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    Would a 'wealth tax' work in Britain and could it help pay off the huge coronavirus debt?

    enDecember 11, 2020

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    • Proposing a wealth tax on millionaires to pay off national debtA one-off wealth tax on wealth above £1,000,000 could potentially raise £260 billion over five years, but the pension pot element is controversial

      The economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis has led to significant national debt, and the question of how to pay for it is a pressing issue. One suggestion is a wealth tax on millionaire households rather than increasing taxes for the general population. The Wealth Tax Commission proposes a one-off tax on wealth above a £1,000,000 threshold, which could potentially raise £260 billion over five years. This tax would apply to total wealth, including property, pensions, investments, and savings. However, the pension pot element of this proposal is controversial, as not all pensions are the same, and some people have defined benefit pensions where their employer guarantees a certain retirement income. While the idea of a wealth tax may seem fair, it's important to consider the potential implications and complexities, particularly when it comes to defining and valuing wealth.

    • Challenges of taxing wealth in current economic landscapeThe proposed wealth tax may impact elderly homeowners, but implementing it could be complex due to defining wealth and potential unintended consequences. Focusing on taxing large corporations may be a better alternative.

      The current economic landscape presents significant challenges when it comes to taxing wealth, particularly in relation to pensions and property. Most people in the private sector are finding it increasingly difficult to build up sufficient retirement income, while those in the public sector continue to receive a guaranteed pension. Meanwhile, many individuals have accumulated substantial property wealth, but the ability to cash in on this asset is limited. The proposed wealth tax, as suggested by the Wealth Tax Commission, could potentially impact those who are "asset rich but cash poor," such as elderly homeowners. However, implementing such a tax may be complex due to the difficulty of defining who is truly wealthy and the potential for unintended consequences. Instead, some argue that the focus should be on taxing large corporations that avoid paying their fair share. The Wealth Tax Commission, which is made up of three academics and economic experts, is a relatively new initiative, and its recommendations should be considered in this context. Overall, the issue of wealth taxation is a complex one with no easy answers.

    • Political challenges of implementing a wealth taxImplementing a wealth tax faces significant opposition due to its potential unpopularity among certain demographics and the existing criticism of existing taxes like inheritance tax. The political ramifications and economic complexities add to the challenges.

      Implementing a wealth tax is a politically challenging proposition due to its potential unpopularity among certain demographics. The discussion highlighted that any tax rise, including a wealth tax, would face significant opposition from those affected by it. Additionally, the speakers noted that there are already existing taxes, such as inheritance tax, which are heavily criticized and disliked by many, despite affecting only a small number of people. The political ramifications of proposing a wealth tax were also discussed, with concerns raised about the potential backlash from conservative supporters and older generations. The speakers also touched upon the complexity of implementing such a tax and the potential economic implications, which add to the challenges. Overall, the consensus was that a wealth tax is a minefield, and its implementation would require careful consideration and strong political will.

    • Untaxed property appreciation vs. taxed mortgage paymentsWhile mortgage payments are taxed, property appreciation is not, creating a potential source of untaxed wealth for high net worth individuals. A wealth tax could address this, but its feasibility is uncertain due to historical opposition and implementation challenges.

      While the money used to pay mortgages is taxed, the appreciation in property value over decades is not taxable and often cannot be spent without significant life changes. However, a wealth tax, which targets the untaxed wealth of high net worth individuals, has its pros and cons. While it may not discourage economic activity and could potentially raise significant revenue, it has historically been unpopular and difficult to implement effectively due to exclusions and loopholes. A wealth tax could be more feasible if it was a one-time or limited-term tax, targeted at high net worth individuals or households, and applied to all types of assets with few exclusions. Such a tax could potentially raise substantial revenue, but its feasibility remains uncertain.

    • Skepticism towards implementing a new wealth tax in the UKThe wealthy already pay a significant amount in taxes, and implementing a new wealth tax could have unintended consequences, such as impacting the housing market and causing resistance from wealthy individuals. Instead, incentives or gamification could be used to encourage voluntary payments.

      The wealthy in the UK already contribute significantly to the tax system, with the top 5% paying half of all income tax in 2019 and 2020. There are already several taxes that could be considered wealth taxes, including inheritance tax, capital gains tax, and stamp duty. While a new wealth tax may be popular, the speakers in the discussion express skepticism about its implementation due to the potential for it to become a permanent source of revenue for the government, causing problems in the housing market and other areas. The speakers suggest that if the government were to implement a wealth tax, it could consider offering incentives to encourage voluntary payments or gamifying the process to make it more appealing to wealthy individuals. Ultimately, the speakers believe that any new tax, especially a wealth tax, would need to offer something in return to the wealthy population to be successful.

    • Creative funding methods and mortgage payment holidaysPeople can access exclusive events or content by donating through creative funding platforms, while mortgage payment holidays allow homeowners to pause payments during financial hardships.

      The discussion touched upon creative funding methods and mortgage payment holidays. Creative funding methods include platforms like Patreon where people can voluntarily pay for content or merchandise in exchange for exclusive perks. The speaker suggested gamifying this concept for the British government, allowing people to access certain events or content by donating. Mortgage payment holidays were also discussed, which have been available for those financially affected by various circumstances, not just the coronavirus crisis. These holidays allow homeowners to pause their mortgage payments for a few months, with the added amount being added to the term of the mortgage. During the initial stages of the coronavirus crisis, a large number of people took advantage of this scheme. However, the number of people still on mortgage holidays has significantly reduced. Steve and Irina were among those who took a mortgage holiday due to job loss and income reduction. They reached out to express their concerns about the future implications of this decision.

    • Clear communication between borrowers and lendersMisunderstandings during payment holidays can negatively impact credit scores, emphasizing the importance of clear communication and understanding between borrowers and lenders.

      Communication is key during times of financial uncertainty, such as payment holidays during a global pandemic. A couple, who had been approved for a mortgage on a smaller property, encountered an issue when a missed mortgage payment during a payment holiday went on their credit report due to a mix-up between the couple and Nationwide Building Society. The misunderstanding resulted in the missed payment being reported to credit agencies, potentially affecting their ability to secure new credit. Although Nationwide eventually agreed to remove the mark from their credit report, not everyone may be so fortunate. The importance of clear communication and understanding between borrowers and lenders is crucial to avoid such misunderstandings and potential negative impacts on credit scores.

    • Stamp Duty Holiday: More House, Less SavingsDespite the stamp duty holiday offering potential savings, the average house price increase outweighs the maximum saving, leaving buyers paying more for their property.

      The stamp duty holiday introduced by the government as a response to coronavirus may not have been a wise financial decision for some homebuyers due to the significant increase in house prices. The average house price in November 2020 was £253,243, which is £15,409 more than the average price in June when the stamp duty holiday was announced. The maximum saving from the stamp duty holiday is only £2,650 on the average house price, meaning buyers end up paying more for the property to save less in tax. However, it's important to note that this is just an average, and individual experiences may vary. Additionally, the property market was already showing signs of recovery before the stamp duty holiday was announced. The key takeaway is to carefully consider the financial implications of major purchases and seek professional advice when necessary.

    • Stamp duty holiday leads to housing market surge and economic activityThe stamp duty holiday in the UK led to a surge in housing transactions and economic activity, with buyers spending money on renovations and related expenses, but temporary tax cut caused some to potentially overpay while others negotiated good deals, and making it permanent could be more effective for long-term economic benefit.

      The stamp duty holiday implemented in the UK in July 2020 led to a surge in housing transactions and economic activity, despite causing an increase in house prices. This temporary tax cut drove people to buy homes before the deadline, leading some to potentially overpay, while others negotiated good deals. However, the overall impact on the economy was stimulative, with buyers spending money on renovations and other related expenses. Despite the potential downsides, many people were able to move homes and save on tax in the short term. However, the speaker argues that making the stamp duty cut permanent would be a more effective and sustainable solution for the long-term economic benefit.

    • Stamp duty cut: Savings for some, higher costs for othersThe stamp duty cut led to savings for some homebuyers, but higher costs for those planning to sell and buy a new property. Potential price drops in the housing market post-cut could wipe out savings.

      The stamp duty cut has led to some significant savings for homebuyers who had already gone through the process of buying a house before the announcement. However, those who were planning to take advantage of the cut and put their homes on the market to buy a new one might have ended up paying more for their new properties due to the competitive market. Additionally, there are concerns about potential price drops in the housing market once the stamp duty cut ends, which could wipe out the savings made. It's important to note that the stamp duty has an impact on the economy beyond just being a source of revenue for the treasury, as home improvements and related economic activities create jobs. For those who struggled to sell their homes before the market went bananas in 2020, it was a frustrating time, and even pricing sensibly didn't always lead to a sale. Overall, the stamp duty cut has had a complex impact on the housing market, and its effects will continue to be felt as the situation evolves.

    • Consider waiting for property market cool down after stamp duty deadlineInvestors should examine companies with large defined benefit pension schemes due to escalating costs and potential drain on resources.

      For those struggling to buy a property in a heated market, it might be worth waiting it out after the stamp duty deadline. While the tax cut may not apply, the potential savings from buying a property at a lower price could outweigh the cost. Meanwhile, for investors, companies with large defined benefit pension schemes should be closely examined due to the escalating costs and potential drain on resources. These schemes, which promise substantial payments to retirees for many years, have seen their costs rise significantly due to collapsing yields on safe investments. Pension trustees have become more cautious as a result, missing out on potential stock market gains. The strain on resources requires continuous payments to keep the fund afloat, making it a significant liability for the company.

    • Large companies with significant pension deficits impact share pricesLarge companies with high pension deficits as a percentage of market caps could see share price increases if interest rates rise, inflation picks up, or yields improve. Diversify investment portfolio with at least 15-20 companies across various sectors, and be aware of chaos at major ports causing import/export issues for businesses.

      Some companies with large market caps are facing significant pension deficits, which can significantly impact their share prices. For instance, companies like Stagecoach Group, BT, First Group, Capita, Tuohy, Dixon's Carphone Warehouse, Rolls Royce, BAE, Greencorp, Mitchells and Butlers, Petrifac, Morgan Advanced Materials, RHI, Magan Acita have high pension deficits as a percentage of their market caps. However, if interest rates rise, inflation picks up, or yields suddenly improve, these companies could see an increase in share prices as their pension deficits become less burdensome. Diversification is crucial when investing in individual companies, and having a portfolio with at least 15 to 20 different companies that operate in various sectors is recommended. Additionally, chaos at ports, particularly Felixstowe, Southampton, and London Gateway, is causing issues for import and export companies due to a backlog of containers and longer turnaround times. This chaos is affecting small businesses the most, and the situation is expected to worsen with the Christmas rush and ongoing Brexit negotiations.

    • Brexit and COVID-19 causing chaos at ports leading to financial strain for businessesBrexit and COVID-19 have caused container prices to skyrocket, leading to potential bankruptcy for businesses due to soaring costs. Urgent action is needed to mitigate the impact on international trade.

      The ongoing chaos at ports, exacerbated by Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic, is causing significant financial strain for businesses, particularly those that import and export goods. The price of shipping containers has skyrocketed, with some companies reporting an increase from £1,500 to £7,500 for a 40-foot container. This issue is not limited to Dover, as other ports like Phoenix also deal with a large volume of international cargo. The government has been aware of these potential issues for some time, but many feel that they have not taken sufficient action to address them. The consequences of this chaos could be dire, with businesses facing the possibility of bankruptcy due to soaring costs. The situation is further complicated by social distancing measures and a shortage of lorry drivers, making it difficult to turn containers around and transport goods efficiently. The pandemic has added an unexpected layer of complexity to the situation, and it is clear that urgent action is needed to mitigate the impact on businesses and ensure the smooth flow of international trade.

    • Unpredictable challenges in 2021: Brexit and the pandemicStay informed and adapt to Brexit and pandemic-related challenges, including increased stockpiling and supply chain disruptions.

      This year has brought about unexpected challenges, such as Brexit and the coronavirus pandemic, which have led to unforeseen consequences, including increased stockpiling and supply chain disruptions. Although extending the Brexit transition deadline was an option, the decision was made not to do so, resulting in these issues coinciding during the second wave of the virus and ongoing restrictions. This situation could have been avoided or mitigated, but the unpredictability of events in 2021 has proven to be a significant challenge for businesses and individuals alike. It's essential to stay informed and adapt to these changes as best as possible. To keep up with the latest money news, visit thisismoney.co.uk or download the app. If you have any questions or comments, email editor@thisismoney.co.uk or tweet @thisismoney. Join the debate in reader comments, and don't forget to rate us on iTunes.

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