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    Hidden in Plain Sight: All Things Asian in the Workplace

    We are three organizational psychologists - Duoc, Eccho, and Jenny -  here to discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly on all things Asian in the workplace. Each episode will break down a specific topic, such as how stereotypes play into pay negotiation, what professional development looks like for Asian employees, and what forms of bias, stereotypes, and microaggressions Asian professionals have to navigate, and so much more. We draw from current events  and from the organizational behavior and psychological research (because we are nerds) to share tips and advice on how best to navigate tricky organizational dynamics. We invite anyone - whether you’re a practitioner working in this space or a casual listener -  with an interest  in this topic to tune in so that we as a community can all play an active role in shaping a more inclusive workplace!

    If there's a topic you'd like us to explore, questions regarding what we discussed, or you wanna drop us a line to let us know what you'd like us to do more or less of, you can reach us at: Hipsata1@gmail.com.


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    Episodes (15)

    Dream Design: Asian Leadership Development Program

    Dream Design:  Asian Leadership Development Program

    What would a leadership development program that speaks to the Asian  and Asian American experience look like? This episode focuses on the essential topics we would include if we could design a leadership program meant for us. Over the next several episodes, we’ll cover topics, skills, and dream speakers we would feature in this program.

    If you had the opportunity to develop a leadership program for Asian and Asian American leaders, what other topics would you include? Let us know at Hipsata1@gmail.com

    Business Report Deep Dive: Reading between the lines of the written and unwritten

    Business Report Deep Dive: Reading between the lines of the written and unwritten

    In this episode, we breakdown a white paper written about feedback and how it pertains to Asian professionals. What did the paper reveal about the type of feedback Asians receive from their managers, and how should we interpret these findings? Should we be skeptical? We discuss these questions and share how to be a savvy consumer of these types of business reports!

    Laugh out loud: Asian comedians

    Laugh out loud: Asian comedians

    We've been talking about a lot of heavy topics, so we wanted to lighten the mood. This episode was extra special because the three of us recorded this in a co-located space when we got together in NYC. We chat about our favorite and not-so-favorite Asian comics, while discussing how humor can relate to the workplace! 

    Articles for Nerds

    Strategies for managing impressions of racial identity in the workplace

    https://hbr.org/2018/11/the-benefits-of-laughing-in-the-office

    Our raw take on affirmative action: Where do Asians and Asian Americans fit in? Part 1

    Our raw take on affirmative action: Where do Asians and Asian Americans fit in? Part 1

    Happy new year! We are back! In our first episode of Season 2, we have an honest discussion about affirmative action. We first define it, talk a little bit about its history, and discuss the impact of the recent decision to reverse affirmative action in higher education and what downstream repercussions it may have on Asians in the workplace.

    Articles for nerds

    Asian American Discrimination in Harvard Admissions

    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.euroecorev.2022.104079

    Negative action against Asian Americans

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=707624#:~:text=Jerry%20Kang,-University%20of%20California&text=By%20negative%20action%2C%20I%20mean,had%20that%20person%20been%20White

    MBTI, is it any good?

    MBTI, is it any good?

    In this episode, we talk about the ins and outs of assessments, including the MBTI and how they are used in the workplace. Tune in to hear about the research, our thoughts, and the haiku!

    Articles for Nerds!

    How The Myers-Briggs Personality Test Began In A Mother's Living Room Lab

    https://www.npr.org/2018/09/22/650019038/how-the-myers-briggs-personality-test-began-in-a-mothers-living-room-lab

    Persona Documentary Trailer

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWBXniurrA0

    'If They Have It, It's Undeniable': Lorne Michaels On Casting 'SNL'

    https://www.npr.org/2015/10/09/446867421/if-they-have-it-its-undeniable-lorne-michaels-on-casting-snl

    Leadership perceptions as a function of race–occupation fit: The case of Asian Americans. (Sy et al.,  2010)

    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2010-16991-001

    An interview Professor Thomas Sy

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=135513478

    How Women End Up on the “Glass Cliff”

    https://hbr.org/2011/01/how-women-end-up-on-the-glass-cliff

    Differential Item Functioning by Sex and Race in the Hogan Personality Inventory. (Sheppard et al., 2006)

    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2006-20568-008

    Employee resource groups: Helpful, harmful, or just PR?

    Employee resource groups: Helpful, harmful, or just PR?

    In this episode, we talk broadly about why some AAPI professionals don’t feel supported in Employee Resource Groups (ERG) and how that feeling and experience translate to other areas. As usual, we draw from the research and our own experience to discuss what lack of support looks like; what could be driving this trend; and what to do about it.

    Let us know about your perspective. How supported do you feel at work?Reach us at: Hipsata1@gmail.com

    Haiku

    Amidst hate and fear
    Solidarity will show
    Love for all Asians!

    Articles for Nerds!

    Asian Americans most likely to join employee diversity groups but don't feel supported, report says

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/asian-americans-likely-join-employee-diversity-groups-dont-feel-suppor-rcna76209

    AAPI Data|Momentive poll: 2023 diversity in American life

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/curiosity/aapi-data-2023/

    Asian Researchers Face Disparity With Key U.S. Science Funding Source

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/04/science/asian-scientists-nsf-funding.html

    Nguyen, D. V., Block, C. J., Kim, J. Y., & Yu, H. (in press). General and Stereotype-based Microaggressions Experienced by Asians and Asian Americans in the workplace: A Qualitative Study. American Behavioral Scientist.

    What to do about stereotypes in the workplace?

    What to do about stereotypes in the workplace?

    In this episode, we continue the conversation about stereotypes and their effects, but provide a positive spin! Specifically, we focus on coping strategies and how we’ve managed to deal with common workplace stereotypes. Tune in to find out more about how we coped with these experiences and whether any of our examples resonate with you!

    Haiku
    Stereotypes bind
    Empathy breaks the stronghold
    Hearts embrace what’s real

    Articles for Nerds

    Inside the prism of an invisible threat: Shining a light on the hidden work of contending with systemic stereotype threat in STEM fields.

    https://tinyurl.com/9mbr96tf

    How to Overcome Stereotypes in Your Organization

    https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/how-stereotypes-affect-an-organization

    Dealing with stereotypes and their effects

    Dealing with stereotypes and their effects

    In this episode, we continue the conversation about stereotypes and their effects, but provide a positive spin! Specifically, we focus on coping strategies and how we’ve managed to deal with stereotypes in the workplace. Tune in to find out more about how we coped with these experiences and whether any of our examples resonate with you!

    Haiku

    Stereotypes bind

    Empathy breaks the stronghold

    Hearts embrace what’s real

    Articles for Nerds

    Inside the prism of an invisible threat: Shining a light on the hidden work of contending with systemic stereotype threat in STEM fields.

    https://tinyurl.com/9mbr96tf

    How to Overcome Stereotypes in Your Organization

    https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/how-stereotypes-affect-an-organization

    Stereotypes and stereotype threat in the workplace

    Stereotypes and stereotype threat in the workplace

    In this episode, we talk about typical stereotypes that manifest for Asians and Asian Americans in the workplace and how they can sometimes lead to stereotype threat. Tune in to hear about our experiences and some of the current research!

    Haiku

    Boxed mind weaves tails wild

    Laughter breaks through biased walls

    Truth smiles, stereotypes fall

    Articles for Nerds

    Stereotype Threat

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9174398/

    HBR - Why Women Feel More Stress at Work

    https://hbr.org/2016/08/why-women-feel-more-stress-at-work

    Breaking the glass ceiling on the screen and in the workplace?

    Breaking the glass ceiling on the screen and in the workplace?

    In this episode, we celebrate Michelle Yeoh’s Oscar win, discuss how Asian and Asian Americans fit in Hollywood, and explore how that pertains to the workplace as well as implications on leadership outcomes. 

    Articles for Nerds

    Asian Americans Are the Least Likely Group in the U.S. to Be Promoted to Management

    https://hbr.org/2018/05/asian-americans-are-the-least-likely-group-in-the-u-s-to-be-promoted-to-management

    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Asian American Leaders in Silicon Valley

    https://asiasociety.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/HiddenInPlainSight_Paper_042.pdf

    Barely Crack in the Asian Glass Ceiling https://static1.squarespace.com/static/621f898a98dc785cd663ab7b/t/6411f34f7e8c0f338f50f144/1678898001325/Barely%2BBreaking%2Bthe%2BAsian%2BGlass%2BCeiling.pdf

    Time Magazine: A Comprehensive Guide to the Ghost in the Shell Controversy

    http://time.com/4714367/ghost-in-the-shell-controversy-scarlett-johansson

    Washington Post: 98 times a white actor played someone who wasn’t white

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/01/28/100-times-a-white-actor-played-someone-who-wasnt-white/

    Overcompensating and bulletproofing

    Overcompensating and bulletproofing

    In this episode, we start out by breaking down a tweeted photo of Elon Musk with his “extremely hardcore” employees. We discuss the superficial meaning and the subtleties of this picture and unearth the potential repercussions and the narrative presented by this photo, questioning what options employees on visa status truly have in a “hardcore” organization.

    We reflected upon the concept of overcompensating/bullet proofing in our own line of work and how we have navigated the tendency to be “pigeon-holed.” We share personal examples while drawing from findings from the organizational psychology research, touching on how Asians are confined to certain non-leader roles and how we as podcasts hosts are working to break that narrative.

    Elon Musk with “hardcore” employees

    https://www.businesstoday.in/technology/news/story/elon-musk-posts-pictures-with-engineers-leaving-a-code-review-on-twitter-353449-2022-11-19

    Articles for Nerds:

    Prevention vs. Promotion Focus

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00726/full#B26

    Saying “No” at work

    https://hbr.org/2017/01/hbrs-best-on-saying-no-to-more-work

    Chat GPT Haiku

    Break free from the mold

    Embrace your unique journey

    Flourish on your path

    Know your worth, and pay it forward

    Know your worth, and pay it forward

    In episode 2, we talk about the Lunar New Year and how some people have to navigate it in the workplace. We dive into how organizations can play a role in spearheading changes to make a more equitable, inclusive, and safe workplace. 

    We discuss Michelle Yeoh and the golden globes speech and how that moment defied Asian stereotypes, and what that may mean for our community in the workplace. We play myth busting with the concept of Asians being crazy rich and dive deeply into salary negotiation and its importance. 

    Michelle Yeoh and the golden globes speech

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHpDqn0nlK8

    Salary databases — Know your worth!

    Tech start ups 

    https://www.builtinnyc.com/salaries

    Salary for Industrial/organizational psychologist  

    https://www.newhaven.edu/_resources/documents/arts-sciences/graduate-programs/industrial-organizational-psychology/siop-income-employment-report-2022.pdf

    Higher Education Institutions

    https://www.chronicle.com/page/special-note-about-the-chronicles-faculty-and-staff-pay-data

    Keep in mind, if the college/university is public, there is a good chance that salary data is public in that state. Google is your friend! 

    Federal Salary

    https://www.federalpay.org/gs/2023

    Article for nerds 

    Asians don't ask? Relational concerns, negotiation propensity, and starting salaries.

    https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2022-58136-001

    GPT Haiku

    Know your work, be bold

    Negotiate your high value

    Claim what you deserve 


    Say my name

    Say my name

    We are three organizational psychologists and friends who are going to give you the lowdown on the good, the bad, and the ugly on the Asian experience in the workplace. Hidden in Plain Sight covers a range of workplace topics as they relate to the Asian experience. We include perspectives from Asian American Pacific Islander (AAPI) and  international Asians working in the U.S. Each episode breaks down a specific workplace concept - whether it's pay negotiation, professional development, or racial microaggressions, and we discuss how they relate to Asians, bringing in relevant evidence from the organizational and psychological research, and sharing tips and advice on how best to navigate these situations. Though this podcast is about the Asian experience, we invite anyone with an interest in this topic to tune in!