Infinite Shelf - An Omnichannel Podcast by Future Commerce

Come At Me PacSun

• Everything and everyone is all about the metaverse right now. Brian is starting to think that the “metaverse is just the internet now.” Maybe it is, hence why some think NFTs, crypto, and bitcoin are part of the metaverse as well. 
• When we think about DTC we have to remember what the entailed vision was: “to disrupt the existing industry or category with a product that is equal to or better than the existing products that are available and make them more affordable and get them to you quicker.” -Ingrid
• Everyone is capable of doing everything because there is an audience
• “Crypto bros are basically just this generation's example of extreme couponers.” -Phillip
• A company-curated around being highly curated and centered around good company culture, and innovation will beat out money every single time.
• “The biggest opportunity in this current market is right now, everything that is going to be worth anything is entirely based on curation.” - Ingrid

Associated Links:

• Future Commerce’s 2022 Predictions Episode
• Tune into Infinite Shelf Season 2!
• Subscribe to Insiders and Senses to read more of our hot takes! 
• Listen to other episodes of Future Commerce

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The Pain of Privacy Updates and Acquisition Tracking

• HigherDOSE strikes an interesting balance between Wellness, Biohacking, and Tech. Their products are rooted in research to help their customers really get the most out of HigherDose products.
• We all know that the new iOS privacy updates and decrease in Facebook and Google analytics is a huge problem for marketers. Ingrid offers her advice as a three-pronged approach.
• Prong 1: Don’t just look at CAC (Customer Acquisition Cost), look more broadly at client relationship management. The iOS privacy update is not just a story about CAC (Customer Acquisition Costs), it's a combination between CAC and LTV (lifetime value).
• Prong 2: Invest in Good Influencers. In the age of tightening data and heightened iOS privacy updates, influencers are going to become a highly valuable channel.
• Prong 3: Invest in Channel Diversification. Client Relationship Management is Everything. Don’t ignore your CRM!
• How should brands allocate funds between Influencers and traditional channels such a Google and Facebook? Well, that depends, and it’s not the same for every brand.
• If you want to understand the full customer journey, you need to use a multi-touch attribution technology. You might have one-click conversions for products with a lower price point, but when you have more expensive products, customers will most likely require multiple interactions with your brand.
• Ingrid gives Katie & Lauren advice on what content she thinks would really resonate with HigherDOSE’s customer base.

Associated Links:

• Check out Yotpo
• Check out Gladly
• Check out Gorgias

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Workshopping the launch of a “Brand New Item” LIVE, ON AIR:

• Gabi is an Amazon guru, and the VP of Amazon Strategy for Garden of Life, a wellness company on a mission to empower extraordinary health
• “The great thing about Amazon is it is the window into the mass market.” -Gabi
• There are some perks to selling products on Amazon. Many individuals are typing and searching for products, they’re spoiled for choice. While on the other hand, it can be incredibly hard to not just be buried in the search results
• “Amazon is moving more into this social commerce of building the brands on Amazon, rather than allowing these brands to build their websites on Amazon.” 
• By allowing the brands to build their brand on Amazon, it disrupts the sequence of a consumer leaving Amazon to go learn more from the brands website
• You don’t necessarily need your brand to go viral, you just need to have strong presence on social media 
• “Never get into a level of complacency that you [feel you always] know what's going to happen next.”- Gabi
• The algorithm is constantly changing, so be willing to change with it 
• “Have the willingness to be open to have your mind changed or have your perspectives changed, and have this collective thinking in conversations.” -Gabi

Associated Links:

• Learn more about Gabi Viljoen and Garden of Life!
• Amazon for CMOs by Kiri Masters and Mark Power

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Workshopping for the Future

• Joe Fisch is the CEO of Wine Access, a web platform that makes it easy to discover wines through expert curation and their satisfaction guarantee.
• Wine Access is all about curation, content, and customer service. Joe believes that these three things are the core to Wine Access and everything else builds around it
• “Any time I'm meeting with anyone on my team, I always ask how they see the world? Is it through numbers? Is it through sounds? Is it through words? Is it through feelings? And have always tried to guide people in that way.” -Joe
• How they took a fast approach to scaling, and the appropriate steps they chose to follow from where they were going top line, how many bodies they would need, and how looking at a variable method could sometimes damage the infrastructure.
• “We said, OK, if we keep beating the drum and we hit the same core things of curation, content, and customer service, and we hit those over and over again, we can be a really successful company.” -Joe
• Joe and the Wine Access team are looking at the future on how to continue scaling and working with a new structure, so it’s time to workshop!
• To begin workshopping, it's important to look at the organization rationally, taking out the names of people in the positions, and just looking at the position
• When looking at each role independently, you can start to see the gaps in where an employee might need more help, or where they can create a separate new role in a different position, and bring on another strategic employee to fill the gaps
• “As your company grows and as your priorities change, it's really important on both sides, the employer and the employee, to take an honest look and determine whether what the company is doing is serving both parties.” -Ingrid

Associated Links:

• Learn more about Joe Fisch and Wine Access
• Think Again by Adam Grant

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For the last episode of Season 1, Ingrid is joined by Michael Bower, the Founder and CEO of Nyla. They talk about everything from the false dichotomy of the brand and conversion tension, how to look at the future agency models, DTC technology, and so much more. Listen now!

The Forever Changing Landscape of eCommerce

• {00:06:20} “But there's a language also in the thought process and the way that we address problems. And I think that there's a similar but distinctly different language that founders and retail merchants have to create and cultivate on their own.” - Ingrid
• {00:11:36} “The communication, while having that communication actually be more compelling, which is what conversion requires.” - Michael
• {00:19:16} “So like your brand, people probably are brand people because they care about the brand. Conversion people are probably conversion people because they're going to kind of lean that way, so that they'll acknowledge the other side. They won't necessarily see the other side, as the main reason or rationale.” - Michael
• {00:26:49} “So conceptually, I think eCommerce companies will have to key into something bigger than just everything that they've done so far. So is that their storytelling? Ok, great. Well, that's going to have to ratchet up a few notches.” - Michael
• {00:34:31} “They should be thinking about brand. They should be thinking about the future. They should be thinking about the human side. But, I think anybody in development in eCommerce knows that back end dev is not really a thing anymore, it's more front end dev.” - Michael
• {00:40:58} “There's lots and lots of incredible agencies, so many that I look up to and aspire to be more like, honestly. But I think that having the alignment between the merchant and the agency is the main thing that takes that from being dysfunctional and completely amazing.” - Michael

Associated Links: 

• Learn more about Michael Bower
• Check out the Nyla app
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Ingrid is joined by Arielle Knutson, former VP of Marketing at Nuun Hydration. They chat about her time at Nuun, building cultures and working environments, to building brands that people love and don't want to live without. Tune in now!

The Impact of Culture and Leadership 

• {00:09:21} “But I think some of the things that I always tried to stay mindful of, that I think really made that difference and that impact for Nuun as a brand is look inside before you look outside.” - Arielle
• {00:10:47} “But I think the magic really happens when an internal team that's working together to collaborate, to create a brand, it's like when they have that kind of brand and culture internally, the way that they bring it to consumers is just incredibly, incredibly authentic. And it's not a mission to make it seem authentic to consumers.” - Arielle
• {00:17:30} “And I think that the culture of giving people, like celebrating people trying their best and scaling up versus, like everything is for the win has actually created a safe environment for people to try new things without being afraid of failure, and I think that that has been a major game changer and enabler…” - Ingrid
• {00:24:03} “So if as leaders were going to ask our teams to, you know, launch programs successfully and achieve results and do more faster, better, that's what we're all always asking, then the utmost servant leadership approach is in order to do all of that, your team needs something from you as well.” - Arielle
• {00:33:17} “And I have to say that in almost all cases, that has served me and the team really well because I think that it is so much easier to teach a candidate or a new person joining the team, "This is how we x y z," because the reality is for most job functions, every single company, most companies, are going to do things differently.” - Arielle
• {00:39:44} “And so to really think about how your brand functions internally before you think about how it functions externally is the right order of operation to make sure that the team is sound and that the culture and the brand and the mission really, really are scalable.” - Arielle

Associated Links: 

• Check out the latest on Arielle Knutson
• Learn more about Nuun Hydration
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Today, Ingrid is joined by Issac Newton, Co-Founder/CEO of Pattern. Tune in to hear their conversation about what it takes to have trust in our partners. From hiring, to becoming servant leaders, and creating a safe environment. Listen now!

What’s Bigger Than Trust? 

• {00:11:31} "Hey, maybe we should do something together. We still have great chemistry. We love working together, we respect one another..." - Isaac
• {00:20:58} “Because the match means everything and they're not going to be happy and you're not going to be happy. And then on the other side, when there is a match, then that's really where the magic happens. I think that's really important.” - Ingrid
• {00:21:09} “And a lot of it just takes trust, right? And which is a whole other conversation that we'll dig into, hopefully when we talk about, like the founders and the brands that we work with.” - Isaac
• {00:27:10} “When starting a brand, you have to be passionate. It has to be a reflection of who you are as an individual. And so with that comes great responsibility of all the partners to make sure that they're seeing the vision through.” - Ingrid
• {00:32:49} “I'd say the last thing, and I tell this to everybody and I even tell this to prospects where I'm like, I'm 90 percent sure we are not going to work together. Speak with recent references. It is so critical.” - Isaac
• {00:35:53} “Yes, totally. Yeah, with teams and things like that, you're not doing anyone any favors by keeping someone on who isn't performing and the same thing with agencies as well.” -  Ingrid
• {00:39:35} “Yeah, I mean, it's all about, in our opinion, differentiation and storytelling. Really. And also being authentic. So if you can find the right balance of those things, that's where the future is.” - Isaac

Associated Links: 

• Learn more on Pattern’s website
• Learn more about founder Isaac Newton 
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Today on the pod, Phillip and Brian are back joining Ingrid in chatting about their mid-season favorite episodes. Tune in now!

Halftime Reflection…”What’s Going on Everyone?”

• {00:02:14} “He actually listens to the episodes with a pen and paper and a notepad next to him so that he can write down some of his thoughts as he's listening so he doesn't forget when we are talking about it later.” - Ingrid
• {00:05:32} “What struck me here is it reminded me of a conversation that we had in a simpler time, Brian, of the The Age of Clienteling and how digital can bring clientele to anyone. And yet so many brands don't even bother.” - Phillip
• {00:11:59} “Yes. Ok, so the next one was my favorite episode. That's why I wanted to do it. So I think that the episode with FindMine and Michelle was so eye opening to me about how organizations actually accomplish innovation.” - Brian
• {00:14:54} “Yeah, that might be some of the best advice I've heard in a long time, too. It's great, great, just like teasing out of the details there with Michelle, Ingrid. Nice job.” - Brian
• {00:22:07} “That's the other thing I think we always miss for every twenty great marketing interactions, they're only meaningful if you have a great product at the end. Ingrid, always great hearing you sort of lend your expertise in the context of another conversation.” - Phillip
• {00:34:57} “Like literally everything happens because people can't stand being bored. And so by the time when we kind of cycle through technology and we've done it long enough, we have to do something new. We have to. We literally cannot even.” - Brian

Associated Links: 

• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Today we are talking Blockchain, Metaverse and Web3. Michael Janiak, the Co-Founder and Executive Creative Director at Pattern joins us to talk all about it. Tune in now to hear this enlightening conversation!

Your identity is in your back pocket 

• {00:04:53} “What it means to me at its core is essential that rather than being based largely on private servers, Web3 is largely, the idea is to largely base it on public Blockchains. That is the core fundamental difference between where we've been and where it could go.” - Michael
• {00:07:38} “And as I walk into stores, they welcome me because they know who I am and what I am, because my identity is sort of like splayed on myself without me explicitly saying, ‘Hey, here's who I am, and here are the things that you should know about me.’” - Ingrid
• {00:13:48} “And so, in my opinion, it's like everything else with new technology. The technology's awesome. But until you find creative people to use it in really interesting ways, it doesn't do a whole lot.” - Michael
• {00:21:39} “So now you can buy an NFT and remember, because it's in your wallet and because it's on a publicly distributed Blockchain, you can take it wherever you want.” - Michael
• {00:34:47} “…if you look at their screen time, they are spending between school and private life and all of that, they're spending 10 hours a day having screen time. They already live in the Metaverse to some extent.” - Ingrid
• {00:43:16} “And so you, Michael, are someone who enjoys and thrives in the positivity and happiness that connectivity can bring. And I think you're going to find that place in the physical world and in the Metaverse.” - Ingrid
• {00:50:04} “And you also really touched on something that is very, very core to this whole notion of Web3 and decentralization and things like that, which is you had mentioned like interacting with government and taxes and things like that.” - Michael

Associated Links: 

• Check out Michael Janiak’s work on LinkedIn
• Learn more on Pattern’s website
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Ingrid’s good friend and colleague, Garrett Bluhm, joins the pod today to talk about all things Amazon. There are a lot of things going on within the Amazon world at all times, but this episode is dedicated to what it means to be a brand, quote-unquote on Amazon, what that looks like going into 2022, and the epic growth of Amazon consolidators aggregator machines. Listen now!

Building a Brand fit for Amazon 

• {00:04:16} “And one of those things that I've been interested in following is just all of the consolidators and aggregators and just the amount of, frankly, money and capital that's being poured into these companies that are ultimately buying up smaller mom and pop shops on Amazon and brands and then consolidating them into a bigger machine for profitability and just understanding what is growing.” - Ingrid
• {00:08:02} “The real question is like, I'm like, struggling, like, OK, so how do you build your labels? What is your branding like? How do you build brand awareness?” - Garrett
• {00:13:54} “Rule number one, two, and three in any type of consumer facing business is please don't assume that your consumer is stupid.” - Ingrid
• {00:17:53} “And what that means is that the trends that are happening on Amazon are going to directly reflect everywhere else.” - Garrett
• {00:20:25} “It really comes down to focusing on your products and your brand and being differentiated. If you're a brand that is hoping that your Alibaba white labeled product with your logo on it is going to be there forever, you're not thinking clearly because that is not going to last longer than that life cycle of when that timeline happens, right?” - Garrett
• {00:26:21} “And this is why we're seeing tons of investments starting to flow into incubators into what are like traditional accelerators, where they invest in a brand that's small and then they provide services to kind of help them grow. I mean, that space is booming right now.” - Garrett
• {00:34:35} “The ones that are driven by consolidators are probably going to see lighter discounts. They'll probably continue to do them. Subscription's a big thing.” - Garrett
• {00:36:21} “There's just so many. We keep saying this, but capital has become a commodity, and it's just so true. And so that's why there is all this competition for being an aggregator, consolidator.” - Ingrid

Associated Links: 

• Take a look at the Drafted Commerce website
• Check out Garrett Bluhm’s LinkedIn
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Today Ingrid has a conversation with Wilson Griffin of Recurate to talk about why and how brands can take charge of their secondhand market capitalization while doing the most impactful thing a fashion brand can do where it's sustainability. 

Can I gain value in this purchase? 

• {00:06:00} “But I love the concept that you're sort of taking the brands away from this pattern of create something, sell something, create something, sell something. Where it's like, create something and then sell it. And then sell it again.” - Ingrid
• {00:11:15} “So clearly, there is so much benefit to creating something once and selling it more than once. Dear CFOs, if you're listening, that's where your ears perk up. But now to the brand marketers and the people who are trying really, really hard to develop this unique brand connection with their consumers, here's another really rich place to mine for those moments.” - Ingrid
• {00:16:38} “I mean, I just shared that anecdote, but also if a brand is going to encourage and promote resale on their site, that is such a vote of confidence from that brand that their products are going to last and are going to hold up. So it's just a subtle but really strong way for brand to stand behind their products and their quality. We also talk about this idea of sort of de-risking that initial purchase.” - Wilson
• {00:18:22} “I am probably going to buy something new, but I'm going to pull the trigger even faster because I know that when I'm done with it, I'll be able to resell it.” - Ingrid
• {00:26:41} “And so this one to one relationship and the authentication component, is also, I think, really important. Because me, if I'm buying something second hand, I want to make sure that it's real. And so the fact that you can only sell something from this history of buying it from the brand is a really big stop gap.” - Ingrid

Associated Links: 

• Check out Recurate
• Learn more about Wilson Griffin
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

At some point, we all find ourselves stuck in our mission to accomplish a goal. We're unable to move forward, solve the problem, or convince people to see things in a new way. We just get frustrated. These are moments where the connections that we make with the humans around us make a huge difference. Michelle Bacharach, Founder/CEO of FindMine joins Ingrid today to chat about empowering our teams in this mission. Listen now!

Building Successful Innovation Teams

• {00:02:41} “So most brands and retailers have more products than they can produce high quality content for.” - Michelle
• {00:07:36} “Because a lot of innovation teams don't have budget, and then they either expect a free pilot, which sometimes that works for the startups business model. Sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you just can't give away a free pilot.” - Michelle
• {00:16:55} “Oh, the second one is really about kind of organizational structure in terms of like breaking down silos because we're a small company, we don't have this problem, and so it's very easy to stand on my pedestal and say ‘You shouldn't have silos in your organization,’...” - Michelle
• {00:20:03} “And so you have to set up your organization in order to be where the customer is. And the customer frankly, is just everywhere, especially in this post-COVID world.” - Ingrid
• {00:28:03} “Yeah, I think that the difference is organizations that view tech as a means to an end and then organizations who treat them like they're the end in of itself.” - Michelle
• {00:32:33} “So you're going to still have to go to marketing, you're still going to have to go to retail, you're still going to have to go to the email teams and the eCom teams and the merchants all kind of separate. And the innovation team members know those people really well. They understand the organization. They know who the power players are.” - Michelle
• {00:35:39} “So it's really important to just keep them in mind that how someone's relationship with their boss can make or break whether they want to use your software in their day to day. And I think so often software sales teams forget about that that it all comes back to human behavior at the end of the day.” - Michelle

Associated Links: 

• Check out Michelle on LinkedIn
• Visit the FindMine website
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

We keep it real here on Infinite Shelf. We don't paint a shiny varnish on a messy topic and gloss over the details. We put on our reality hats, face facts, and try to solve the problem as best we can. Today on the pod we'll do exactly that in Ingrid’s interview with Givz Founder and CEO, Andrew Forman. Listen now!

Discount Double Check?   

• {00:04:09} “First, brands are trying to get away from discounts as much as humanly possible. They recognize it brings in the lowest lifetime value customers the first time... So how do we get away from this, but still drive sales is question one/trend one. And then trend two, totally separately, is that consumers are demanding some sort of purpose driven activity from brands.” - Andrew
• {00:09:30} “I will take a discount, right? But it's not necessarily that I need that three dollars off or something like that. Like, it's going to make the difference between like pulling the trigger or not. And it's become, I would say, like a game for internet savvy people of just not being fooled.” - Ingrid
• {00:12:59} “I mean, once you buy something at 70 percent off, your perception of that brand in terms of value that is created, there's just no chance that you pay even 20 percent off ever again on something like that.” - Andrew
• {00:16:25} “But at the end of the day, what we see in the data is that people want to feel good about their purchasing and they want to shout about it, and this is something that can get them over the hump in terms of buying something.” - Andrew
• {00:24:52} “If you're saying one percent of revenue or 10 percent of profits goes to this one specific charity, and maybe you've been doing that for a long time, I guarantee you 80 percent of your customers don't know that or don't know the cause or don't really, truly resonate with that cause.” - Andrew 

Associated Links: 

• Follow Andrew on Twitter
• Follow Givz on Instagram
• Visit the Givz website
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Joining Ingrid today is Madison Semarjian, CEO/Founder of The Mada App. Tune in to hear a thing or two from Madison about designing and launching products that people will love. 

Out with the old, in with the new.  

• {00:03:28} “So I really wanted to figure out how we can use artificial intelligence and other technology to really build this meaningful connection with younger generations? So, yeah, that's kind of how it came about.” - Madison
• {00:04:03} “So, you know, my age group is the first one to grow up with access to the world in their pocket with their iPhone. So we do have really high expectations, and we're very savvy, and we're used to having access to everything. So I think that really the first place to start is by delivering very relevant and meaningful experiences.” - Madison
• {00:011:55} “We just have way too many choices, and it makes you feel like when everything is a choice, you don't have any choice because it's just this confusing wave of everything.” - Ingrid
• {00:18:34} “And I think what you're seeing with this new rise of videos and what's trending is it's actually like you're bringing a lot more real life to it. You're not going to grow on Instagram anymore if you're providing this picture-perfect life. Like people want real conversations.” - Madison
• {00:25:48} “And I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if, like the younger generation and the trendsetting generation isn't, you're not relevant with them, you're in a tough spot.” - Ingrid

Associated Links: 

• Follow Madison on Instagram
• Follow the Mada App on Instagram
• Download the Mada App 
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!

Today on the pod, Ingrid sat down with April Uchitel, Co-Founder and CEO of THE BOARD. They chat about talent and the humans behind the brands that bring brands to life. PLUS: product development, distribution, marketing, and everything in between that wouldn't be possible without those people. Listen now!

“It gets lonely at the top”

• {00:06:03} “A lot of young entrepreneurs moving at the speed of light, you know, kind of that move fast, break things, don't ask for permission and apologize later mentality, which is just not the world that I ever grew up in.” - April
• {00:011:16} “But ultimately, it started to be a little bit like, ‘Hey, collectively wear so much more powerful if we help each other.’” - April
• {00:020:20} “Are they sustainable? Are they doing something better for the planet or society on a whole in terms of potentially giving back or supporting certain communities?” - April
• {00:026:21} “Because it all kind of goes back to something that you said earlier, which is identifying your superpower. Having a really honest conversation with my team and myself about what are the things that we know how to do really, really, really well?” - Ingrid
• {00:038:08} “Exactly. It's just an honest conversation that sometimes we're just too polite or even too busy to have.” - Ingrid 
• {00:040:13} “It's really this idea of almost an advisory, but you know, a monthly call with this curated group of people, depending on your business and your needs where you really can have a safe space, a little bit life coach, a little bit strategy, venting, connecting, leveraging networks, ideation, kind of A B thinking and help founders and CEOs in that space between where it's really lonely, where again you have to kind of manage your investors a certain way.” - April
• {00:045:34} “Because like you were saying, it gets lonely at the top. You can't be super transparent with your board, your actual board, And then you have to keep up this appearance with your employees.” - Ingrid
• {00:048:03} “It's really like, how do we support you? What are your challenges? What can we take? What can we do together? What can we help you think through differently? And so we want to work in a different way and we want to really immerse ourselves not only just with the senior leadership, but whoever is touching that project.” - April

Associated Links: 

• Follow April Uchitel on Instagram
• Learn more about The Board
• Love your new host? Check her out on LinkedIn
• Check out other Future Commerce podcasts

Have any questions or comments about the show? Let us know on Futurecommerce.fm, or reach out to us on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, or LinkedIn. We love hearing from our listeners!