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    Reading Jane Austen

    Ellen and Harriet are a mother and daughter who have been talking about Jane Austen together since Harriet was first old enough to read her. In this podcast, we will be doing a close reading of the books.In each episode, we will look at a few chapters. As well as talking about anything that strikes us in the chapters, we will also pick a favourite sentence, have a discussion about one of the characters, and then Ellen will give a social historian perspective about some element of the nineteenth century that seems pertinent, and Harriet will talk about the chapters in pop culture adaptations of the book.
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    Episodes (43)

    S04E09 Emma, Chapters 42 to 45

    S04E09 Emma, Chapters 42 to 45

    In this episode, we read chapters 42 to 45 of Emma. We talk about the dropping of clues about Jane and Frank, Donwell Abbey and Mr Knightley’s arrangements for the strawberry picking, how nobody is enjoying themselves at Box Hill, and the pressures on Jane.

    The character we discuss is Emma, and in the historical section Ellen talks about watering places. In the popular culture section, Harriet reflects back on the screen adaptations of Emma, considering her favourite moments from each version, and then how they dealt with some of the major characters.

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    • Adaptations:
      • BBC, Emma (1972) – starring Doran Godwin and John Carson
      • Miramax, Emma (1996) – starring Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeremy Northam
      • ITV, Emma (1996) – starring Kate Beckinsale and Mark Strong
      • BBC, Emma (2009) – starring Romola Garai and Jonny Lee Miller
      • Working Title Films, Emma (2020) – starring Anya Taylor-Joy and Johnny Flynn
    • Modernisations:
      • Paramount Pictures, Clueless (1995) – starring Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd
      • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Emma Approved (2013) – starring Joanna Sotomura and Brent Bailey

      For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.     

    S04E08 Emma, Chapters 37 to 41

    S04E08 Emma, Chapters 37 to 41

    In this episode, we read chapters 37 to 41 of Emma. We talk about the parallel narratives, the ball at the Crown, Emma’s awareness of Mr Knightley, the section from Mr Knightley’s point of view and the tension between Jane and Frank.

    The character we discuss is Mr Knightley, and in the historical section Ellen talks about poverty and the labouring classes. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 2017 YouTube series The Emma Agenda.

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    • Main version considered:
      • YouTube, Quip Modest Productions, The Emma Agenda (2017) – starring Selis Maria Vargas and Angela Wong Carbone
    • Other references
      • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Emma Approved (2013) – starring Joanna Sotomura and Brent Bailey
      • ITV, Emma (1996) – starring Kate Beckinsale and Mark Strong
      • Working Title Films, Emma (2020) – starring Anya Taylor-Joy and Johnny Flynn

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    S04E07 Emma, Chapters 32 to 36

    S04E07 Emma, Chapters 32 to 36

    In this episode, we read chapters 32 to 36 of Emma. We talk about the civil society of Highbury, why Jane puts up with Mrs Elton, and Emma’s dinner party.

    The character we discuss is Mrs Elton, and Ellen talks about governesses. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 2013 YouTube series Emma Approved .

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    • Main version considered:
      • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Emma Approved (2013) – starring Joanna Sotomura and Brent Bailey
    • Other references
      • YouTube, Pemberley Digital, Lizzie Bennet Diaries (2012) – starring Ashley Clements and Daniel Vincent Gordh
      • Paramount Pictures, Clueless (1995) – starring Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd

     For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.    

    S04E06 Emma, Chapters 27 to 31

    S04E06 Emma, Chapters 27 to 31


    In this episode, we read chapters 27 to 31 of Emma. We talk about the entwined group of people who visit one another, how so many scenes read differently the second time through, Miss Bates’s monologues, Jane and the piano, reactions to the plan of having a ball, and Emma encouraging Harriet to stop thinking about Mr Elton. 

    The character we discuss is Harriet Smith, and Ellen talks about illegitimacy. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 1995 modernisation Clueless.

    Also, we are now on Instagram, at reading_jane_austen.

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    • Main version considered:
      • Paramount Pictures, Clueless (1995) – starring Alicia Silverstone and Paul Rudd
    • Other 1990s/2000s high school films based on classic literature

     For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.   

    S04E05 Emma, Chapters 22 to 26

    S04E05 Emma, Chapters 22 to 26

    In this episode, we read chapters 22 to 26 of Emma. We talk about Frank’s arrival, the dinner at the Coles, and the way so much looks different in a second reading, 

    The characters we discuss are Mr and Mrs Weston, including a consideration of what we know of Mrs Weston’s pregnancy. Ellen talks about social customs, including calling and dinner parties. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 2020 Working Title Films adaptation of Emma.

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    S04E04 Emma, Chapters 16 to 21

    S04E04 Emma, Chapters 16 to 21

    In this episode, we are joined by Harriet’s partner, Michael, and read chapters 16 to 21 of Emma. We talk about the mystery plots, Emma’s fantasies, Emma and Mr Knightley’s interactions, and Harriet’s encounter with Mr Martin (which had us revisiting the map of Highbury).

    The character we discuss is Miss Bates, and then Michael talks about army widows and orphans. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 2009 BBC adaptation of Emma.

    Things we mention:

    General discussion:

    • John Mullan, What Matters in Jane Austen?: Twenty Crucial Puzzles Solved (2012)
    • Map of Highbury, created by Professor Penny Gay of the University of Sydney, and reproduced with her permission. The map was drawn in the 1980s and published in Penny Gay’s work Jane Austen’s Emma (Horizon Studies in Literature) Sydney University Press, 1995. More information about it is available in ‘A Hypothetical Map of Highbury‘, Persuasions Online, Volume 36, No. 1, Winter 2015.

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    • Main version considered:
      • BBC, Emma (2009) – starring Romola Garai and Jonny Lee Miller
    • Other versions mentioned
      • BBC, Emma (1972) – starring Doran Godwin and John Carson
      • Miramax, Emma (1996) – starring Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeremy Northam
      • ITV, Emma (1996) – starring Kate Beckinsale and Mark Strong

     For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.  

    S04E03 Emma, Chapters 11 to 15

    S04E03 Emma, Chapters 11 to 15

    In this episode, we read chapters 11 to 15 of Emma. We talk about the introduction of John and Isabella Knightley, how Emma really doesn’t understand the social world, the clash between Isabella and Mr Woodhouse about health – and how Emma and Mr Knightley are running interference – and the way in which the Frank/Jane plot is beginning to be introduced before the Harriet/Mr Elton plot is resolved.

    The character we discuss is Mr Elton, and then Ellen talks about apothecaries. In the popular culture section, Harriet talks about the 1996 ITV telemovie adaptation of Emma.

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    • Main version considered:
      • ITV, Emma (1996) – starring Kate Beckinsale and Mark Strong
    • Other versions mentioned
      • BBC, Emma (1972) – starring Doran Godwin and John Carson
      • Miramax, Emma (1996) – starring Gwyneth Paltrow and Jeremy Northam

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    S04E02 Emma, Chapters 6 to 10

    S04E02 Emma, Chapters 6 to 10

    In this episode, we read chapters 6 to 10 of Emma. We talk about the hints Jane Austen gives us about Emma’s blunders, Emma’s manipulation of Harriet after Mr Martin’s proposal, the argument between Emma and Mr Knightley, Harriet’s riddle book, Emma’s and Mr Elton’s respective views of his place in the social hierarchy, and Emma’s lack of need to get married. (There was also a lengthy discussion of ‘Kitty, a fair but frozen maid’, which we ended up editing out, and just pointing to Lona Manning’s article and blog posts on the subject.) 

    We discuss the Martin family (specifically, Mr Martin and his mother), and in the historical section Ellen talks about vicars and parish business. Harriet talks about the 1996 Miramax film adaptation of Emma.

    For a list of references, see this episode on our website. 

    S04E01 Emma, Chapters 1 to 5

    S04E01 Emma, Chapters 1 to 5

    In this episode, we read the first five chapters of Emma. We give a brief publishing history, and talk about how much we learn about the occupants of Highbury, the introduction of the relationship between Emma and Mr Knightley, Emma’s manipulation of Harriet, and Emma’s personality (and how our views of her are changing on this readthrough).

    The character we discuss is Mr Woodhouse, and in the historical section Ellen talks about boarding schools. Harriet gives an overview of all of the popular culture versions of Emma, and explains that due to the number of adaptations there have been, she will talk about one version each episode, rather than trying to cover all of them. For this episode, she talks about the 1972 BBC adaptation.

     For a list of references, see this episode on our website.    

    S03E11 Mansfield Park: Episode 11, Chapters 46-48

    S03E11 Mansfield Park: Episode 11, Chapters 46-48
    In this episode, we finish up reading Mansfield Park, with Chapters 46 to 48. We talk about contrasts within the book, the attitude to Maria and Henry, Edmund and Fanny’s views of Mary, Sir Thomas’s reflections in the final chapter, the wrapping up of the other characters and how we are told about Edmund falling in love with Fanny.

    We discuss Fanny Price, then Ellen talks about principle and education, and Harriet looks at how adaptations and modernisations treat these chapters. 

    Things we mention: 

    General and character discussion:

    • Margaret Drabble,  “Introduction”,  Mansfield Park (1996 – Signet Classics edition)
    • Anthony Powell, Casanova’s Chinese Restaurant [volume 5 of A Dance to the Music of Time] (1960)
    • William Shakespeare, Henry IV Parts 1 and 2
    • Sheila Kaye-Smith and G.B. Stern, Talking of Jane Austen (1943) and More Talk of Jane Austen (1950)
    • Tony Tanner, various works including “Introduction”, Mansfield Park (1966 – Penguin Books edition)
    • Marvin Mudrick, Jane Austen; irony as defense and discovery (1952)
    • Mary Brunton, Self-Control (1810)
    • Linda V Troost and Sayre N Greenfield, “A History of the Fanny Wars”, Persuasions 36 (1), 2014, pp. 15–33.
    • D W Harding, ‘Regulated Hatred: An aspect of the work of Jane Austen’, Scrutiny, 8 (4), 1940, pp. 346–362.
    • C S Lewis, ‘A Note on Jane Austen’, Essays in Criticism, IV (4), October 1954, pp. 359–371.
    • Lionel Trilling, “Mansfield Park“, Partisan Review 21 (September-October 1954): 492-511. Also published in Encounter, September 1954: 9-19.
    • Kingsley Amis, “What Became of Jane Austen?”, The Spectator, 4 October 1957 – republished in What Became of Jane Austen? And Other Questions (1970)
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    For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.    

    Bonus mini-episode - 'Rational Creatures' co-creators

    Bonus mini-episode - 'Rational Creatures' co-creators

    In this bonus mini-episode, Harriet has a discussion with three of the co-creators of webseries Rational Creatures

    This series, based on Persuasion, started in 2019, but then had to go on a long and unexpected hiatus due to the global pandemic.

    Just as Jane Austen used her books to shed light on social issues of her time, RATIONAL CREATURES reflects the world around us now by including complex female characters, happy queer stories, mental and chronic illness, and a bisexual Latina lead.

     (https://rationalseries.wixsite.com/site/about) 

    The series paused after Episode 5, on 15 October 2019, and resumed on 20 September 2022. Shortly before this, Harriet was invited to have a conversation with three of the co-creators: Jessamyn Leigh, Anya Steiner and Hazel Jeffs.

    You can check out Rational Creatures at:

    S03E10 Mansfield Park: Episode 10, Chapters 40-45

    S03E10 Mansfield Park: Episode 10, Chapters 40-45

    In this episode, we read Chapters 40 to 45 of Mansfield Park. We talk about the plot of a girl brought up in privileged circumstances returning to her family, Mary’s letters and how Fanny responds to them, the success of Henry’s visit, Edmund’s letter to Fanny, and Tom’s illness.

    We discuss the Price family (with a slight digression into the idea of disposition and principle), then Ellen talks about servants and Harriet looks at how adaptations and modernisations treat these chapters. 

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    S03E09 Mansfield Park: Episode 9, Chapters 35-39

    S03E09 Mansfield Park: Episode 9, Chapters 35-39

    In this episode, we read Chapters 35 to 39 of Mansfield Park. We talk about how Edmund and Mary dismiss Fanny’s concerns about Henry, Sir Thomas’s decision to send Fanny back to Portsmouth, Fanny and William’s journey, the comedy of the arrival in Portsmouth, Fanny’s reaction to the house, and the very realistic and grounded nature of the Portsmouth scenes .

    We discuss Edmund Bertram, then Harriet’s partner Michael talks about the Marines. Harriet looks at how adaptations and modernisations treat these chapters, and then Ellen talks about a later nineteenth century novel influenced by Mansfield Park

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     For a list of music used, and a map of Mansfield Park locations, see this episode on our website.   

    S03E08 Mansfield Park: Episode 8, Chapters 31-34

    S03E08 Mansfield Park: Episode 8, Chapters 31-34

    In this episode, we read Chapters 31 to 34 of Mansfield Park. We talk about Fanny's initial failure to realise she has received a true proposal, the amount of pressure placed on her to accept, the picture everyone has of little, modest Fanny, and the difference between Sir Thomas and Fanny's views of marriage. 

    We discuss Henry Crawford, then Ellen talks about ordination, and Harriet looks at how adaptations and modernisations treat these chapters, particularly the scene between Fanny and Sir Thomas. 

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    • Adaptations:
      • BBC, Mansfield Park (1983) – starring Sylvestra Le Touzel and Nicholas Farrell (6 episodes)
      • Miramax, Mansfield Park (1999) – starring Frances O’Connor and Jonny Lee Miller
      • ITV, Mansfield Park (2007) – starring Billie Piper and Blake Ritson
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    S03E07 Mansfield Park: Episode 7, Chapters 26-30

    S03E07 Mansfield Park: Episode 7, Chapters 26-30

    In this episode, we read Chapters 26 to 30 of Mansfield Park. We talk about Fanny’s preparations for the ball, the amber cross, her emotion reactions after Edmund gives her the chain, her post-ball meeting with Mary, and the scene where Henry tells Mary he plans to marry Fanny.

    We discuss Lady Bertram, then Ellen talks about what is meant by being ‘out’, and Harriet follows this with some information about balls and dancing. Harriet also talks about how adaptations and modernisations treat these chapters. 

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    • Adaptations:
      • BBC, Mansfield Park (1983) – starring Sylvestra Le Touzel and Nicholas Farrell (6 episodes)
      • Miramax, Mansfield Park (1999) – starring Frances O’Connor and Jonny Lee Miller
      • ITV, Mansfield Park (2007) – starring Billie Piper and Blake Ritson
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     For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.  

    S03E06 Mansfield Park: Episode 6, Chapters 22-25

    S03E06 Mansfield Park: Episode 6, Chapters 22-25

    In this episode, we read Chapters 22 to 25 of Mansfield Park. We talk about the friendship between Fanny and Mary, the tension between Mary and Edmund, Henry’s plan to make Fanny fall in love with him (and Mary’s reaction), William’s view of Fanny, the tour de force of Chapter 25 (the Speculation chapter), and Ellen’s articulation of why she cares about what happens to Fanny.

    We discuss Dr and Mrs Grant, then Harriet’s partner Michael talks about the navy, with a focus on the process of passing from midshipman to lieutenant. Harriet talks about how adaptations and modernisations treat these chapters.

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     For a list of other references and music used, see this episode on our website.   


    S03E05 Mansfield Park: Episode 5, Chapters 17-21

    S03E05 Mansfield Park: Episode 5, Chapters 17-21

    In this episode, we read Chapters 17 to 21 of Mansfield Park. We talk about Fanny’s moral trajectory during the theatricals, Mary’s casual acceptance of Henry’s behaviour with Maria, the cliffhanger ending of Volume 1 in the first edition, and Fanny’s question to Sir Thomas about the slave trade (with Harriet’s theory as to why she asked it).

    We talk about Sir Thomas, first considering how he is presented in the text, and then how we reconcile this with the fact that his estate in Antigua is worked by enslaved people. Ellen looks at the clergy, including the presentation of livings, pluralism and absenteeism, and the career path for the clergy. Harriet talks about the popular culture versions.

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    • Adaptations:
      • BBC, Mansfield Park (1983) – starring Sylvestra Le Touzel and Nicholas Farrell (6 episodes)
      • Miramax, Mansfield Park (1999) – starring Frances O’Connor and Jonny Lee Miller
      • ITV, Mansfield Park (2007) – starring Billie Piper and Blake Ritson
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    S03E04 Mansfield Park: Episode 4, Chapters 12-16

    S03E04 Mansfield Park: Episode 4, Chapters 12-16

    In this episode, we read Chapters 12 to 16 of Mansfield Park. We talk about why Fanny refuses to act, why Edmund agrees to join in, the sheer amount of comedy in the scenes of the theatricals, and the Cinderella aspect of the plot.

    We talk about Tom Bertram, and then Ellen looks at theatre in the Regency period, and why Fanny and Edmund disapprove of the the theatricals. Harriet talks about the popular culture versions, including some modernisations and a variation that she hasn’t looked at before.

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     For a list of music used, see this episode on our website.  

    S03E03 Mansfield Park: Episode 3, Chapters 8-11

    S03E03 Mansfield Park: Episode 3, Chapters 8-11

    In this episode, we read Chapters 8 to 11 of Mansfield Park. We revisit the issue of how Jane Austen opposes Fanny and Mary, and look at the flirting techniques of Mary and Henry, Fanny’s expectations of Edmund, whether there is symbolism in the scene at the ha-ha, and Mary’s criticism of Dr Grant.

    The characters we talk about are Maria and Julia, and then Ellen looks at the idea of improvement of estates – and what a ha-ha is. Harriet’s discussion of the popular culture versions is a bit shorter than usual, owing to the fact that two of the adaptations completely omit the Sotherton section.

     For a list of references and other links, plus photographs of ha-has, see this episode on our website

    S03E02 Mansfield Park: Episode 2, Chapters 4-7

    S03E02 Mansfield Park: Episode 2, Chapters 4-7

    In this episode, we read Chapters 4 to 7 of Mansfield Park. We talk about the character-revealing scenes, how the presentation of Fanny may make some readers dislike her, why Maria became engaged to Mr Rushworth, and Henry Crawford’s behaviour.

    We discuss the character of Mary Crawford – who is perhaps almost as divisive as Fanny Price – and then Ellen talks about baronets, Members of Parliament, and the idea of ‘interest’. Harriet considers how the three adaptations, and two of the modernisations, present these chapters. 

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