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    China Business Law Podcast

    The China Business Law Podcast brings you a real world perspective on how business law is applied on the ground in China. Guests include both in-house and law firm professionals. The hosts are seasoned, practicing lawyers with decades of China experience.
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    Episodes (37)

    S1E17 - The Business Side of Buying Masks and other PPE from China

    S1E17 - The Business Side of Buying Masks and other PPE from China

    Why do prices fluctuate so much and how much time do customers typically have to decide on a deal?

    How can a buyer find other ways to reduce total order costs (e.g. shipping and logistics) beyond price?

    How does payment work and how much must be paid upfront on orders?

    How to educate buyers who are inexperienced in buying PPE or buying anything from China?

    What kind of vetting and other due diligence can be done on manufacturers and trading companies that sell PPE?

    Cameron Johnson - https://www.linkedin.com/in/cameronjohnsonshanghai/

    Joel Gallo - https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-a-gallo-167a6b17/

    S1E16 - A Legal Comparison of IPOs in the US, Hong Kong, and Mainland China(Chinese)

    S1E16 - A Legal Comparison of IPOs in the US, Hong Kong, and Mainland China(Chinese)

    3:10 介绍怎么选择了IPO业务领域

    5:30 IPO业务领域的发展趋势 

    9:30 在美国、香港、大陆上市的区别,以及律师的业务重心

    26:16 科创板IPO的特殊性,以及律师的业务重心

    36:50 中概股二次上市

    42:00 财务问题对企业的影响

    46:40 IPO业务的律师流程,以及法律层面重要的问题

    56:50 体育行业经验分享

    S1E15 - WeChat and TikTok - A Deep Dive on the Executive Orders and CFIUS

    S1E15 - WeChat and TikTok - A Deep Dive on the Executive Orders and CFIUS
    We are joined on our sister show Ganbei by Brian Fleming, Member at leading Washington DC law firm, Miller & Chevalier. Before joining the firm, Brian spent several years at the US Department of Justice working on national security issues related to export control, CFIUS investigations, and other compliance and enforcement efforts on international trade. Brian and Art discuss the recent Executive Orders restricting the use of WeChat and TikTok and the ongoing discussions about a potential sale of TikTok and the concurrent CFIUS investigation. -What is the legal basis behind the TikTok and WeChat Executive Orders? -How will the 45 day time frame and process work for the Commerce Department to identify transactions subject to these orders? -Are US companies' China subsidiaries covered by the order on WeChat? -Will US citizens really fall under this rule and be prevented from using WeChat from a practical perspective, even in China? Can they really enforce this rule on a person-by-person basis? Who is really being targeted by this rule? -Will the app stores like Apple and Google be forced to take down the app? -Why was the Executive Order for WeChat limited to transactions with WeChat and not transactions with Tencent, whereas the order on TikTok was much broader to include all transactions with Bytedance? -How hard will big business be lobbying to get this rule narrowly applied? -Is there a license exemption process for companies to use and what can we learn from the Huawei experience with similar licenses? -Can Tencent and Bytedance appeal these Executive Orders? -What is the status of the CFIUS investigation into Bytedance and its 2017 acquisition of Musical.ly and how does that interplay with the discussions now on banning TikTok? -What is coming next with respect to a potential sale to Microsoft or Twitter? -How have CFIUS investigations driven other companies to be sold when held by Chinese buyers? -How is the Administration using the Executive Order and the CFIUS investigation together as a coherent strategy? -Was it obvious back in 2017 that Bytedance should have made a CFIUS filing for its acquisition of Musical.ly? -How does the acquisition of a lip-synching app like Musical.ly trigger national security concerns? -Can any Chinese company that handles a large amount of personal data on US citizens put in place mitigation measures to that will actually satisfy CFIUS in the current political environment? -Is CFIUS really the right tool to be using to screen foreign companies and especially Chinese companies from doing business with large amounts of data or acquiring sensitive technology in the US?

    S1E14 - Making Wise Career Decisions

    S1E14 - Making Wise Career Decisions

    Joey tells us about his story of moving to the US as a young kid and learning through mentors and internships to find what he loved to do in life.  Art Dicker joins the discussion as well, and Joey and Art discuss how people can make wise career decisions and avoid mistakes when deciding to enter professional fields like finance or law.

    S1E13 - Managing an Effective Compliance Program in Asia

    S1E13 - Managing an Effective Compliance Program in Asia

    2:10 How prior government experience helped Kim in her compliance role today.

    3:13 What kind of compliance issues are unique to a retail business?

    4:26 Is the scope of a typical compliance role becoming broader now to cover things like data privacy?

    8:20 How do you get your message across in training the business teams?

    12:04 How do you do trainings for 3rd party business partners such as vendors and distributors?

    13:18 Any differences between working with the business teams in China and in other parts of Asia Pacific?

    16:38 How to get the senior management to help drive and support the compliance program?

    21:21 How about empowering middle management who are often the first to encounter problems?

    23:40 Making your presence felt in the region when the compliance team sits in the regional headquarters.

    26:38 Is face time still important in a compliance program with the prolific use of video conferencing now?

    28:20 Business is getting done despite a dramatic reduction in travel and entertainment with clients because of COVID-19.  Will this lead to a permanent reduction in compliance risk to the company?

    29:05 What do you see as changing trends for compliance in Asia Pacific?

    S1E11 - Employment Law for Expats in China

    S1E11 - Employment Law for Expats in China

    Jeffrey has a decade of experience at JunHe LLP, and specializes in China's employment and sports law. In our first episode co-hosted with the American Chamber of Commerce Shanghai's China Voices podcast, we spoke with Jeffrey about some of the key employment law issues that have arisen for foreigners in China during the COVID-19 pandemic, including if a company can force you to be tested or quarantined and if a company can fire you if you're stuck outside the country. 

    S1E10 - How a Startup Manages its Stakeholders

    S1E10 - How a Startup Manages its Stakeholders

    A startup has numerous "stakeholders" - investors, advisors and mentors, employees, customers, media, and the government.  We lay out what makes good stakeholders, how they work together, and how there can be potential for conflict.

    Our panel discussion includes:

    -Barbara Ex is the founder of Whitespace

    -Julian Mintzis is a startup investor and CEO of Panda Eagle Group

    -Helen Han is a startup investor and mentor at Chinaccelerator

    -Art Dicker is a lawyer and founder of the China Business Law Podcast.

    This week our show is hosted by Agnes Wang, a lawyer in China and co-creator at the show.

    S1E9 - Deciding to Go In-house in a Changing Legal Industry

    S1E9 - Deciding to Go In-house in a Changing Legal Industry

    1:58 – How has the legal industry changed in the last few years?

    8:38 – How “biglaw” came about and how it is hit now in a recession.

    11:30 – Clients questioning what they’re paying for from firms and how firms will adapt?

    15:56 – How is this affecting people’s decision to go in-house?

    21:00 – Law firms integrating into clients and self-disciplining on fees and work scopes.

    24:20 – How are in-house counsel expanding their roles within companies?

    32:35 – Are in-house lawyers making themselves obsolete by automating process and increasing efficiencies?

    40:50 – How people and cultural skills are more important than ever for lawyers especially in-house.

    45:20 – How in-house lawyers can drive the decision-making process in a big company.

    51:42 – A call to making change in your legal department and its role in the company.

    S1E8 - Due Diligence on Suppliers in China

    S1E8 - Due Diligence on Suppliers in China

    3:50 – Basic product quality and safety due diligence

    9:40 – Engaging third party inspectors in China

    11:50 – Engaging third party agents for sourcing product

    15:55 – Anti-bribery and fraud prevention

    20:06 – Diligence requests to and background research on your counterparties

    25:18 – Documenting the terms of the transaction in your contract (and getting a lawyer)

    30:31 – Identifying red flags and making the decision to walk away from an offer

    33:55 – Reputational background search on other key players in the transaction

    Startup Fundraising in Difficult Times

    Startup Fundraising in Difficult Times

    1:45 – What kind of funding environment are we in now?

    4:08 – Will and how would VC funds try to back out of deals?

    7:05 – Why VCs may be reluctant to put in more capital to existing portfolio companies.

    12:15 – Alternatives to VC funding

    14:48 – Investor veto rights – fundraising, change in business models, redemption threats

    22:45 – Legal issues for startups trying to reduce costs

    25:50 – Predictions on what will change post-virus

     

    The Current State of Data Privacy Law in China

    The Current State of Data Privacy Law in China

    1:35 Introduction to the Cybersecurity Law

    5:00 Which regulators are competing for jurisdiction?

    7:14 How much adaptions do companies have to make to localize their policies?

    9:00 How do smaller companies try to comply in a cost-efficient way?

    15:20 Coming up with a policy doesn’t have to be rocket science.

    17:20 Where do company policies break down?

    22:55 Problems of the “ownership” of data policies within big companies

    25:40 Companies changing data compliance from a cost center to a value proposition

    28:45 Personal liability on data protection officers and legal representatives within companies 

    31:18 Will the coronavirus situation impact data collection and data privacy in China?

     

    Force Majeure and Contract Non-performance During the Coronavirus Crisis

    Force Majeure and Contract Non-performance During the Coronavirus Crisis

    3:00 - What is force majeure?

    5:28 - Are force majeure clauses always in contracts and what’s standard?

    8:48 - What if the contract is silent on this issue and how does governing law matter?

    11:26 - Force majeure often doesn’t totally excuse the party to perform the contract

    14.16 - Chinese trade association issuing force majeure certificates now, what value do these have?

    17:50 - How should foreign companies be preparing now for Chinese companies potentially using a force majeure clause in their contracts?

    Bonus questions:

    23:55 - A lot of parents in China, expats, etc., sending their kids to private schools in China which can’t open.  What can they do?

    31:18 - What kind of personality do you need to have to handle sticky issues like force majeure cases and compliance issues generally as a lawyer?

     

    The Legal Department's Role in Responding to the COVID-19 Crisis

    The Legal Department's Role in Responding to the COVID-19 Crisis

    1:15 – How today’s situation compares to Kenny’s time as Legal Director at Kodak China during SARS.

    4:00 – What other kind of types of crisis can we look to for guidance here?

    9:25 - How can companies use a crisis management framework to respond?

    15:08 – The specific role of the legal department in responding.

    21:58 – Might the Legal Department actually be one of the best equipped BU’s to address long-term issues involved in a crisis like this?

    29:15 – How crisis can create an opportunity for the Legal Department to show its value in terms of strategy for the company. 

    30:55 – How Legal Managers can behave like an owner of the business during times like this.

    Effectively Communicating With Clients - with Jon Hicks, Counsel at Netflix

    Effectively Communicating With Clients - with Jon Hicks, Counsel at Netflix

    3:00 - The most common disputes with employees at companies.

    4:00 - How Jon handles disagreements with colleagues/internal clients

    5:45 - Does a legal training get in the way of good communication?

    11:15 - Why you should never surprise someone with your decision

    12:10 - Coaching managers to communicate well on terminations

    13:45 - How to impart legal concepts using non-legal language

    16:00 - Lawyers and non-verbal communication mishaps

    19:20 - Avoiding the temptation to want to look smart with clients

    21:10 - Talking about the law in terms of fairness not rules

    22:30 - How company policies can hinder effective decision making

    27:00 - Handling political correctness, bad jokes, etc within companies

    Terminating Employees in China - with Lesli Ligorner, Partner at Morgan Lewis

    Terminating Employees in China - with Lesli Ligorner, Partner at Morgan Lewis

    1:05 - Typical termination case profiles

    1:55 - Dealing with termination cases already in flight

    4:02 - Handling situations where no clear legal grounds for termination

    5:50 - How badly should a company pay to make employee go away

    10:21 - Handling employees who just refuse to go

    13:15 - Advance preparation for terminating employee

    16:20 - Performance improvement plans

    18:10 - Coordinating HQ-local cross-border termination cases

    23:07 - How can outside counsel offer practical risk assessments

    27:50 - Enjoying the practice of law in China as an expatriate

    The New Foreign Investment Law - with Yvonne Cheng, King & Wood Mallesons

    The New Foreign Investment Law - with Yvonne Cheng, King & Wood Mallesons

    1:05 - Basic principles of the law

    3:40 - Implementing the law on the ground

    10:30 - Sectors that could come off the "Negative List" in the future

    15:15 - Impact of new corporate governance rules

    19:17 - Some JVs being compelled to amend corporate governance  

    21:30 - Opportunities for VC funds to use more domestic structures

    24:45 - The law and the future of VIE structures

     

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