilbur Ellis and is already generating £16 million in sales. These companies, which often have demonstrated technology and strong partnerships, offer exciting investment opportunities in various industries.

    • Investing in microcaps in emerging markets: Opportunities and challengesInvesting in microcaps, particularly those in emerging markets, can provide substantial returns through share price appreciation and growth potential. Companies like the leading smart metering player in India, or a rapidly growing British microcap in the utilities sector, offer strong market positions and significant growth prospects.

      There are opportunities in investing in microcap companies, particularly those in emerging markets, despite potential challenges such as limited internet connectivity. One such company is a leading player in the smart metering sector in India, which has spent a decade developing a peer-to-peer data transmission system to connect meters in areas with limited or no internet connectivity. With billions of dollars in funding from the Indian government, this company has a strong market position and significant growth potential. Investing in microcaps offers the potential for substantial returns, not just through share price appreciation, but also through the inbuilt option value of these companies as they grow and expand. A good example of this is You Group, a British microcap growing rapidly in the utilities sector, with outstanding levels of service and a large cash balance. The Microcap Trust, which invests in such companies, offers investors the unique feature of a 100% exit every year, reducing the risk of significant discounts and increasing confidence in the investment. Overall, the potential for growth in these overlooked companies makes them an attractive investment opportunity.

    • Investing in Potential Upside and Gold PreferenceInvestors may find undervalued opportunities with potential upsides, and some prefer gold over Bitcoin for investment.

      The potential upside for a particular investment may not currently be reflected in its share price, but the advantage is that when the upside does come, the full value should be recognized. Additionally, the speakers expressed a preference for investing in gold over Bitcoin. The Big Take DC podcast covers how money, politics, and power shape government and its consequences for voters, with new episodes every Thursday. The Big Take from Bloomberg News provides insights into the world's economies with informed business reporters, helping listeners understand the impact of economic events.

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