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    Work For Humans With Dart Lindsley

    enMarch 02, 2022
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    About this Episode

    Too often business leaders are forced to choose between the needs of their company and the needs of their employees. It’s a lose/lose scenario leaving managers burned out and workers seeking other opportunities.

    But it doesn’t have to be this way...

    At Work for Humans, we believe work can be designed differently. When you design work like products people love, your company wins. Work becomes irresistible, employees passionately buy into their roles every day, and your company takes measurable strides towards your vision.

    Join Dart Lindsley and others in the conversation by subscribing to the Work for Humans podcast today. 

    Here you'll learn how your teams can implement a new, revolutionary framework that aligns the interests of your people with the interests of your company. 

    When you apply the Work For Humans framework, YOU can be the one to kindle this new fire in your organization. You can be the one to lead your teams to a new frontier of health and resilience. 

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