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    Discipling By Jesus

    The only real answer is Jesus. The only real problem is Sin. The only real work is the Cross. In the end, we only have Him. Discipling by Jesus (DBJ) is a group "co-devotional" practice for encountering the crucified Christ. By working through His Word & Spirit, Body & Blood we explore greater depths of the Father’s love as we surrender to the Holy Spirit.
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    Decenter Civilization

    Decenter Civilization

    # Decenter Civilization 

    - Civilization as we know it is endemically (widely? intrinsically?) corrupt
    - This corruption is manifest in individuals caught up in a systemic web of toxic incentives
    - We can't go back to "innocent" societies of autonomous villages
    - God wants us to seek something better

    What should be our response?
    - our goal
    - our role
    - our soul

    ## Systemic Corruption

    1. Societies become (imperial) civilizations to provide more of a scarce public good (typically military security vs long-term threats)
    2. Centralized systems are the easiest way to increase productivity for those scarce goods [also create an umbrella for "boutique" decentralized alternatives]
    3. Only when systems are sophisticated enough to have an "intent" can we have aligned versus mis-aligned incentives ("corruption")
    4. We have to go beyond that system to discuss whether such corruption is "evil"

    ## Compare: The Logos Cycle

    https://twitter.com/microurbanism/status/1667589489869590530

    - Logos defines an identity
    - Existence as homeostasis: compressible/durable
    - How local costs create global benefit

    - Sin is violation of that logos
    - Without logos there is no sin
    - Once there is logos, sin is inevitable 
    - Adding new logos to fix the old sin creates complexity that causes more sin

    - To do better, we must crucify the old logos to birth a new one
    - The best we can do is to get better at the cycle of crucifixion and new birth 

    https://www.youtube.com/@datocracy

    Systemic Redemption (of Civilization)

    Systemic Redemption (of Civilization)

    What is the source of large-scale, structural evil?
    Is it endemic to civilization?
    Can civilization be reformed, or must it be transformed?

    # Decenter Civilization 

    - Civilization as we know it is endemically (intrinsically?) corrupt
    - This corruption is manifest in individuals caught up in a systemic web of toxic incentives
    - We can't go back to "innocent" societies of autonomous villages
    - God wants us to seek something better

    What should be our response?
    - goal
    - role
    - soul

    Peaceful See/Sea/Seat

    Peaceful See/Sea/Seat

    Discussion of 5/21 Poem: Peaceful See

    Robby's Feel/Like/Observe/Wonder:

    1. F: Ambivalent
    2. L: Moving from Blindness to Seeing
    3. O: Focuses on sin within
    4. W: Is this the ONLY way God calls us to overcome societal evil?

    Ernie's response:

    1. I prefer the category of "cultural" evil, which includes both personal and societal evil caused by our conditioning
    2. I agree God the Father often calls us to "oppose" external evil [with lesser evils], but Christ invites us to overcome it with good. 

    1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭16‬-‭21‬

    “Suppose you see one of our people commit a sin that isn't a deadly sin. You can pray, and this person will be given eternal life. But the sin must not be one that is deadly. Everything that is wrong is sin, but not all sins are deadly. We are sure God's children do not keep on sinning. God's own Son protects them, and the devil cannot harm them. We are certain we come from God and the rest of the world is under the power of the devil. We know that Jesus Christ the Son of God has come and has shown us the true God. And because of Jesus, we now belong to the true God who gives eternal life. Children, you must stay away from idols.”

    Next Time: Defining "Law" and "Freedom"

    Divine Exercise w/Elijah Ware

    Divine Exercise w/Elijah Ware

    Prior conversations

    Other references


    Cross-Training to Love

    Cross-Training to Love

    Luke 9:18-27 (Who is Jesus to Me?)

    1 John 1
    The Incarnation of the Word of Life

    1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes,which we have looked at and our hands have touched—this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. 2 The life appeared; we have seen it and testify to it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. 3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ. 4 We write this to make our[a] joy complete.


    Light and Darkness, Sin and Forgiveness

    5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all[b] sin.

    8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

    Command Performance

    Command Performance

    https://www.bible.com/bible/100/rom.8.13-14.NASB1995

    for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live. For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

    Someone just claimed that a) this is the only verse that explicitly talks about "being led by the Spirit" and b) it is focused primarily on "holiness" rather than "guidance."

    This would be a significant shift from how I’ve thought about being Spirit-led. I’m curious whether it matches your understanding or experience!

    What if… being led by the Spirit is a good practice, but bad theology, because it takes our focus away from obeying Christ’s commands?

    Not Seeing Jesus on the Road to Emmaus

    Not Seeing Jesus on the Road to Emmaus
    • What causes divisions among us? 
    • Is totalitarianism ever part of God's plan? 
    • Aren't pornography and addictive drugs contrary to "Kingdom Values?" 
    • Has the mainstream narrative started to squelch alternatives? 
    • Is it important to restore what we have lost? 
    • Wouldn't we be better off with a more scientific approach?

    References

    “And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.”

    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:28-29‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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