In a World…where we are still on our "Summer" Hiatus, so to tide you over we have created a new Clip Show!
We hope to be back soon, but in the meanwhile please enjoy this episode which features six different improv games, one from each of the first 6 episodes of 2022.
This "episode" is just a quick announcement - we are takinga. break for the summer and hope to be back soon. In the meantime, this would be a perfect time to go back into our back catalog and listen to all those episodes you may have missed in the past!
In a World of…criminals who operate above the law, one man, Simon, along with his sentient Volkswagen Minibus, is a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the Department of Unending Charity, Humanity, and Excellence. Stumbling on a plot where a small community is about to be devastated by an evil man who seeks to further his own ends, Simon must get involved and protect the innocent, the helpless and the powerless.
This episode features the improv games Best of Times, Worst of Times, Last Letter, First Letter, 2-Word Typewriter, Pardon, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to Knight Rider (and other “vehicle based TV shows from the 80s…”). In the 80s, there was a string of TV shows featuring a man with a very cool vehicle, and each week he would arrive in a small town and stumble upon a criminal enterprise, usually where a rich powerful man was taking advantage of a good-hearted, community minded, small business owner. There was a LOT of shows like this, but only one with a sentient, talking car, so that’s the way we went!
Links:
Knight Rider on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight_Rider_(1982_TV_series)
Time Codes
Discussing the Genre, Tropes, and Outline: 05:03
Start of show: 19:02
Improv Game - Best of Times, Worst of Times: 22:19
Bugged By Crime Music Intro (a la Knight Rider): 30:48
Improv Game - First Letter, Last Letter: 32:52
Improv Game - 2-Word Typewriter: 45:22
Improv Game - Pardon: 1:00:15
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:09:41
End of show, into announcements: 1:23:41
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In a World…where the last unexplored frontier on Earth is not on Earth, but under it. Deep under water. One deep water crew, with the best of intentions of finding healing algae, will release something that was never meant to be released. Can they survive the wet slimy death creature…?
This episode features the improv games Last Letter First Letter, Emotional List, Ding, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to underwater sci-fi horror movies. Basically, these movies are all knock-offs of Alien, just instead of being set in space they are set at the bottom of the ocean (No on can hear you scream there either). There was a year in the 80’s where six(!) of these movies were released, but there have been some more recent releases in this sub-genre, like Underwater with Kristen Stewart.
Links
Leviathan on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan_(1989_film)
Deep Star Six on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeepStar_Six
Time Codes
Discussing the Genre, Tropes, and Outline: 04:35
Start of show: 20:22
Improv Game - Last Letter, First Letter: 25:58
Improv Game - Emotional List: 39:34
Improv Game - Ding: 50:18
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:04:06
End of show, into announcements: 1:20:04
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This episode features the improv games A to Z, Theater Genres, Murphy’s Law, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to those movies where man is hunted for sport. This is a style of movie that gets remade over and over, and it is usually ridiculous and almost always fun. Being an improv comedy thing, ours sort of expands the boundaries of the genre with some, er, fantasy and sci-fi elements…
Links
The Most Dangerous Game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Most_Dangerous_Game_(1932_film)
Surviving the Game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surviving_the_Game
The Hunt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hunt_(2020_film)
Hard Target: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Target
Time Codes
Discussing the Genre, Tropes,and Outline: 04:52
Start of show: 19:26
Improv Game - A to Z: 24:58
Improv Game - Theater Genres: 34:20
Improv Game - Murphy’s Law: 50:23
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:01:04
End of show, into announcements: 1:09:56
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In a World of fantastical creatures, fire demons, castles, spears carrying swords, and more, one girls will find herself on a quest to rescue her best friend and save a world, all at the same time. Along the way she will overcome obstacles, make allies, and tap into her inner strength.
This episode features the improv games A to Z, Timed Styles, Gibberish Switch, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to those fun, sometimes cute, sometimes scary, often bewildering kids movies where a child finds themselves in a fantasy world and encounters a variety of dangers and creatures. Who are usually made up and have crazy, weird names. And who are portrayed by puppets. It’s a lot of fun, and we managed to capture the feel of these wacky, charming movies (if we do say so ourselves…).
Links
Labyrinth on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_(1986_film)
The Neverending Story on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_NeverEnding_Story_(film)
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussing the Genre. Tropes, and Outline: 04:22
Start of show: 18:03
Improv Game - A to Z: 21:20
Improv Game - Timed Styles: 31:02
Improv Game - Gibberish Switch: 38:58
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 48:41
End of show, into announcements: 1:03:13
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In a world…where some people dream of being a Mountie, while others are just trying to get a new start on life, one group of hapless misfits will attempt to come together to join one of the most elite crime fighting organizations in the world: The Mounties!
This episode features the improv games Trailer in a Minute, Superheroes, Blind Line, Emotional Lists, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to “Training Movies.” The movies where the bulk of the story involves the training of a group of varied misfits (sometimes who are little more than cliches or stereotypes) learning how to come together so they can graduate. We focused mostly on comedies, like Stripes, Police Academy, and Feds, but in the episode we realized that a lot of movies fall into this category, like Top Gun and Full Metal Jacket!
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Links
Stripes on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stripes_(film)
Police Academy on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_Academy_(film)
Feds on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feds
Time Codes
Discussion the Genre, Tropes, and Outline: 06:33
Start of show: 23:30
Improv Game - Trailer in a Minute: 25:38
Improv Game - Superheroes: 30:23
Improv Game - Blind Line: 43:43
Improv Game - Emotional Lists: 56:43
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 58:03
End of show, into announcements: 1:21:12
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This week features a “very special episode” of the podcast! No, there is no deep life lesson about growing up, family, or safety, but there is learning…
In this episode, Mike and Avish take a break from the improv performance to take a look back at the first six episodes of this year and share their thoughts on each episode as a whole, ideas on the creative storytelling process, and their reflections and feedback on some of the improv games they played on those episodes.
It’s a fun episode that still has lots of humor in it, but it is also a great chance to see a little bit begins the scenes and get some ideas on creativity, storytelling, and improv comedy!
If you like this format, let us know as we are thinking of making it a regular thing.
On this episode we discuss the following episodes (with time codes if you want to jump to a specific one):
Washing Away With Beauty (Disney): 04:54
Building Love (Romantic Comedy): 12:57
Destructible Future Cyberman (Dystopian Sci-Fi Action Police): 19:37
Gargle (teen Slasher): 25:47
Climbing Intensely Down (Undercover Adrenaline Cop): 32:51
Hedgehog-Man (MCU Origin Movie): 41:01
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Description:
In a World…Where some will do anything to forward their agenda, one group or terrorist vegans will slap down the white house in an attempt to veganize the world. Only one man, the President of the United States himself, can stop the terrorists, rescue the hostages and prevent the White House from being completely slapped!
This episode features the improv games Prologue in a Minute, Last Letter, First Letter, Scene No Letter, Best of Times, Worst of Times, Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to a truly ridiculous genre: White House Action movies! The ones where the president’s abode (or plane) is under attack, and it is up to the president to jump into action hero mode and stop the bad guys. These movies are usually not very good but also usually very entertaining. We certainly had a lot of fun performing it. And remember, we intend no offense towards vegans…
Links
Air Force One on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_One_(film)
White House Down on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Down
Olympus Has Fallen on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Has_Fallen
Time Codes
Discussion the Genre, Tropes, and Outline: 05:01
Start of show: 18:20
Improv Game - Prologue in a Minute: 21:58
Improv Game - Last Letter, First Letter: 25:20
Improv Game - Scene No Letter: 38:32
Improv Game - Best of Times, Worst of Times: 49:47
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:03:25
End of show, into announcements: 1:12:11
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In a World…where some will do anything to uncover an ancient secret dating back thousands of years, while others will do anything to keep such things secret, one man will be swept into a race against time to ensure that the most important discovery in centuries does not fall into the wrong hands.
This episode features the improv comedy games Prologue in a Minute, Pardon, He Said She Said, Newsroom, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to the thrillers of Dan Brown, specifically his Robert Langdon books: Angels and Demons, The Da Vinci Code, The Lost Symbol, and Inferno. Which is interesting, since Mike never actually read them or saw the movies…
Links
The DaVinci Code on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code_(film)
Dan Brown on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Brown
Robert Langdon on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Langdon
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre, Tropes, and Outline: 5:24
Start of show: 19:58
Improv Game - Prologue in a Minute: 22:23
Improv Game - Pardon: 24:29
Improv Game - He Said She Said: 32:49
Improv Game - Newsroom: 46:00
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 58:00
End of show, into announcements: 1:11:47
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In a World…where some people would be willing to dominate the world’s caviar supply by stealing and holding on to the world’s rarest caviar…one plucky group of thieves will commit to pulling off the ultimate heist: stealing it back!
This episode features the improv games Prologue in a Minute, Dating Game, Two-Word Typewriter, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to “Heist” movies. Those glorious (and sometimes convoluted) movies and TV shows where a small group of criminals (who are usually good people or only stealing from bad guys (or both)) have to create complicated plans to pull of daring and difficult - dare we say, “Impossible” heists (or “missions”). We specifically focus on Leverage (the TV show) but also the Mission:Impossible TV show and a number of movies. We also have some truly bad European accents…
Links
Leverage on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leverage_(American_TV_series)
Mission: Impossible on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission:_Impossible_(1966_TV_series)
The Vault on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vault_(2021_film)
The Italian Job on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Italian_Job_(2003_film)
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre, Tropes, and Outline: 09:28
Segment 2 - Showtime!: 24:40
Improv Game - Prologue in a Minute: 27:46
Improv Game - Dating Game: 30:25
Improv Game - Two-Word Typewriter: 44:42
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:03:37
End of show, into announcements: 1:28:48
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In a World where some schools are wonderful, safe, and well-off and some students have every opportunity, other schools and students struggle. One brave, noble, courageous teacher will buck the system and risk it all to make sure that his Denver area students have the opportunity to make their lives mean something by being able to attend Ski College despite the odds…
This episode features the improv comedy games 1-Sentence at a Time Trailer in a Minute, Superheroes (Cliche characters), Pardon, Question Switch, and Cutting Room
About This Episode:
In this episode, we pay homage to “savior teacher movies,” where a lower income, lower opportunity, at risk group of school students get paired with a teacher who believes in them, and goes above and beyond to help them believe in themselves. We hit the major cliches and tropes in this one, but seeing as how it’s improv comedy, things got silly real fast and it ended up being about wether the kids would be able to attend ski college…
More:
Links
Stand and Deliver in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand_and_Deliver
Dangerous Minds on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dangerous_Minds
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 06:06
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 16:36
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 20:45
Start of show: 25:54
Improv Game - 1-Sentence at a Time Trailer in a Minute: 27:36
Improv Game - Superheroes (Cliche characters): 30:26
Improv Game - Pardon: 39:28
Improv Game - Question Switch: 50:25
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:01:04
End of show, into announcements: 1:16:13
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In a World…where good cops may find themselves on their own…Lance Hurricane is a good cop, a good husband, and a good man. When he finds himself in the middle of a giant plot to corrupt the nation’s politicians, he must use his mastery of the martial art, “Octopus Fu,” to stop the plot, even if it drives him…Near to Exhaustion!
This episode features the improv comedy games Prologue in a Minute, Two-Word Typewriter, Ding, Gibberish Switch, and Cutting Room.
In this episode, we pay homage to a genre that we love, but that doesn’t really qualify as “good cinema.” But darn it, they are fun movies! And the genre is of course, classic Steven Seagal movies, specifically from his early days. His first four movies, where his movie titles all had three words. So much fun, so much fighting, so many bad one-liners, and so much terrible acting! Hopefully we did the genre justice, or else Seagal may come find us…
Links
Steven Seagal on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal
Hard to Kill on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_to_Kill
Out for Justice: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_for_Justice
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 05:56
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 16:25
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 20:15
Start of show: 24:08
Improv Game - Prologue in a Minute: 26:10
Improv Game - Two-Word Typewriter: 28:30
Improv Game - Ding: 37:17
Improv Game - Gibberish Switch: 46:40
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 55:58
End of show, into announcements: 1:08:36
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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: Alright, we are now going to spend a few minutes talking about the genre our experience with this kind of genre and i'm.
Avish Parashar: Also, getting into some of the clubs and commonalities and boy, there are some cliches in this sort of thing, yes, I thought I set a timer here it's gonna quack like a duck when it's done so Mike let's talk Steven seagal you and I kind of.
Avish Parashar: enjoyed and bonded over the years and our younger days were creating the martial arts regularly and watching this kind of nonsense.
Michael Worth: Oh yeah believing it actually was like functional martial arts and actually worked right.
Michael Worth: Alright, so how specific are we getting are we getting Steven seagal specific or just the general 80s like.
Avish Parashar: Probably the more Steven seagal specific at least right now I mean we don't have to jump into discussing the tropes but just kind of.
Avish Parashar: You know.
Avish Parashar: Like your thoughts on the Steven seagal genre in July.
Michael Worth: 1 of all first of all there's something gloriously nostalgic about this, because this this film, you know you gotta think when it came out in the 80s, it was done for the low budget like let's just get butts in the seats, and so the.
Michael Worth: The focus is on basically badass fight scenes and, most notably segall just like being completely invincible and he's never in any trouble like he just he goes he waits through the plebes he went to the lieutenant's any ways to the chief bad guy.
Avish Parashar: yeah it's ridiculous is that even when he fights the big bad guy he.
Avish Parashar: Barely gets touched.
Michael Worth: yeah I think the worst seattle's yet he got stabbed once by Tommy Lee Jones in under siege during the call a knife fight.
Avish Parashar: yeah.
Avish Parashar: And even though he looked so yeah this era where they it was an era before again, you know we recently recorded are taken episode, where it was like Liam neeson.
Avish Parashar: And we talked on that one about somewhere along the way they realize you get a good actor interaction movie it kind of elevates it.
Avish Parashar: This is from that era were all they were looking for someone who had action skill so yeah van damme will have like some martial arts training was like a dancer could you great body busy.
Avish Parashar: You have speak they go yeah Jeff speakman.
Avish Parashar: You got um, then you got say girl who was like a legitimate like whatever seventh degree a keto yeah no.
Avish Parashar: No real acting talent.
Avish Parashar: So i'm sure he would digress.
Avish Parashar: He definitely disagree.
Michael Worth: Oh yes, let's take all could do no wrong and to god's world seagal is the most cigar you can never say go.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah and even read stories like he's like one of the most.
Avish Parashar: hated guests outside of that live like when you talk about the cat stories like they talk like their worst guests he's like because he's like an attitude was like almost violent and just like arrogant.
Michael Worth: He also, I believe, had a big REP in Hollywood for like injuring a stuntman all the time because because you know he basically like.
Michael Worth: Like did the stunts like he was actually trying to do it, you know and like you do, like some of the dogs in the webinar because it's almost like most things.
Michael Worth: I don't think they're very practical, but if you're letting the dude get to your neck with that, like forearm strike and then he frickin does it.
Avish Parashar: like this yeah they're not I mean you know they're not like street fighting practical they'll work if you can lot you know it's not a matter of.
Avish Parashar: Like they're legitimate techniques that are very difficult to land in combat but the techniques themselves are like legitimate and that they'll work like to bend someone's risk that way they're going to flip over in a circle yeah.
Michael Worth: funny enough i'm going to go a little diatribe here a red because i've been training Brazilian Jiu jitsu and what all the upper belts are starting to train now.
Michael Worth: Our wrist locks but they're coming out of grappling so you're already kind of tangled up in the clothes, but these guys have been landing.
Michael Worth: Whatever the kota guys share they've been landing enough people but it's in a grappling contest and they all say the same thing, but the only reason I can get away with this is that you and I already touching each other and there's no punching.
Avish Parashar: bag yeah yeah it's not yeah exactly it's not like grabbing some of this out of the air.
Avish Parashar: But you know we also you know we watch movies about killer robots and space aliens and giant lizard so like I.
Avish Parashar: I love a like this, I love to see what I got fight scenes because they're so cool looking in there, so fluid and.
Michael Worth: Well, that that's the thing about.
Michael Worth: describing these fight scenes and Erica of the game we're going to do, because the the the cigar stuff since this new striking it's not like the bourne identity was like jerky camera back it's like this really cool stuff we're.
Michael Worth: Throwing a baseball BAT and to go like step to the side and throw the guy through a plate glass window, so the fight scenes of segall are super exciting and dramatic and everyone's getting thrown into objects and thrown into like you know storeroom, as you know, items in the store way.
Avish Parashar: That is also why they're so short, though, because, like.
Avish Parashar: there's no punching and kicking right so like in a normal a fight scene, you know Bruce Lee van damme Jackie Chan.
Avish Parashar: they're punching each other and they get hit like Oh, they come back and they fight they hit the other guy that Oh, they come back and they get hurt a little like, if you want really watch the same movie, especially with the henchmen it's like one move for enjoyment.
Avish Parashar: enjoyment attacks him.
Avish Parashar: He does the you know i'm gonna knock the elbow down and do the rich hand strike across your throat.
Avish Parashar: yeah that guy's done next I punches of all i'm going to sidestep grab your risk autograph reverse it up you're done.
Michael Worth: yeah.
Avish Parashar: It just one hit it's like that's me he just like.
Michael Worth: Yes, what i'm gonna do a sacrifice, if not he, like hip.
Michael Worth: throw like boom he's done right so so it's fun it's beautiful to watch but it's a really fast, which also brings up the whole like seagal just can kind of wade through people.
Michael Worth: um The second thing that I love about the signal is he's unabashedly like wants to be like the every man every in every movie he's like a family man he's an Italian he's like Roman Catholic like he's just like he's got his niche he's just.
Avish Parashar: Basically, got to be himself, because he can't act so.
Michael Worth: Basically he's himself he's he's his own perfect version of himself right like you know.
Michael Worth: yeah good father, a good husband like, although the cost of the force love him, it is like yeah that's that's art not imitating life.
Avish Parashar: yeah he stands up to power, he does what's right like regardless yeah.
Michael Worth: Speaking of power it's it's so the plots of these are also so gloriously paper thin that's so much fun to check out because that's part of the charm of this stuff it's like you just want a bunch of bad guys and you want a lone wolf to just take them down so they're just like.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah I mean we're talking about like the cliche is and stuff you know you've got.
Avish Parashar: yeah he's almost always rogue in some way you know.
Avish Parashar: People in charge are corrupt or they're not corrupt, but whatever he's been told to like lay off.
Michael Worth: Your time because the bad guys have too much political power.
Avish Parashar: yeah kind of thing yeah.
Avish Parashar: And that's also why he doesn't have backup so he's got to go in solo.
Avish Parashar: You can't trust anyone don't get help them.
Michael Worth: To, of course, because you say go right, you know so.
Avish Parashar: yeah and.
Michael Worth: um yeah and I think that the bad guys are just like good old fashioned bad guys that you love to hate they're always dealing drugs or like you know i'm in hard to kill a they're doing.
Avish Parashar: Articles drugs I think right, it was drug dealers know marked for death was drug dealers hard to kill with the politician.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah corrupt politician oh.
Michael Worth: Right, but he was killing politicians, he get his opium deal to remember the first met in the CIA in in Vietnam.
Avish Parashar: That was above the law.
Avish Parashar: Yes.
Michael Worth: wow so much diversity in this stuff.
Avish Parashar: yeah there's always a rich powerful person who's corrupting the system.
Avish Parashar: You know, for drugs or political power money or all of that.
Avish Parashar: It gets personal somehow you know either his family's killed like in hard to kill or attacked.
Avish Parashar: You know, once the bad guys realized he's trouble they kind of go after him and or is COP friends are killed so it gets personal.
Michael Worth: So and, by the way, that's The other thing is like right before we get started into the X three x four right before the final assault usually.
Michael Worth: He gets a couple of his buddies killed like they get they get targeted either they are they buy him time to get away and they die or they just get targeted by the bad guy and that's kind of the what pushes them over the edge, you know because I don't.
Michael Worth: yeah I don't only in hard to kill is the wife killed and that's because, in the very beginning kind of sets up the plot Sharon stone above the law, can you believe that is not killed.
Michael Worth: The Italian girl in out for justice is not killed and I kept my room marked for death through the wife is but no.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah so it's easy but yeah i've had some was targeted more often right the COP buddies are.
Avish Parashar: are taken out.
Michael Worth: yeah yeah righteous, and I mean honestly what makes the film great and let's talk about dialogue.
Avish Parashar: I was about to say there's some.
Avish Parashar: horrible dialogue and some terrible like one liner.
Michael Worth: But the dialogues usually like the bad dialogue it's usually say call you know it's, like the other actors actually have legit dialogue, I don't know what it is.
Avish Parashar: equal quality it's just the other actors are actual actors, so they can make it sound semi decent.
Avish Parashar: Plus they're trying to give him, like the shorts neck or one liners.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah.
Michael Worth: Which failed utterly I mean my God let's let's let's let's put up some of these gems where it's like yeah i'll take you to the bank body bank with.
Avish Parashar: bank.
Michael Worth: Of the blood banks over the place.
Michael Worth: Although it has my favorite like I just killed lieutenant line where he takes the pool cuny staff that throw that is that's killing my wife Fuck you and die.
Avish Parashar: yeah I do like that live.
Michael Worth: that's the one good one, but I can't think of a single other mind that he said that's remotely interesting, so what is about these movies that make it so far, because he's a wouldn't actor, the plots.
Avish Parashar: I thought you know they get to the point right the plot it's like.
Avish Parashar: it's like cake right.
Avish Parashar: it's like cake is nice but cake is really just a conveyance for frosting it's just the frosting delivery.
Avish Parashar: that's that's kind of the same movie right like the plot the movie the acting.
it's fine.
Avish Parashar: You know, but it's really just conveyance device for sega fight scenes like that's all.
Michael Worth: that's a good point yeah it is it delicious it's literally it's like why, why are they Why are these are crackers out because I want that pepperoni and that Brie.
Avish Parashar: Cheese exactly I mean that's why like that's why I received was like a legitimate mainstream movie because.
Avish Parashar: You got the single fight scenes but they actually managed to wrap it in a movie with a decently interesting plot, and you got you know Gary busey and Tommy Lee Jones I like real actors.
Michael Worth: And I bought a call was not nearly as involved that with with the script I think the script was actually written by a couple of Hollywood guys would actually had a legit three act.
Avish Parashar: structure so he.
Michael Worth: keeps it all the hell out of the way you know, and the same thing with executive decision couple that with the fact that they figured out let's get rid of steak on the first five.
Avish Parashar: that's true yeah they did they they asked him right in the beginning, so.
Avish Parashar: All right, so that is just about our time is about to go off here.
Avish Parashar: So that.
Avish Parashar: I think we talked about the genre enough here.
Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: Creating the outline, we are going to spend five minutes coming up with a high level outline for this movie we're going to use a four act structure.
Avish Parashar: And there's our starting point, we may veer from it, we may stick to it, who knows it's improvisation so we'll see alright, so there goes a timer alright, so what has to happen is this is really thin right it's like I said it's all the excuse of oh yeah act one we.
Michael Worth: will establish the COP and he gets in his first small time fight scene.
Avish Parashar: You know, like there's always like an opening little just to show that he's a badass.
Michael Worth: yeah I can't wait for us to invent his martial arts could be absurd.
Avish Parashar: Animal.
Michael Worth: Animal and then act one um.
Michael Worth: Well i'll say this, and tell me whether it's one or two he runs into his first encounter with So yes, he has a little scuffle, this is nothing new that's a couple people mugging an old lady pizza.
Michael Worth: But then he runs it was first encounter with the larger crime Arc like again with drugs he he see some kids selling drugs he gets shot and he finds out that there's a new drug on the scene and that starts to tie into there's something big going on.
Avish Parashar: So I don't know yeah I think I think act one usually ends with him stumbling onto the bigger thing like just like I said.
Avish Parashar: Maybe on a small lower level like yeah the kids selling drugs or you know stopping some crime, but he gets involved in whatever and you know, for the purpose of our show that might be combined with the opening fight, you know the opening little fight maybe the one that kind of.
Michael Worth: yeah yeah.
Avish Parashar: Perfect next into the bigger world.
Michael Worth: Sure sure.
Avish Parashar: But he's asked yeah kind of where he he stumbles upon the bad guys bad guys kind of syndicate or plan.
Michael Worth: Act two is him a teaming up with probably a couple of his buddy COPs to figure out who's doing what are learning about who the bad guy is a.
Avish Parashar: So this they almost always so yeah This is where this is the they're trying to figure things out and there's almost always a scene, where they go to some like.
Avish Parashar: gang hide out or dive bar some alleyway though the one biker gang always hangs out and he just wants to get some information, but of course there's a fight.
Michael Worth: So if I see right.
Michael Worth: So we've seen that right that gets the attention of the head bad guy that this that that are RSA golf guys is on to them, and that leads to act three, which is they've tried to kill segall is.
Michael Worth: This the show is going to be today they try to kill cigar that these two buddies are killed his force pulls them off the thing, and he goes rogue and that leads into act for me this is literally how easy, this is going to be right.
Avish Parashar: yeah I would say yeah then he goes rogue.
Avish Parashar: And then, and then usually there's some oftentimes there's some additional danger.
Avish Parashar: that's introduced right the end of act three like his family's in jeopardy, or you find out what the big plan is like Oh, you know this guy is gonna blow up this building on this day or you know the big deal going down.
Michael Worth: yeah yeah exactly so.
Avish Parashar: plan or personal issue I know.
Michael Worth: I had a couple something really funny and silly and then act for us literally him just going to the head villains um.
Michael Worth: You know, he does one or one or both things he had to go ahead villains layer and kills him and also tenants he goes and destroys the crime scene like it destroys the drunk supply quite as both.
Avish Parashar: yeah stop the crime and fights a bad guy and beats.
Michael Worth: and kills everybody and and barely takes a wound.
Avish Parashar: Barely takes it kills everyone.
Michael Worth: Your meters can't see this but i'm literally showing my sketch pad.
Avish Parashar: Right.
Avish Parashar: There you go that's about it so.
Avish Parashar: All right.
Avish Parashar: So that we finished we'd like.
Avish Parashar: got their outlining phase ever.
Michael Worth: Good what else isn't right let's get to it right oh.
This episode features the improv games prologue in a minute, emotional lists, best of times worst of times, ding, and cutting room.
This episode also features our friend and movie podcaster extraordinaire, Craig Price! Mike and
Avish had the pleasure to be a guest on Craig’s Matinee Heroes Podcast, as well has his super fun recasting game show, Cast-Off! Craig is a huge fan of Indiana Jones movies, so we use his expertise in our planning section.
In this episode, we pay homage to one of our absolute favorite heroes and movies: Indiana Jones! This episode specifically parodies Raiders of the Lost Ark (but we hope that we will do our first sequel with this one!). We hit most of the tropes of a good Indiana Jones movie and boy, did we have fun doing it!
Check out Craig’s Stuff!
Avish and Mike on Matinee Heroes talking about The Omen
Avish and Mike on Cast-Off! Recasting Interview with a Vampire
Avish and Mike on Cast-Off! Recasting Dick Tracy (COMING TODAY!)
Matinee Heroes Home Page (Cast-Off episodes are here too)
Links
Indiana Jones on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes with Guest Craig Price: 06:37
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 23:08
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 30:45
Start of show: 35:35
Improv Game - Prologue in a Minute: 38:08
Improv Game - Emotional Lists: 40:18
Improv Game - Best of Times, Worst of Times: 50:48
Improv Game - Ding: 1:00:00
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:08:51
End of show, into announcements: 1:26:00
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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
so mikey why don't you begin by letting everyone know what today's genre or starting movie is.
Michael Worth: This is such my pleasure i'm so excited to do this we're going to do a fantastic archaeology exploration type movie in the style of indiana Jones or King solomon's minds.
Avish Parashar: let's just say indiana Jones.
Avish Parashar: knock off, which is interesting because the book King solomon's mines came out.
Avish Parashar: The whole quarter main thing came out long before raiders of the lost Ark raiders lost Ark was almost it almost to that.
Michael Worth: It was it was an homage to the 30s pulp exploration, you know, doctors, the savage jungle and that kind of stuff.
Michael Worth: yeah but.
Avish Parashar: Once but once raiders lost Ark came out like cool let's get on this gravy train and they made an hour to Ellen quarter made movies, which were bad.
Avish Parashar: weather was bad I didn't even bother watching the second one, because.
Avish Parashar: The first of all, so bad.
Michael Worth: No it's so bad, it was so, but the best part about it was the fact that Jerry goes with it, the music and the end the score is like legit so uh yeah.
Avish Parashar: yeah Mike and I did a movie like podcast slash Facebook live for a while we review an 80s movie each week and we did this one, and it was terrible.
Avish Parashar: But we found is almost every week, we talked about how bad the movie was when are we talking about a bad movie the score was always amazing it's like they get better so that's three or like.
Michael Worth: This Jesus man well because they knew that we'll get to that a bit, but they knew that the movie was terrible and the only way they could possibly sell which it was to make at least make it sound epic right, so all right, so this.
Avish Parashar: We love we both love indiana Jones all genre but this episode is double specials got two additional reasons why it's extra special number one, we have to prep for this episode we interviewed our buddy Craig price.
Avish Parashar: was a great movie guy he hosts a podcast called matinee heroes.
Avish Parashar: which you can find a matinee heroes COM, or just look up matt night heroes on whatever he also hosts a a a kind of a game show called cast off that Mike and I have appeared on before and we're going to appear on again coming up soon depending when this comes out.
Avish Parashar: Where you compete against one recasting famous movie so Mike and I competed recasting interview with a vampire and now we're gonna get crazy.
Avish Parashar: So it's a lot of fun craig's a big movie guy he loves indiana Jones so we go in depth into the tropes.
Avish Parashar: So we're gonna do that for a trope discussion, the other reason that i'm excited about this genre.
Avish Parashar: Is that way back at this point about a year ago, when we first had the idea for this podcast we didn't know if this show format would work, so of course we just jumped in like good improvise it let's try it.
Avish Parashar: yeah very first one we ever tried was a indiana Jones movie now that was so new we were just testing stuff out we didn't even bother to record it, which is a shame, because it went really well.
Michael Worth: Did I did I was a good show you first really production entertainment, which is record everything record everything right.
Avish Parashar: yeah we.
Avish Parashar: should have recorded it we didn't.
Avish Parashar: But does the first time, returning to this so i've been almost a year since we've done in indiana Jones so we're gonna do today.
Avish Parashar: That one was called phineas Jones and the cult of Marmara um we're not going to do the call tomorrow, but we are going to stay with phineas Jones as our main character.
Avish Parashar: Yes, you'll see that further adventures of phineas Jones in the in the.
Michael Worth: unreleased or the release sequel to the unreleased original which has been lost in the midst of time.
Avish Parashar: Exactly it's like when there's a pilot that that's not aired but they still turn into a show that's.
Avish Parashar: that's what this is going to be like.
Michael Worth: it's gonna be.
Avish Parashar: So real quick before we get into all this craziness if you liked this show, if you like, what you hear.
Avish Parashar: Please give us a rating and review head over to wherever you listen to your podcasts ideally apple podcast give us a five star rating.
Avish Parashar: And if you feel so inclined, just a short review a couple sentences about what you like about the show, and why other should listen and help us out a lot it'll help others find the show and help us grow this podcast.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so we are going to start and again, our first segment, which is discussing the tropes we're going to drop in our conversation with Craig price.
Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: segment two, we are now going to create an outline Based on this information that we talked about with Craig and Mike and I know.
Avish Parashar: we're going to create a high level outline we're going to use a four act structure and again, this is a rough guide because of improv comedy we may not follow this outline exactly but there's going to be our rough guide of what happens in each segment of the story yep so like a.
Michael Worth: Oh man i'm already all this, you know mean indiana Jones but I love this stuff I think it's one of my favorite films Harrison ford's been in a first of all.
Avish Parashar: i'm making a call right so that's going on and i'll real far limb there.
yeah.
Avish Parashar: So contrary in that I like raiders of the lost Ark I know exactly.
Michael Worth: Being like I like to be in the conversation now that's different.
Michael Worth: That will be a bold statement yeah or or or the mosquito coast whoo that's it that's it that's it.
Michael Worth: So, first of all going to be the call right now, because I know this this this flow we're doing a prologue not a trailer because they always do a prologue that's a fun little cold open unrelated to the main quest.
Avish Parashar: yeah and.
Avish Parashar: For this prologue you will be the one singing anything goes in China.
Michael Worth: Yes, in China.
Michael Worth: Steven spielberg's wife right and play police gotten that right.
Avish Parashar: yeah at least wife at the time, I know they're still married or not.
Michael Worth: yeah who knows man and Hollywood whatever so uh it's pretty easy act act one is establishing of our character in his everyday life, because you know this guy is is not a.
Michael Worth: Just like in the library and indiana Jones he has a normal life and it gets sent out on missions uh and then the establishment of.
Michael Worth: Information that some artifact exists, whether it's oh we've got news clippings of somebody excavating this pyramid or whatever, and that is the gestation to send them out on a quest we don't see.
Avish Parashar: It so there's the prologue that act one is like.
Avish Parashar: You have the like the exposition yeah.
Michael Worth: The inciting the inciting information is really what it is.
Avish Parashar: yeah and then you either it's a conversation with the professor, you know the government comes in, or you know the villagers came to him in yeah yeah.
Michael Worth: orange or a private investor in who.
Michael Worth: You know, has an affair, the private investor in the last crusade.
Avish Parashar: Yes, yes, his.
Avish Parashar: intention is to walk the the snow walkers the Ad ads to the.
Michael Worth: he's like is he getting revenge because hog got purchase layout during the added innovation.
Avish Parashar: For those who don't know the bad guy in a holy grail or last crusade, is also the commander of the ad ads in empire strikes back.
Michael Worth: Exactly there it is.
Avish Parashar: Julian glover right.
Michael Worth: Yes, yes he's been he's been a bunch of things.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so.
Avish Parashar: Okay, so act one we establish that and then he goes on there's usually the first um he can investigate the first clue and.
Avish Parashar: So there's some action there's some some yeah and I think we found over the last few months that yo loser outlines, so we don't need a whole lot when we meet the hero first clue and you're going to use the meat, the female interest in in that first.
Michael Worth: And, and this is a great way, especially because that's that we've really tightened up our structure he's going to find the clues and act to.
Michael Worth: That get him to the object in APP three that's how we kind of parse it out and an APP to it's also going to have his first couple one or two for us probably one because it's shorter interacted with the bad guy and or his cronies.
Avish Parashar: Rights Act to heal me it'll be the bad guy he'll fail, I think, the one thing I read a book.
Avish Parashar: On screenwriting and it's talking about the concept of spectacular failure and it's like that's why indiana Jones is so good, not because he succeeds in fact he fails, like every step of the way he has failed spectacularly.
Michael Worth: yeah exactly.
Avish Parashar: don't act one you know they they get the first clue act to they pretty much like he basically it's like each actors just act one you get a clue.
Avish Parashar: That leads you to act two which ends with them fighting another clue which is X three of them fighting another clue and then an act for is when they find and then lose the final object yeah.
Michael Worth: or they finally did the end of that three and then kind of everything goes wrong and act for.
Avish Parashar: Sure, I guess, in.
Avish Parashar: In raiders lost Ark to actually find the Ark but then lose it and then have to get they ultimately lose it act for but right.
Avish Parashar: But basically it's just a clue clue.
Avish Parashar: Resolution.
Michael Worth: yeah exactly and and and every step of the way that you have to flush out a little bit of a couple of number one is that the enemy is almost always i'm able to become either not one step ahead but they're able to whenever.
Michael Worth: Whenever phineas gains is taken away so it's never like he gets there and they've already found the Ark and taking it it's like, no, no, he gets York and the bad guys swoop in like like cheap bullies in a playground, the second is.
Avish Parashar: it's almost like you're saying there's nothing you can have that I cannot take.
Michael Worth: I know it's like.
Michael Worth: Well, I got I hate the fridge.
Avish Parashar: Now let's go to let's go to the show today baby.
Michael Worth: So um but here's The other thing diabolical death traps and puzzles we don't have too many of them, but like that that'll be.
Avish Parashar: gather are like.
Avish Parashar: A lot, and you know what is it's it's the things we need this death traps.
Avish Parashar: And there's riddles and.
Michael Worth: puzzles and.
Avish Parashar: yeah puzzle the puzzle so death traps and puzzles.
Avish Parashar: yeah it's um and they'll kind of come in.
Avish Parashar: And they can be throughout like it can be an act to or activity or act for.
Michael Worth: Sure, for sure.
Avish Parashar: yeah when he def traps and puzzles.
Michael Worth: And then act for is a the following happens like there's look, you know whether or not we've they've got the artifacts in that three or where they get an act for.
Michael Worth: They they lose it right and then their witness the bad guys get greedy and they're witnessed to the.
Michael Worth: exposition of the power of the artifact and it basically killed on the bad guys and saves them right or or or you know that's so basically look at with a big part of that for is like.
Michael Worth: They opened pandora's box they shouldn't have done that, and then, and then we get to have all sorts of fun descriptions of all the cool things that happen.
Avish Parashar: yeah that's a real as artifact it ends up backfire on the good guys and.
Avish Parashar: Have those ones one other thing Oh, at some point if we're going to indiana Jones there's always some kind of creature issue like critters you know snakes.
Michael Worth: Oh rats.
Avish Parashar: rats bugs.
Avish Parashar: there's always like some kind of one of the traps or situations as.
Michael Worth: They have to open yeah man it's actually it's funny like when you think about all things that that Spielberg and Lucas, I put in this it actually is kind of a railroad movie plot, you know.
Avish Parashar: it's just.
Michael Worth: You kind of have to you have to tick the boxes, a little bit right.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah yeah I mean that's what we do right we just follow the guy was what makes indiana Jones movie without those elements at what point are we going to make sure aliens appear in this story.
Michael Worth: Not aliens extra dimensional beings.
Avish Parashar: entire discussion we just basically ignored the fact.
Avish Parashar: That crystal skull exists.
Michael Worth: Exactly, although and i'm going to wrap up with this one thing that people do forget and it's only because i'm in video games and I love and i'm working on adventure games right now and narrative games.
Michael Worth: There was a slew of high quality Lucas arts games, the Emperor tomb the staff Atlantis that were like legit puzzle games and or legit third person.
Avish Parashar: I.
Avish Parashar: You know what I knew they were, I never actually played any of them, but I always want to play the Atlanta when I heard amazing things about that one.
Michael Worth: Is that the one that was the classic king's quest where's the side scrolling adventure one, I think that.
Avish Parashar: I think that was maybe yeah probably I also like the whole tomb raider franchises essentially like.
Michael Worth: indiana Jones with.
Avish Parashar: Dr Jones variations of.
Avish Parashar: All right, well, that was our timer we got kind of a good basic outline so.
In a world…where some people will go to any lengths to get prized magnolia wood, one man will be forced to return to a life of violence to rescue the only thing he has left in the world that he cares about.
This episode features the improv games Trailer: Trailer in a minute, Last Letter First Letter, Pardon, Best of Times Worst of Times, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to Liam Neeson, who has become a genre unto himself. It all started with Taken, so that is the one that this mostly homages, but there are many Liam Neeson action movies out these days. There are also strong John Wick elements in this episode…
More:
Links
Taken on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taken_(film)
Liam Neeson Action Movies on EW.com: https://ew.com/movies/liam-neeson-action-movies-ranked/
Seth MacFarlane as Kermit the Frog doing the Taken monolog (at the 5:40 or so mark): https://youtu.be/AP_aom1IgqI
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 07:15
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 15:09
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 19:03
Start of show: 23:08
Improv Game - Trailer in a minute: 25:08
Improv Game - Last Letter First Letter: 27:42
Improv Game - Pardon: 33:35
Improv Game - Best of Times Worst of Times: 42:18
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 49:14
End of show, into announcements: 1:04:43
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In a World…where there are more things in nature that we don’t know than that we know…one noble expedition will awaken something more terrifying than they could imagine…
This episode features the improv comedy games Movie Trailer in a Minute, Last Letter, First Letter, Emotional List, and Cutting Room. Oh, and a giant Kangaroo…
This episode is an homage to giant creature movies like Godzilla and King Kong. And while in both of those franchises the monster eventually becomes a hero and ally of humanity, in this one we take the approach of the original movies, where the creature, while innocent, is a hude danger and must be stopped.
Links
Godzilla on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla
King Kong on Wikipedia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Kong
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 06:00
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 16:37
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 22:22
Start of show: 26:42
Improv Game - Movie Trailer in a Minute: 28:17
Improv Game - Last Letter, First Letter: 30:41
Improv Game - Emotional List: 47:00
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 56:28
End of show, into announcements: 1:13:46
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This episode features the improv comedy games Movie Trailer in a Minute, Best of Times / Worst of Times, Last Letter / First Letter, Blind Line, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to vampire hero movies - those awesome action movies where the vampire (at least one of them) is the hero. We recorded this to prep for Morbius, but since we hadn’t seen it yet this episode is much more of an homage to Blade.
It is also the first episode we recorded in 2022, and we tweak our format a bit. We hope you like it!
Links
Blade on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blade_(film)
Underworld on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld_(2003_film)
Morbius on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morbius_(film)
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes:
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline:
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games:
Start of show:
Improv Game - Movie Trailer in a Minute
Improv Game - Best of Times / Worst of Times
Improv Game - Last Letter / First Letter
Improv Game - Blind Line
Improv Game - Cutting Room:
End of show, into announcements:
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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: Alright, so if you've been listening for a while, you know, this is our five minutes segment where we discussed the tropes and cliches our second change we're doing to our format trying this out for 2022 is.
Avish Parashar: Mike and I bring a lot of history to a lot of these movies and genres so which may be comes out in the show, but maybe the audience is aware of that so we're going to expand this segment to closer to 10 minutes.
Avish Parashar: But so we're going to start first by talking a little bit about the movie and our experience with the genre and Mike this is.
Avish Parashar: probably true for many movies matrix certainly um, but this is one we actually saw together.
Avish Parashar: We played.
Avish Parashar: together in the theater way back when so take us back, would you remember, like what What did you think when you saw blade for the first time.
Michael Worth: Oh man I forgot that we start the theater together to you know the um what did I think my first take was um i'm damn this is stylish like this was like because.
Michael Worth: Up until now, what other superhero movies were there, there was Batman Batman was cool but I had a bit of the Gothic this at the other end seen Superman so this comes in and the.
Avish Parashar: Opening when it goes this.
Avish Parashar: Before was this before after spider man, this is right around spider man.
Michael Worth: This was before Spiderman, but it was a because spider man is as a mom as an MC you so yeah it was before Spiderman um and it was after Batman cuz Let me take a look here.
Michael Worth: bleed film um but I remember walking in and you're watching them go to that rave club and it's all like full that great 90s like.
Avish Parashar: It does oh yeah.
Michael Worth: And it's all you know slickly shot and then, when the blood comes down.
Michael Worth: And the guys you see the reversal you guys the guy that's gonna get eaten and then blade shows up and they're all stuck around have covered and read being fair like hot shit this movie it's doubling down on visual imagery like.
Avish Parashar: It was yeah.
Michael Worth: So stylish.
Avish Parashar: Was it was so cool and Wesley snipes was just cool as blade.
Michael Worth: Yes, absolutely.
Avish Parashar: excited because I think they do a remake with a mashallah alli and I think you'd be great as a blade yeah but Wesley snipes was just so and he delivered the most ridiculous one liners so well.
Michael Worth: Oh, the credibility people forget about Wesley snipes like about a he's a legit martial artists like he trains hard and he's kind of Michael J white when he's got like legit chops to he can make shuts down so smugly like self pompous some of the Fuck is always trying to escape.
Avish Parashar: The line I love that.
Michael Worth: so good, and he just delivers it with such like, just like I do this lads fucking stupid, but i'm gonna make it awesome right um.
Avish Parashar: it's funny because when blade came out I feel like I read a lot of comic was growing up and I read a bunch of spider man, but I think when it came out I didn't even realize that bleed was a marvel comics character, I just thought it was I got cool vampire movie.
yeah yeah.
Avish Parashar: And it was so it doesn't feel like a comic movie it feels like a vampire movie.
Avish Parashar: Great.
Michael Worth: A good darkness to where the vampire is the hero is a vampire hunter first in the style of van helsing it's not like he's like a superhero right.
Avish Parashar: yeah it's like a vampire vampire hunter which is awesome.
Michael Worth: yeah exactly and and the plot is legit I didn't like, and this is this is always going to be a problem, going to see if more be as well.
Michael Worth: As this the vampire villains are hard, it is hard to set up a vampire film to be blades match because blade is pretty clever and the amazing physical specimen so you got to play the vampire mastermind against him because blade can wade through.
Avish Parashar: yeah he just like phase waves of bad guys would like a mastermind meeting them all.
Michael Worth: Right, and so the mastermind of the first one was deacon frost and his big thing was he's trying to resurrect the blood God um it was a decent enough.
Michael Worth: hook, for it but, and it was you know, certainly a very solid hook, in terms of yeah again okay vampire trying to resurrect an all powerful for us trying to like you know become immortal or you know super powered.
Michael Worth: But it just I think like anything else the protagonist is defined by how good the antagonist is and I thought that decompress was great in this as a character.
Michael Worth: yeah whiny email 90s post-punk you know.
Avish Parashar: And if I recall correctly blade tues better in that context, like blade to actually look like was good from blade and had like a better villain and had almost like an alien sort of subplot like.
Avish Parashar: Yes, like a aliens feel to it.
Michael Worth: It did because that was one where they their experiments kind of vampire and made vampire vampires like a metal vampire and he could convert vampires into reapers and it did have an alien's five to it.
Avish Parashar: yeah and.
Michael Worth: They brought out the one thing that blade didn't do as well, they brought it and blade to was they brought out some of like the light hearted like badass humor of Wesley snipes his character blade like he was very grim in the first one.
Michael Worth: And the second we did a lot more funny lines a lot like that scene, where he you know i'm steers up decks who's buying the blows a kiss at his bike before it goes off.
Michael Worth: And fun kills the vampires like it was yeah.
Avish Parashar: It was really good.
Michael Worth: So I would I would actually live out of state as we're starting to move into blade blade you know doing this oh my gosh we incorporate elements of blade too, because that was.
Avish Parashar: Another I think.
Avish Parashar: Any kind of jack and it's funny like we call this blade it's gonna be more of an homage to blade but you know, this also kind of kicked off the like the whole underworld series is kind of like this.
Avish Parashar: Right yeah yeah so the vampire and what's his name is a werewolf and like yeah so yep it's.
Michael Worth: I have to also say that one of the things for you as we start to build the actors and it's always fun for us to try and do this in another podcast but.
Michael Worth: The action scenes are beautifully choreographed like Wesley snipes knows karate or Kung fu fill it up Filipino cali and Judo so his shit is tight like he's doing all the trapping and all the wing chun.
Avish Parashar: He knows yeah but.
Avish Parashar: It was like a combination like superhero vampire and martial arts movie which was it at the time wow.
Avish Parashar: Very you know with brain we're that was we were both.
Avish Parashar: very regularly training together martial arts, I was like we just saw this cool, so I think we like incorporate that.
Michael Worth: into our training yeah yeah, we were told we weren't you and I are both.
Michael Worth: Training G condo in cali and then we had come off of rookie tempo and small circle Jiu jitsu so we had the lots of stuff that we see this guy with all the outside.
Avish Parashar: yeah alright so let's kind of transition point, then, so this kind of our history with it we love so much of it, so what are then.
Avish Parashar: blade specifically but really any of these kind of you know sort of vampires among us, but the vampires the hero type movie what are some of you said you know, like, and this will be hard for the podcast but choreographed fight beautifully choreographed fight scenes.
Michael Worth: yeah totally full full of slick martial arts, I mean it's definitely is a high martial arts quota.
Michael Worth: and
Avish Parashar: You know just just general like action and, like popcorn action yeah.
Michael Worth: yeah yeah slickly shot, you know slickly told in our in our in our point um it's the underworld is a great idea there's a shadow world full of the Raven loft Gothic stuff so the vampires live among us.
Avish Parashar: And you know revealing to all our listeners that we are dungeons and dragons nerds absolutely.
Maybe.
Michael Worth: So that's a big component, which is the vampires are not these federal creatures living in the wilderness they usually have two hooks into corporate America in.
Avish Parashar: an urban environment yeah.
Avish Parashar: And yeah most they're not well known, like the World doesn't know they exist, the hero is a vampire for our story it's a vampire hero yep.
Michael Worth: Exactly or something with vampiric powers, and you know.
Avish Parashar: Like a half vampire vampire day Walker.
Michael Worth: None of this like i'm a highly trained to you, but no, no, no he's got a touch to the supernatural with this.
yeah.
Avish Parashar: I say to your point, like the villain needs to be.
Avish Parashar: A mastermind a mastermind but even like it could be a badass but like usually it's some kind of like it should be one level above the vampire like a like an elder I like a lot of the stories, especially underworld has like the Elder vampires or the god vampire not just a regular vampire.
Michael Worth: Right he's got additional powers and certainly additional resources and cloud, you know.
Michael Worth: The vampires in these kind of movies, are cannon fodder which and what and what you'll show is you'll show us with the vampires beating up on people and then you'll see the blade character going through them and that basically showcases like the how bad ass blade is you know.
Avish Parashar: yeah.
Michael Worth: By the way, seagal can take a page from these kind of movie because he said I was trying to basically be blade but he fails were played succeeds.
Avish Parashar: So yeah it does in many, many.
Michael Worth: Ways our defensive level get some point so.
Avish Parashar: there's no other guy a.
Michael Worth: plot is pretty easy usually what happens is.
Michael Worth: The main character uncovers a small criminal act which is part of a series of legos building to the big criminal plot.
Michael Worth: So, like you know why are you breaking in and stealing this type of blood, you know he stops that robbery and they start researching and say Oh well, that type of blood is.
Avish Parashar: For this spend on the plan.
Avish Parashar: almost always involves either.
Avish Parashar: Taking out all the humans and turning them into food like enslaving humans or raising.
Avish Parashar: The apocalypse raising the Elder God that's good yeah.
Michael Worth: Either superpowers, the head either making him super powerful or phrases like.
Michael Worth: Or, he said it wipes out the human race it's it's either it's one of those two hands.
Avish Parashar: So something apocalyptic on scale like yeah.
Avish Parashar: Exactly yeah.
Michael Worth: turn them all into food or whatever um.
Avish Parashar: So there's all.
Avish Parashar: there's usually the the hero is almost always like very withdrawn, but then encounter someone usually like a love interest or sort of a love interest.
Michael Worth: Interest tonight.
Avish Parashar: opens them up yeah.
Michael Worth: The hero, if we want to play it like blade and I think we should will usually have one or two assistants that are playing Q and playing you know Q, like the James Bond techie there's usually a tech.
Avish Parashar: yeah like like Christmas.
Michael Worth: With her he actually and actually, this is a variation of the he had two and one of them betrayed that's that might be a little complex for a podcast there's nothing wrong with just having the hero kiss tech support and, like the love interest and that kind of works out um.
Avish Parashar: yeah.
Michael Worth: And so it's pretty it's pretty straightforward actually like the plot is literally that which is here shows up foil some small crime.
Avish Parashar: yeah very nicely into our format because it's like all right, some stuff happens investigates.
Avish Parashar: Proactive than big finish.
Michael Worth: yep and, of course, of course, the drive in the in the final act to make the big finish is that his love interest and or his partner get kidnapped.
Michael Worth: and
Michael Worth: You know yeah.
Michael Worth: yeah so now, yes, and not only go to stop the plan, but he also has to go for personal reasons, sometimes you'll see them get killed, but I don't know that's not necessary that's basically it, I mean it's pretty.
Avish Parashar: And we are.
Michael Worth: And there's always one liners there's.
Michael Worth: always like a straight aloes humor one liners, you know.
Avish Parashar: And there's something we That was a duck timer.
Avish Parashar: The one thing that we.
Avish Parashar: Probably don't have a lot of us have a lot of mythology which I don't think we need to get too far into like.
Avish Parashar: Who was the god back that and what caused this now why the stone needs to be found to be this would.
Michael Worth: Probably just enough mythology to justify the big bad evil guys.
Avish Parashar: Most yeah it's improv comedy surprise sticking the mythology when we need it like oh yeah.
Michael Worth: What will it do deus ex market a deus ex mythology you know.
Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: segment two all right now, we will hash out a high level outline we're going to use a for act structure.
Avish Parashar: we're going to kind of figure out what happens in each act roughly we may not stick to it once we get into it, because it's improv, but this is kind of our guidelines for what's going to happen.
Michael Worth: There aren't any more of a guideline.
Avish Parashar: yeah exactly.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so five minute timer.
Michael Worth: We did come up by the way for listeners, you need to weigh in on what you want our time to change to for this year, because you might come with a new sound I don't know if.
Avish Parashar: that's true I just been using the duck because i'm too lazy.
Michael Worth: yeah but i'll build something or maybe if there's you know, looking at phrase you want us to.
Avish Parashar: love it.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so next one, what needs to happen in act one.
Avish Parashar: It almost always opens with some kind of violence yeah.
Michael Worth: So basically here's what it opens with it opens with the switch from the the the world that we think we know to the actual world, so it starts off with something very, very plain and blah and then all sudden the latest switched.
Michael Worth: And all of a sudden, you see all the vampires you realize that the world you think you know, is a dangerous world and we're actually the lowest form of on the food chain.
Michael Worth: And we're introduced to the main character, the main character just shows up and just just carnage like it's that simple right.
Avish Parashar: yeah and and usually something happens right at the end, like you know he.
Avish Parashar: Like you said discovers that crime or like finds a medallion that one of the bad guys left behind, or like basically starts them down the path to be like hey what the hell is a scope what's going on here like something you discover something unusual like at the end of that sequence.
Avish Parashar: Or the last.
Michael Worth: yeah exactly and um the the love interest is introduced at this point as either one of two things.
Michael Worth: Either they're involved in that initial fight and they kind of tag along or they're the first clue linchpin to him uncovering the mystery like he's like oh they're doing this special kind of why they Robin this special kind of metal so he goes to like a metallurgist.
Avish Parashar: And the metallurgist right they'd be born act, too, but yeah so somewhere, maybe act one they might be like a victim right.
Avish Parashar: The thing or so maybe here, maybe act to we'll figure that out.
Michael Worth: that's pretty much at once it's that fast and easy.
Avish Parashar: yeah and active and I like to act, too, I think we're going to meet the sidekicks the assistance yep.
Michael Worth: And so, less is more here if we just have one.
Avish Parashar: that's fine but loaded, yet we meet the assistant.
Avish Parashar: We investigate whatever they discovered in act one they do some investigation there's usually some kind of a token action senior.
Michael Worth: Why um well what happens is uh yeah and we're introduced to the big bad guy and usually that took an action scene is.
Michael Worth: blade the character starting to interfere with one of the stages of the of the plopping put in that attracts his attention to the bad guy the bad guys like whoa whoa what happened, what, why did my guys not come back from this particular thing and then.
Avish Parashar: The bag I learned about maybe he would add guy you know he's investigating some of the course investigation cross paths with the bad guys action scene, but then, by the end of that act he's kind of.
Avish Parashar: he's got a clue like of what's going on a little bit more of a clue i'm.
Avish Parashar: You know.
Michael Worth: i'm seeing the full plot, the end of that too it's not the full plot.
Avish Parashar: He gets he that doesn't right like a lot of times at the end of Act two he'll know like i'm.
Avish Parashar: Not the full picture, but a much bigger piece of the picture like he'll learn who the bad guy is right that's a lot of times will happen like.
Avish Parashar: Killing counter the bag like oh crap it's deacon frost now we gotta yeah and he's trying to collect all the blood for some reason, let me.
Avish Parashar: write like in the beginning of actually has no idea what the real plan is he's like Oh, and actually kind of learns a plan, but as know why and then an act three he proactively investigates.
Michael Worth: Right and that three is worth two things happen.
Michael Worth: A the plot is revealed like and and again we want blade to be an empowered hero he figures it out.
Avish Parashar: yeah.
Michael Worth: it's not one of these, maybe a little bit of monologue but, but basically blade gets the point where he's like OK, I see what's going on yeah.
Avish Parashar: it's kind of this matrix resurrection crap.
Michael Worth: i've Tyson thanks, a lot of.
Michael Worth: A lot to learn from listening to Wesley snipes today.
Michael Worth: God damn it.
Avish Parashar: just said.
Avish Parashar: Some other factor is always trying to ice skate uphill.
Michael Worth: To save the film.
Michael Worth: So i'm a what buddy and actually here's what happened, he thinks that the plot the villain does something to take him out of the picture, which often involves kidnapping and this is the heroes darkest hour where you're like oh shit blade at his powers removed or he's entombed or whatever.
Avish Parashar: What often happens in X three is the hero goes out to stop the bad guy and he often succeeds, but what happens is behind the scenes, then the bad guy gets what he actually wanted and like kidnaps the assistant or love interest it's like.
Michael Worth: Oh yeah it looks.
Avish Parashar: cool I gotta stop him from getting this you know blood of the ancients and he does, but oh crap when I get home everyone's gone and they actually got what they needed and now everything yeah.
Michael Worth: So he gets a little outmaneuver.
Avish Parashar: Like basically yes yeah.
Michael Worth: That that can happen yeah that's gonna be awesome can pull that up i'd be pretty cool but, basically, then that just doesn't act for which is just the big ol.
Michael Worth: assault assault the bad guys fortress right he walks in he most out a bunch of people um the the whatever experiment or ritual or plan is being brought to fruition and he ends up either stopping the plan of the planting seeds he defeats the.
Avish Parashar: yeah usually there's some clever way he comes up with to stop it or to.
Avish Parashar: To win, even though it started out.
Michael Worth: He just makes a motherfucker skate uphill.
Michael Worth: greatest lie ever.
Avish Parashar: show good.
Avish Parashar: timer we do.
Avish Parashar: We got we need.
Michael Worth: This this man sometimes simple as the way to.
Avish Parashar: Action movies.
Michael Worth: right man godless critical drinker talks about 90s action movies, like demolition man of stuff and it's a goddess to so fucking nice to have a simple action movie right.
Michael Worth: So oh yeah so yeah.
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This episode features the improv games Movie Trailer in a Minute, Ding, He Said She Said, Emotional Lists, Cutting Room,
Show Notes:
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to “bed-ridden horror movies, most specifically Stephen King’s Misery. In fact, this episode is basically a straight-up parody of that movie/book. If you are a fan of Stephen King, Annie Wilkes, and Paul Sheldon, this is the episode for you!
Links
Misery on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misery_(film)
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 03:56
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 10:17
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 17:35
Start of show: 24:05
Improv Game - Movie Trailer in a Minute: 25:55
Improv Game - Ding: 27:39
Improv Game - He Said She Said: 34:16
Improv Game - Emotional Lists: 42:00
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 50:18
End of show, into announcements: 1:01:53
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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: segment one discussing the tropes so now we're going to spend five minutes discussing the tropes of this type of movie so i'm gonna set my timer for five minutes.
Avish Parashar: And Mike why don't you start off since you're the one who initially mentioned the genre when you think of misery rear window carol's game.
Mike Worth: Joking yeah yeah yeah.
Avish Parashar: That one at the rear window knock off with Charlotte both like whatever.
Mike Worth: yeah or the phone booth one, whatever that one is.
Avish Parashar: yeah phone booth you mean phone booth.
Mike Worth: what's that when we live photo booth and that's called Feral.
Mike Worth: Apparently, I had a lot of wine last night um so you know here's the overarching thing that I think is actually big for all of Stephen king's things, but I think really applies to this, which is Stephen King loves to show true evil.
Mike Worth: When a small person in a small slice of America gain some element of power he's not about having a huge distractible.
Mike Worth: You know, like overlord who's like built an army of robots he's about the small town sheriff who could just let his bigotry run rampant and that turns into something horrible.
Mike Worth: And so that's very much what happens in misery you've got this small town small obsessive person she's I mean she's a nurse, you know, so what I mean is.
Mike Worth: A central tenet should be this person should feel completely normal as a person, and then, when this obsessive psychosis manifests it makes it that much more terrifying and money.
Avish Parashar: yeah yes terrible.
Avish Parashar: yeah and and along the lines you basically you got two main characters your protagonist and antagonist.
Avish Parashar: And then maybe a couple of small you know, like the COP who ends up dying, or like the the assistant or girlfriend who kind of helps because the person depending on exactly the setup so, but it really is like it's really like a two person story yeah.
Mike Worth: yeah totally and and not only that it's a 2% story the protagonist.
Mike Worth: has something the antagonist wants and the whole point of the story is that it's a giant kind of like psychological torture porn where.
Mike Worth: The antagonist is trying to get the protagonist to exceed to his or her wishes in the case of misery it's you know finishing the book but, but this is not.
Mike Worth: she's not just being he or whatever is not being cruel, for the sake of being cruel in his own twisted world the antagonist wants to help the protagonist by exceeding.
Avish Parashar: yeah I mean, especially if you're going down the misery route yeah It is like.
Avish Parashar: The villain is.
Avish Parashar: You know it's not like saw or hostile where the villain just wants to kill and torture and name there's like they have some code or some justification in their in their mind they're not the villain right they I think they're yeah yeah they're like they almost think that being helpful.
Mike Worth: Exactly exactly that's that's part of what makes it so horrific like you know in misery, where she smashed his legs and stuff I gotta be really careful I don't want to like beat for beat turns into misery, because because there's other things we can do, but there's that's that now.
Avish Parashar: But that doesn't always make for a fun day when we've done that, so when we just had to do like a parody that ends up being pretty fun.
Mike Worth: let's do we when we've done quite well so okay that's good now the other, the other trips or this it's almost always in a.
Mike Worth: Small kind of picture picture is kind of Well he can be.
Mike Worth: I was gonna say misery takes place kind of like a little Colorado.
Mike Worth: lodge and Stephen King likes that whole New England thing so that's part of the trope um the protagonist is almost always ill equipped for this he's not like an army ranger who's been like crippled it's like an author or a painter or you know just maybe just.
Avish Parashar: yeah he's not like a combat veteran.
Mike Worth: Know uh he has to it is heavy on the psychological at winning and and there is an the.
Mike Worth: protagonist defeats the antagonist by using.
Mike Worth: her own goals or his own goals against him it's not like the antagonist suddenly regains the ability to escape and just fleas he finds a way to like turn the tables.
Avish Parashar: yeah he actually defeats the except in phone booth but that's all of the thing but yeah he finds a way to defeat the the antagonist and along the way, though there's usually at least one if not two like tense sequences of like them, trying to escape.
Avish Parashar: You know, maybe they're healthier the other person knows.
Avish Parashar: or they break in where they're not supposed to and but the other person is coming back and so there's not like that that kind of tense the future tense sequence or some nature.
Mike Worth: yeah there's always going to be, it is Stephen king, so it could be a couple of deaths and the deaths are going to be, I mean I hate to say it, but usually the set one of the second tier character bites it, you know.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah.
Mike Worth: And not only that it it the deaths are not gruesome and they're not graphic, but they are terrifying because it's kind of like the the idea.
Mike Worth: Of this.
Is the person is showing.
Avish Parashar: terrifying in the movie in the movie and misery, she shoots the Sheriff in the.
Avish Parashar: Books funds over him with a lawn mower I think.
Mike Worth: Oh, you serious oh.
Mike Worth: yeah about that never got the books, the Stephen King books is good.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah and in the movie she hobbled them with a hammer, in the book she cuts off megaman X yeah.
Avish Parashar: yeah.
Mike Worth: So that's pretty much it, I mean, is it are the tropes that simple well you know what look a Stephen King look at the book cujo what does cujo about a Feral dog they're trapped in a car and a House like his stuff can be really.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah he really digs into like I mean that's The other thing I didn't mean to say as much the the protagonist usually has some kind of.
Avish Parashar: flaw or issue that kind of gets explored through the through the trauma.
Mike Worth: Right like an issue would be like what like his inability to like commit to his family or or the fact that he's.
Avish Parashar: yeah he's never lost his misery, but I think in misery like he kind of you know his like creative burnout and like he was not gonna do any more misery stories right, you know he's like creatively burnt out from it, I think he has an alcohol issues and his past and i'm.
Avish Parashar: Good man yeah that Stephen King oh yeah.
Avish Parashar: You know yeah.
Avish Parashar: Gerald game, which is another one or something, but that one like the woman had her whole life, she was abused as a kid and repressed it never dealt with in you know, the fact that it's such a small story lends itself more to like internal.
Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: kind of reflection yeah right so that are as a bunch of controls, so now we get to.
Avish Parashar: Creating the outline so now we're gonna spend about five minutes just generating a high level outline for this movie we will.
Avish Parashar: We use a four X structure.
Avish Parashar: And then each one will have an improv game we'll get to that later and then this is a starting point, because it's in probably May.
Avish Parashar: stick to this, we may veer off of it a little bit or we may completely abandoned it halfway through, but this gives us a sort of starting point.
Avish Parashar: Through outline.
Avish Parashar: We always start with either a prologue or a trailer yeah.
Mike Worth: This is gonna be probably a.
Mike Worth: trailer but now i'm not sure.
Avish Parashar: All right, well let's let's see what i'm doing that in our and I was.
Mike Worth: Like reading a piece of music, you always leave the intro till the end because because that you know.
yeah.
Mike Worth: X one X one.
Avish Parashar: X two X over X one um I mean that you gotta these stories get started pretty quickly, so we need to establish the hero, and the villain and whatever situation, whatever reason he gets trapped needs to happen in aqua.
Mike Worth: yep that's that's pretty much what it is you establish the hero what his career slash jobs niches that makes him valuable to the antagonist and you set them up to get trapped right.
Mike Worth: i've got a really interesting idea to be floating around that event but i'm trying not to like to improv push it but i've got a really interesting idea at the end of act one i'm probably the oh hold on just one second let's do a quick little clap.
Mike Worth: Yes, Sir i'm on the podcast what's up.
Great to please Thank you.
Mike Worth: So in act one um we hear the protagonist and we hear and the antagonist I think in act one we we get to the point where the protagonist is now in the hands of the antagonist.
Mike Worth: And I think at the end of the Act one we figure out the the antagonist a is not all there and B is determined to correct the protagonists.
Avish Parashar: yeah I think that I think in some stories, you might say, oh at the end of act one is when the hero.
Avish Parashar: gets injured and can kind of take it in, but I think in most of these stories that actually happens near the beginning, and then the end of act one yeah because in the beginning, I think it's also not clear that.
Avish Parashar: The antagonist is bad or crazy they might just seem a little odd right, but then it's like the end of act one is when you realize oh there's something's not quite right about this person.
Mike Worth: Right right into the REP and it directly manifest with some decisions, the protagonist is making in their life or career, that the antagonist is what's.
Mike Worth: yeah so okay so that's pretty good at one right that's.
Avish Parashar: yeah that's pretty straightforward so then act two is where um.
Avish Parashar: But I think he still he or she the hero is still sort of recovering from whatever reason they're there.
Avish Parashar: That are trying to like.
Avish Parashar: I think there's still sort of treating it normally like I just got to convince this person i'm okay I got to convince them to go get me help it take me to a hospital.
Avish Parashar: they're not desperate yet they're just like trying to play this person and and populate them in a way to kind of get them out of there, yes.
Mike Worth: At the end of Act two is when the protagonist realizes that the antagonist is too far gone in terms of like.
Mike Worth: You know she's not going or he you know, whatever we want to do is not going to let me go, it could be something like.
Mike Worth: The police officer shows up and he's in the other room and he sees the antagonists like completely just like lie to say i've never seen him and he's like oh wow she really won't let me go, you know kind of thing.
Mike Worth: Because that's and and she might even physically restrain him or you know hammered of the ankle because I think that's kicks in act three, which is what he begins to formulate a plan.
Mike Worth: and go reactive to We always say is you said it perfectly are active at three is always reactive to proactive.
Avish Parashar: reactive reactive he's like just trying to play the situation figure this person.
Mike Worth: asking me she'll figure it out she'll she'll she'll let me go.
Avish Parashar: A little odd or he lot and crazy, but I think you know if I can just kind of.
Avish Parashar: See I think yeah then that revelation comes in an actor, he is when he goes proactive, I think this is where if there's gonna be a 10 sequence where he's like trying to explore the House or get out or get to the phone escape.
Mike Worth: plan yeah exactly.
Avish Parashar: Because proactive tries to do something tries to.
Avish Parashar: But I think I think I think the big thing here is certainly we're looking at misery in act three he's proactive but he's trying to escape or get help, yes I think act for is when it's proactive.
Avish Parashar: Timing to defeat the villain yep.
Mike Worth: Bingo.
Avish Parashar: that's perfectly actor, he is he's gonna try to escape.
Mike Worth: yeah he is but he's also going to find out her some of her Achilles heels, but he's gonna find out that stuff in that three if it all works out well you know so man.
Mike Worth: The plots easy, but the beats for a Stephen King novel are pretty tightly you can't you can't walk around with this you gotta like.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah I mean that's one reason I like reading I read allows even kidding cuz.
Mike Worth: yeah i've.
Avish Parashar: got some of it is like it's always a.
Avish Parashar: Good story things move.
Avish Parashar: me he might take 200 pages to make the story move like per chapter, but you know, maybe 1000 pages, but it's always like.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah it's progressing I like it.
Mike Worth: yeah and.
Avish Parashar: then act for is the confrontation, the.
Avish Parashar: hero yep.
Mike Worth: And, and we really want to reincorporate everything that we've learned, we want to reincorporate here again the the hero turns the tables on the antagonist.
Mike Worth: Through combination of twisting what she wants out of him and exploiting her vulnerabilities and kind of like flaws, incidentally that's it that's that's pretty much it we're ahead of the curve.
Avish Parashar: What are we doing we're doing a prologue or a trailer for this.
Avish Parashar: trailer right I don't think we need.
Mike Worth: To a trailer let's do a trailer because that could have a chance to do more, Stephen King he kind of.
Mike Worth: Music yeah, by the way this is random and for dear listeners curious go on a little tangent for a second Dean koontz versus Stephen King they both tend to get lumped together and i've read both of them multiple books.
Mike Worth: I love them both are they are they really that simple, though, I feel it includes has a different pacing with Stephen king.
Avish Parashar: hey do I mean, I think.
Avish Parashar: I think, Stephen king is a better writer I think Dean koontz is a little bit more like.
Avish Parashar: I don't know what the word is, but like poppy or you know, Paul be your.
Mike Worth: yeah a little more.
Avish Parashar: I guess the includes is more like a between or guy versus Stephen king's books, you know, while not like literature, are a little bit more in depth, and I think Stephen king's about writer, but I read a lot of Dean koontz which I got very into him for a while, so his books are entertaining.
Mike Worth: Well yeah that's a lesson for our third section is Dean, I remember that what you do is you read the first 14 cookbooks and whatever first four books you choose whatever they are.
Mike Worth: Especially in the 90s you love them and then you start reading the rest of your life oh this actually the same for books that it keeps on music over and over so so like for me, the first word that.
Mike Worth: we're like watchers and phantoms and midnight and like one other I love them and then they were like the children of twilight does like oh that was just this one rescan now you're like okay.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah.
Mike Worth: Good ideas and he's kind of keeps it.
Avish Parashar: kind of like our podcast.
Mike Worth: Alright, so we're in.
Avish Parashar: good shape, I would remind me, though, i'm going to add Dean koontz to our list of future potential.
Mike Worth: yeah yeah.
In a world…where some people are meant for greatness while others just want a shot…one team of misfit lacrosse players will have to bond and learn to work together to win the game, go the championship, and save their coach and team.
This episode features the improv games 90 Second A to Z, Old Job New Job, World’s Worst, He Said She Said, and Cutting Room.
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to those very entertaining misfit sports movies, like The Replacements, Necessary Roughness, and many, many more. Mike and Avish are actually big fans of Necessary Roughness and have quoted that movie many times over the years, so this episode features a lot of that Scott Bakula classic in it. You can also learn just how little about lacrosse Avish knows…
Links
Necessary Roughness on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessary_Roughness_(film)
The Replacements on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Replacements_(film)
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 05:56
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 17:41
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 22:41
Start of show: 29:42
Improv Game - 90 Second A to Z: 33:56
Improv Game - Old Job, New Job: 37:27
Improv Game - World’s Worst: 48:54
Improv Game - He Said She Said: 59:14
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 1:08:05
End of show, into announcements: 1:22:19
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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: All right now we're going to spend about 10 minutes talking about the genre well they're talking about the tropes but also can talk about our experience and kind of what we think about these genres.
Avish Parashar: And kind of pull out the tropes that we will use in the discussion so I don't have my duck time I have a different time are here today Oh, but I will set it so 10 minute timer starts now.
Michael Worth: or five minute timer or 10 minutes 10 minutes.
Avish Parashar: Well, we now we've switched it like a little longer time or because.
Oh.
Michael Worth: yeah.
Avish Parashar: Just like rifling through the toilet so when you when you think about this movie like what's your.
Avish Parashar: kind of well, I know what my memory is, but what are, like some of the movies, or what are your memories of experiencing this genre.
Michael Worth: Well it's funny because, although we are doing football, the first one that comes to mind is major league because that one kind of was the the rebooting of all those other movies came out afterwards, if necessary, roughness and and.
Avish Parashar: on any given Sunday, I think this is a ravenous might have been before but around similar maybe that's the reference later, you might be right yeah.
Michael Worth: First of all, what you love, is what I love about it is this.
Michael Worth: The coach is always really likable like like he's you know he's not like a tough coach that has to like learn to grow as a person he's already a good guy and so he's trying to just kind of work among this whole real unfair thing you know, like.
Michael Worth: Is it could it's cushioning Janeiro and major.
Avish Parashar: In necessary roughness and so Robin is.
yeah.
Michael Worth: There is, I don't want to put any pressure idea but coach scenarios last words were when our i'll die.
Michael Worth: Robert lotion event so good, so the coach is always like a good guy like he may have butt heads with with this with this, you know.
Avish Parashar: he's like a mentor he's not the coaches like he's like a main character, but he's he rarely goes through, like a character transformation right.
Michael Worth: he's the mentor Arc type he's the obi wan.
Michael Worth: yeah and so, and you know.
Avish Parashar: Gene hackman is like the.
Michael Worth: replacements you've got the guy was like I don't know I gotta set a white walls, on the other.
Michael Worth: Guy was from major league.
Michael Worth: And then of course you've got whoever plays coach Janeiro is really plays pretty well he plays the.
Michael Worth: drums on oh yeah yeah um so it's pretty easy one of the great things is part of the fun of this these kind of shows is there's a significant chunk of time of them ferreting out these players to stock their team.
Michael Worth: leading them to the most bonkers situations, you know, like Kathy Ireland is like a girls soccer team they're like okay we're gonna you know get that or I think they have.
Michael Worth: The Welsh smoker and he's like a soccer player.
Avish Parashar: ifans yeah.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah.
Avish Parashar: that's it's all misfits because you know these movies.
Avish Parashar: And I think that's the when I when I publish this episode and i'm going to describe it as like a sports mitts misfits movie.
Avish Parashar: Because that's really what these are and yeah you, because obviously the premise is that, like we don't have a budget or reputation to get real players, so we got to like just pull these like castoffs and other sports yeah the female kicker the the the Irish like smoker kicker.
Michael Worth: yeah we usually get like you said linebackers are like ex cons right there like coming out of prison for all like.
Avish Parashar: Just oh yeah yeah yeah the COP and the con.
Michael Worth: As like yeah was it a.
Michael Worth: Who was the COP.
Avish Parashar: It was somebody who back row row.
Michael Worth: yeah and he was fantastic have that luxury basically this jacked up like FBI guy right are you.
Avish Parashar: crazy yeah yeah.
Avish Parashar: cuz it's like.
Avish Parashar: These movies, are all like On one level they're all terrible um but like are terrible it's such a good way, I mean like major leagues, probably the one that flirted the most of being like a legitimately good movie.
yeah.
Avish Parashar: Just terrible.
Avish Parashar: Terrible but in such a good way.
Michael Worth: To get you the ball I catch the ball.
Michael Worth: yeah and you know what in the other thing is is there's two ways to go with this and i'm tired tropes little bit um.
Michael Worth: The the players all start off immediately feuding and fashioning right like like there's already like they have to learn to grow together as a team that's part of the fun of it so like in the beginning.
Michael Worth: What I love about movies, like this is no holds barred and how bad they are in the first couple of games.
Avish Parashar: are truly terrible yeah.
Michael Worth: Like things that would never happen in a sport habit, because these people are so incompetent like you know, like like one of them gives another player a concussion because they want to, they want to be the one to like.
Avish Parashar: Get the back, because they're.
Avish Parashar: People in with non sports or non football background so yeah it's like all the martial artist does a tackle by doing a spinning tornado kick like oh.
Michael Worth: yeah he looks like like kicks out the dude muy Thai style to.
Michael Worth: Exactly yeah I actually think i've already got an idea for that we're going to get one of those guys as a Judo QA and like I said.
Avish Parashar: You get the terrible list of them and the thing that's like there's always not always but, at least in more than one there's the.
Avish Parashar: The brawl with the opposing team, followed by the bond like that's kind of how they bought it I haven't necessary roughness that happens in the replacement sale I get a brawl yep.
Avish Parashar: And for that that's like the MID points, because then, after that, like they're all buddies they're like a gel together and then now they're like all right now let's eat again.
Michael Worth: Now what the replacements did, which was Okay, but I don't really feel like we need to do, that the bad guys in their placement, where this the the the initial players are on strike because remember how like they.
Michael Worth: kind of coming in in in things like major League and necessary roughness I think it was just.
Michael Worth: They were trying to have a winning record they're trying to make it to the playoffs and so there's there might have been some team in the back and they're like you know you some point you're gonna have to play the lions.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah necessary roughness it was the opposing team that was like the big university might necessary roughness that school is like a small like state school.
Avish Parashar: scrappy team yeah Texas university and that's what they fought within the brawl replace it with the scabs yeah the.
Michael Worth: enemy team that's.
Avish Parashar: that's a lot of fun yeah I mean major league didn't have as much, but I think they did have like the Yankees or something like a bad guy was like the actual owner of the.
Avish Parashar: team.
Michael Worth: Oh, the woman who was the actress yeah yeah so bad and yeah and and they also immediately also played up with some.
Michael Worth: They put a little more of the romance angle that corbin bernstein got cheated on by while thing which was a funny art but that's a lot for us to do you know I don't know if you want to.
Avish Parashar: Know yeah we're pretty pretty key to the sports we, I think, having an opposing team team is good, and you know obvious things it's almost like the story designed around like moments, you know, like oh what what happened for karate guy had to play football, you know.
or.
Avish Parashar: The randomness of like you know, in the replacements is like.
Avish Parashar: You got the two like bodyguards who are like the alignment it's like how there was a gun and shoot the car it's like.
Michael Worth: yeah exactly oh you don't know what it, by the way.
Michael Worth: This is one of movies, where I really ate some crow because I told you, for years, we'd watch this movie to watch this movie and then we watched it were like really there's like two or three good scenes first one was awful, but this is in that world slap shot.
Avish Parashar: yeah I knew you're gonna say I feel like people who are listening are gonna be upset cuz I feel like that assaulted cult movie that people put.
Avish Parashar: You know, like favorites and best I don't know I.
Michael Worth: And we, you and I, I saw it was like a teenager and I was like man, this is, this is a great movie this great movie and I really got you to you did sit and watch it with you.
Michael Worth: I did watch it, I was like like there's like two or three good seeds.
Avish Parashar: Were brothers right like the.
Avish Parashar: brothers like whatever the names are.
Avish Parashar: They were funny.
Michael Worth: yeah there's the hanson brothers.
Michael Worth: And that's that's yeah there's that scene, but they're all skating around getting warmed up and they keep on looking at the other team is a scanner rather than just go at it like that's The funny shit.
Avish Parashar: That, I think it's like these things are designed around moments, and sometimes the story isn't as strong, but I will say, the one thing that that these all have is there's a redemption Arc for someone.
Avish Parashar: In that one it was the coach and slap shot, it was the coach was pulling you.
apart.
Avish Parashar: But in like usually it's like the start of the team that shane falco was a successful, but then he, like.
Avish Parashar: macula didn't finish college and you know Tom berenger was the kind of capture, who is on his last legs so there's always like.
Michael Worth: More go with the champion one more.
Avish Parashar: Like a older more experienced player like you know we talked about the misfits a lot of them have no experience.
Avish Parashar: yeah main characters you just someone with experience but, for whatever reason, they never quite.
Avish Parashar: fulfill their potential.
Avish Parashar: yeah what happens is.
Michael Worth: And then, what happens is then you've got this great interaction between the coach and this main character, because.
Michael Worth: They both want the same thing, sometimes they align sometimes they butt heads, because they have different views and at some point the mentor fingers like.
Michael Worth: To the main character you're in your own way you've got to you've got to fix this flow and your character before you can actually lead the team, you know so so there's that there's the hero's journey really is, this is the top is the top recruited the misfit.
Avish Parashar: Right and that's usually what happens at that midpoint scene right all the way up to that.
Avish Parashar: That brawl scene right he's like reluctant and he's kind of keeping this, this is not bond you're connecting with other players yeah you know he's like almost unsure if he even wants to do this again.
Avish Parashar: But then that's the moment where he likes steps up and something happens and then nine races roll.
Michael Worth: yeah, and I mean honestly it's actually not that hard to plot it's really about would have been really good about coming up with some really funny scenarios because really it is assembling the team funny scenario where do you find these players.
Michael Worth: The first, you know chunk of Games were there nothing's going right how How are they taking the game and really.
Avish Parashar: Sure, because in the beginning, they lose it's like like this team comes together, because you mentioned like we see them being bad.
Avish Parashar: But we might seem to be bad at practice mason being bad in the game, but they lose and then suddenly, they will get it together, and then they go on their winning streak.
Avish Parashar: You know, to either make the playoffs it could be making the playoffs could be just winning that one game could be whatever but it's uh.
Michael Worth: yeah yeah right.
Michael Worth: um.
Avish Parashar: So there was one movie I forget what it was, it was one of these or something else, where they literally didn't win a game.
Avish Parashar: Until like the finale like the whole point was, I think they didn't win.
Michael Worth: It o'neill with the kids one with the annexation of Poland was that one that one.
Avish Parashar: Extension of Puerto Rico a little giant.
Michael Worth: was that it was just that was just they want to win against.
Avish Parashar: I forget what it was like the team was just bad and bad and bad, but then they face the rivals like Alaska and then they finally one so but yeah.
Michael Worth: Oh well, that could have been miracle.
Michael Worth: That is.
No.
Michael Worth: Different than a Kurt russell's most.
Michael Worth: greatest sports speeches ever where he basically was like nine times out of 10 this team is going to be true, but tonight's.
Avish Parashar: Nothing oh and that's a good point trump is there needs to be a motivational speech.
Oh yeah.
Michael Worth: When are all.
Avish Parashar: Every every sports movie has it that dramatically we've had like a real output, you know from any given Sunday, or you know.
Avish Parashar: Also honor.
Michael Worth: And the other thing is, besides the main character was going to be the coach the main character and that usually one or two other characters might be main everybody else is just a two dimensional fund pasties.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah a lot of stereotypes yeah.
Avish Parashar: yeah that's because.
Avish Parashar: there's so out of the box like it's, not even a stereotype random like like you said, one or two to mentally yeah.
Avish Parashar: yeah character.
Michael Worth: is actually one of these fun little hidden gems of movie genres like you don't.
Avish Parashar: yeah it is and it's almost I think we're almost finding, sometimes with these shows that.
Avish Parashar: The less intricate the plot and the fewer crops are sometimes like when you got a few big tropes and the rest is just like yeah it's not a lot to the story it just got a lot of fun pieces like Oh well, we.
Have a lot.
Michael Worth: Of.
Michael Worth: Basic instinct we're gonna be screwed it's like.
Avish Parashar: Oh God yeah.
Avish Parashar: We get to like doing are like an.
Avish Parashar: ensemble um you know, like murder mystery like knives out or paro.
Michael Worth: yeah the knives out.
Michael Worth: So screwed.
Michael Worth: Alright, so so we're in a good spot here we can jump.
Avish Parashar: In yeah so that was the end our timer went off so that was our genre tropes discussion that brings us to.
Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: Creating the outline, we are now going to spend about five minutes hashing out a high level outline for this movie this is going to be our.
Avish Parashar: kind of starting point and our guide, but we may not stick to it entirely and we use a for act structure for different acts to tell the story, and the next segment will pick up will pick an improv game for each act right so.
Avish Parashar: Let me start the timer and go cool alright, so now, the one thing we.
Michael Worth: Have before we start.
Avish Parashar: Before we start, let me tell you something like.
Avish Parashar: Our initial thought was football but doesn't really have to be we could part of the randomness, we are very impressive, we could do a different sport like.
Michael Worth: it's very true.
Avish Parashar: Like something outside of the big four to make it really random or we could do football so that's something we don't need to decide that now, but that's kind of a yeah.
Michael Worth: yeah yeah i'm already thinking about that, like what are some sports that we could do that would be kind of bizarre um so that one's pretty easy, which is.
Michael Worth: The coach basically loses his team somehow he either has a walk out or they cut his budget or you know he gets transferred to new city and and the team is like nope we love our own code SIA.
Michael Worth: And and he's just like.
Avish Parashar: And to that point for a lot of these, and this is kind of where the trump thing a lot of times the.
Avish Parashar: The person above the coach is not fully supportive of them, you know, like a major league she wants to move the team and necessary roughness the Dean wants to get rid of the football team, all together, so there's often another antagonist who's like.
Avish Parashar: Make hard to say organization as a team, but yeah you lose this team um so in this act one he has to get a new team, and this so basically we we meet.
Avish Parashar: Next, one we're basically it's like a tryouts right basically meet the coach set up maybe set up the rival like Oh, you know we got to make the playoffs, otherwise we lose our license or I always want to beat you know Texas a&m or whatever.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah we gotta meet.
Avish Parashar: And do the tryouts and by the end of act one we've essentially chosen and assemble the team.
Michael Worth: The team yeah exactly um.
Avish Parashar: There might be a short scene between the coach and the main character like where to meet the manager.
Michael Worth: Right who's going to become kind of liaison to the team of the coach and also have a hero's growth so that's one at to.
Avish Parashar: That one with the meeting I would say a lot of these movies.
Avish Parashar: And certainly in the two primary ones we're doing as a reference in the replacements, the main character is sought out so like I think like they gotta go get Scott bakula and gene hackman goes to get canneries they don't come back like say I want a part of this.
Michael Worth: Oh no yeah they're reluctant, they were reluctant hero it's the hero's journey is really that that.
Avish Parashar: is true like yeah they're refusing the call before the call even covered.
Michael Worth: Call to adventure.
Avish Parashar: yeah exactly right so then act two.
Michael Worth: Is their first practices and their first games where everything goes to shit.
it's super easy right.
Michael Worth: they're not working together as a team they're they're at each other's faces probably there's factions within it, and then they shit the bed with games and that's just going to be that's got to be bonkers over the top, like Mr bean level fail right, just like.
Avish Parashar: they're just in a lot of weird ways.
Michael Worth: yeah no.
Avish Parashar: Right.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so, then I would say in a normal movie like I said, usually like that kind of bonding experience will be at the end of Act two I think for us that bonding experience is going to be an act three yep.
Michael Worth: But also the same spot though yeah the bonding experience and then.
Avish Parashar: we'll we'll kind of act out the bonding experience as our act three right.
Michael Worth: And and i'm thinking this idea in the movie we would see multiple games with them getting better because of our shorter form, it might be they bond and clean up some stuff and then act for is just the game.
Avish Parashar: yeah I think I for me like just the game may be like that day, you know the pre game, the game, the motivational speech, maybe the real meat of it, but some of the motivational speeches got to be in their.
Michael Worth: own APP for yeah well, we can even send it out for you, they get it together, and you know, maybe start like you know growing as a team and then an APP for can literally say it's been four weeks they've won the last four games, you know kind of thing.
Michael Worth: we're allowed to do that, because everyone knows us the trope.
And that's exactly.
Avish Parashar: Right and so, then for this type of movie.
Avish Parashar: For our show we usually have either a prologue or a trailer we don't have to, but we usually do you feeling yeah.
Michael Worth: I don't know that the prologue.
Avish Parashar: I don't think a prologue makes any sense.
Michael Worth: yeah I don't know the prologue could set up the reason the coach has to go to find the dude um I don't know the trailer is like.
Michael Worth: We know what this is about this is your friend has you know.
Avish Parashar: We can just jump right into we don't necessarily either.
Avish Parashar: yeah we play with our format we're experimenting.
Avish Parashar: Again, like you said straightforward act one why you know coaches, the team he's got a good team, we do auditions and we meet the main character at to their bad play some games.
Avish Parashar: And they lose in a personal attention yep yep act three the bonding experience the other goes wrong, how they bond, and then they get it together and then act for final game perfect.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so we don't even need our whole time they're.
Michael Worth: Good they're good at this.
In a World…where criminals lurk and some treasure lays hidden…a group of misfits embark on a quest to save their town, save their families, and save the day!
If you like the Goonies (and Improv Comedy) then you will love the adventures of Giggles, Toothpick Girl, Digital Nerd, and Muscles McGee!
This episode features the improv games Countdown,, Superheroes, Blind Line, Ding, Cutting Room
About This Episode
In this episode, we pay homage to those crazy kids adventure movies where the children get into some seriously dangerous situations but manage to make it fun and to come out winning. We both love the Goonies and this episode is a loving tribute (we think…) to that movie.
Links
The Goonies on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goonies
The Goonies Virtual Live Script Read with Original Cast: https://youtu.be/UDQUE_B1Q24
Time Codes
Segment 1 - Discussion the Genre Tropes: 04:19
Segment 2 - Creating the Movie Outline: 09:43
Segment 3 - Picking the Improv Comedy Games: 15:59
Start of show: 22:46
Improv Game - Countdown: 24:26
Improv Game - Superheroes: 28:54
Improv Game - Blind Line: 35:05
Improv Game - Ding: 43:05
Improv Game - Cutting Room: 49:13
End of show, into announcements:1:04:32
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Transcription of the “Discussing the Genre Tropes” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: Discussing the genre tropes all right now we're gonna spend five minutes talking about the tropes cliches and commonalities of the genre of this type of movie so i've got my timer and we're going to spend five minutes, starting now all right Mike.
Avish Parashar: Why don't you kick us off when you think of this kind of movie kids versus adults.
Avish Parashar: What are things that jump to your mind.
Mike Worth: Well, the first thing is there's actually two things so one is i'm going to jump in no particular add order the criminal or the bad guys in this tend to be.
Mike Worth: mildly competent but not so confident that they can't get out smarter by the kids and the two examples i'm thinking of is the is the fraternity brothers from home.
Mike Worth: duties and also Joe pisco and Daniel stern from home alone they're competent.
Mike Worth: Because the passion passion.
Avish Parashar: I mean different movie.
Mike Worth: But it's still a great movie still a great movie.
Mike Worth: Like they're constantly figure out that you know these guys are leaving and they're and they're working theory things where the finale brothers kind of figure out what the treasure is, but they can get smarter about the kids so that's kind of an important things.
Avish Parashar: I would say I narrow that down and say they are like.
Avish Parashar: they're competent strategists there in company tacticians.
Mike Worth: they're like.
Avish Parashar: They have a good plan and ready to go, but like when it comes to like dealing with the obstacles of the children they're they're idiots and.
Avish Parashar: Almost to a comical standpoint right the way they fail is.
Avish Parashar: Is comical.
Avish Parashar: yeah that's like they fail in a way that no real criminal would fail when it comes to.
Avish Parashar: The kid.
Avish Parashar: plan is like Oh, we got a good plan we.
Avish Parashar: sneak in this.
Mike Worth: Yes, and that that idea of comedy fail is really huge if you think about all of the of the ways that i'm using the goodies in the home alone.
Mike Worth: bad guys, the way it feels almost like pratfall almost buster keaton right they have those kind of have really silly fun physical fails or or you know they almost a while it can be looked at ah they'll fall, you know.
Avish Parashar: yeah I was about to say there's like slapstick yeah one point at home alone, I believe the kid rigs a blowtorch to burn off patches hair.
Avish Parashar: Oh yeah he just goes when, in reality, he get like.
30 birds yeah.
Mike Worth: I did, did you see some some graphics artist at La who's like i'm going to take all the seeds from have a lower macaulay culkin wants to the villains, but add real blood splatter.
Mike Worth: it's the first time, you see, when the to paint cans come down and they hit the guy.
Mike Worth: You see teeth fly out digital and all this blood explodes and they hit the ground this isn't funny anymore, this is not funny at all anyway.
Avish Parashar: Exactly.
Mike Worth: So there has to be like decimal point is, it has to be cartoony because, which obviously That means we can't be putting out our huge visual effects budget for this podcast.
Avish Parashar: yeah sorry guys next year just going to use a corn syrup yeah.
Mike Worth: About kids what's the truth of the kid or the kids up.
Avish Parashar: Well, I would say, maybe less about the kids but the kids situation is that they're.
Avish Parashar: on their own, they get isolated from adults, either because they're the goonies who decided they needed us on their own now they're away.
Avish Parashar: from home alone his parents have them, so the kids are isolated they can't go to kit adult for help, or even even in like the goonies when trunk tries to call the COPs like they don't believe them.
Avish Parashar: So right kids are on their own ah, you know they're usually they're pretty clever yep um they're clever they are not, they have no physical attributes it's not like Oh, the kid happens to be like an eight year old.
and
Mike Worth: Electric ninja whatever.
Avish Parashar: way not like the sidekicks ninja.
Avish Parashar: or like a gymnast if you have any like tangible.
Avish Parashar: it's just a normal kid yeah but he's like clever.
Avish Parashar: there's some level of wise accessory either one of the kids are the main kid is a wise ass.
Mike Worth: yeah yeah um now that the the other trope is they're both after the same thing either that look in this case actually both after the House.
Avish Parashar: You know kind of thing he's pretty.
Mike Worth: Good there or they're both after one I will ease up.
Mike Worth: yeah the kind of it as.
Avish Parashar: PG PG.
Avish Parashar: PG 13 on.
Avish Parashar: The yeah the bad guys want something and the kid, for whatever reason, the kid or kids or an obstacle to it like.
Avish Parashar: Right.
Avish Parashar: Good well they went off the House the kids in the House, they want to feel the jewels that kids want to get the jewels first.
Mike Worth: there's a healthy element of MacGyver ISM uh you know, even in the goonies that when the kids are kind of getting through there they're being clever and kind of solving puzzles because the healthy omit of drivers and like are solving problems creatively.
Mike Worth: And what's the final thing um.
Avish Parashar: And there is.
Avish Parashar: You know they're cut off from adults but there's one misanthropic ally.
Mike Worth: dwight.
Mike Worth: I the shovel.
Mike Worth: or oh man with a shovel the slot or whatever yeah yeah yeah.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah.
Mike Worth: For men uh yeah I think that's.
Avish Parashar: Like misunderstood everyone thinks is a bad guy but turns out to be a good guy and helps to keep it in yet.
Mike Worth: Exactly uh I think that's pretty much hit man, this is a pretty bread and butter basic film yeah.
Avish Parashar: yeah as long as it comes in the obstacles and the.
Mike Worth: And the tone, the tone is action comedy that it's a very light non fearful thing and like you said, the obstacles are creative and interesting and continually into the bad guys well either continue to kind of forge forward.
Avish Parashar: Alright, well, that brings us that's right at the end about here the duck.
Mike Worth: yeah we're on point.
Avish Parashar: Fantastic alright, so that now brings us to.
Transcription of the “Creating the Outline” Segment (Unedited and Un-Cleaned up)
Avish Parashar: segment two creating the outline, we are now going to spend five minutes, creating a high level outline for this movie.
Avish Parashar: We use a four X structure we're going to go through the four X is basically a three act structure, but we split Act two into two parts, more reactive part of more proactive because that's.
Avish Parashar: Good screenwriting and it's easier for our break down, and this is our outline, we will roughly follow it, but this is kind of a starting point it's improv comedy so we may veer very much from what we say we're going to do a check yes alright so starting now.
Mike Worth: Okay, so actually it's pretty easy it's we want to establish the kids and we can establish their parents and you know we can't have one kid or we're thinking.
Avish Parashar: I kind of need to establish why the adults aren't there.
Mike Worth: Right when that happens at the end of act one is is is that the kids are kind of cut off not dangerous way look at the adults are not there, the kids end up in a park.
Avish Parashar: So you know we don't need.
Avish Parashar: We don't need to do a lot with the parents, but we need to kind of meet them are the adults yep and then set up their reason for not being.
Mike Worth: Exactly, we also need to be the kids and and then we need to also establish the identities of the villains, and I think at the end of act one is when the macguffin shows up.
Avish Parashar: The macguffin as in the thing they're all after.
Avish Parashar: yeah yeah it depends yet whether it's a quest one or a home invasion one.
Mike Worth: I think this is still a macguffin it's like Oh, you have to protect the House why because though all right.
Avish Parashar: I would say we kind of launched into the.
Avish Parashar: We launch into the adventure like whether it's bad guys wanting to come in, are the good guys going after the macguffin right right at one ends.
Mike Worth: Okay, so now, would you add to that for us, we kind of funky because a act to its trials tests and trials tests and tribulations so that's going to be where a.
Mike Worth: Problems emerged for the kids to have to solve the problems can either be from the quest like the environment or they can be actively from the villains trying to.
Avish Parashar: You know what's interesting, especially because we really watch the goonies last year for our at Facebook live before we switch over to this podcast.
Avish Parashar: They don't actually go after the jewels until like what we would call at three right there's a lot in the goodies a long time before they actually like enter the came to go try to find the jewels there's like.
Avish Parashar: They go they find the fatality thing so they're doing so, but again it's reactive and act two is where they're kind of learning.
Avish Parashar: So, and in home alone, like you, don't get too patchy and Daniel stern invading the House till.
Avish Parashar: The second half of the movie the first half.
Mike Worth: that's true.
Avish Parashar: he's like trying to survive on his own and they're like scoping out the House, so I think this is where we're kind of so I said act one ends with them kind of launching into, but I think act ones precipitating event at the end is more like the kid being isolated.
Mike Worth: yeah.
Avish Parashar: If the introduction of the big trouble in home alone at home alone and goonies it's like oh we're gonna lose our House so let's go.
Mike Worth: yeah yeah and that it's the crossing the threshold because that's when they're put into this new world but they're still kind of not proactive in this new world.
Avish Parashar: yeah so i'd say.
Avish Parashar: choose the one that ends with the.
Avish Parashar: The adventure really starting like.
Mike Worth: I think that's I think that's fair yeah I think.
Avish Parashar: What else happens in an actor is we're learning the kid is kind of the villains, are the kids learning about the villains, and the villains learning about the kid I think.
Mike Worth: And the kids learn the rules of the new world that he's in in this case it's home alone, so this is how I survive as a as an eight year old, and you know, in the goonies it's like well now we're in this kind of cave and underneath and things like that.
Avish Parashar: yeah so learn about each other, they learn about the thing they want right yep.
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Mike Worth: we're gonna we ever do the part one, a big oh that dead pirate Mr penis.
Avish Parashar: yeah.
Mike Worth: Just just say.
Mike Worth: i'm already thinking of these things.
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Mike Worth: Now man do.
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Avish Parashar: To not a lot proactively happened is we, I could, but like it's just a lot of like learning figuring out maybe some close calls.
Mike Worth: yeah um.
Avish Parashar: And then, at the end of activity again that crossing the next threshold right he's like all right well.
Avish Parashar: Like yes or no, do we go after this or not, and so that makes X three, and this is where you get really into the the trials and tribulations the questing.
Mike Worth: yeah yeah this this starts feeling indiana Jones kind of stuff right there's like traps and there's and there's you know.
Avish Parashar: and listening is when you get into more direct conflict with the villains like yes, the fatalities entering the cave after them, you know.
Mike Worth: patchy and stern trying to break in and him kind of fortifying defenses through.
Avish Parashar: route losses, I saw home alone and that may not even happen till the very end, but I forget, but I don't have as a whole, half of the movie or but.
Avish Parashar: Our purposes we're gonna see a lot of conflict.
Mike Worth: We there's a lot of outsmarting with the time where he gets all those mannequins and he sits them all up to like move around, so it looks like there's a house party so he's always defeating them but it's like.
Avish Parashar: it's a good way of describing it, so I think it's not we're actually not it's also more indirect conflict neck three like like even with the fatalities they're not attacking the kids are chasing them they're causing trouble for them, but.
Mike Worth: yeah.
Avish Parashar: it's not until the very end, where they all meet on the boat.
Avish Parashar: Writing actor is in direct conflict and that brings us to act for which is that for.
Mike Worth: US truly the moto moto like face to face the final.
Avish Parashar: The final square off paint cans of blow torches the.
Mike Worth: Are the iron.
Mike Worth: iron door to like give you like the tote you know.
Avish Parashar: In today in today's society Kevin mcallister would be like sued and arrested for.
Avish Parashar: assault on those two guys.
Avish Parashar: Out there like way beyond.
Mike Worth: Defense you're kind of a sociopath.
Avish Parashar: alright.
Mike Worth: Alright, we got something here.
Avish Parashar: And then obviously wraps up with the parents finally returning.
Avish Parashar: or they.
Mike Worth: finally returned they finally find the treasure of logs long silver.
Avish Parashar: man.
Avish Parashar: We may have to make.
Avish Parashar: We have not done a porn movie as people see that.
Mike Worth: it's such a good name for the pirate.
Avish Parashar: Oh, my God.
Mike Worth: will flow, the working title.
Avish Parashar: Alright, so.
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