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    Running On Purpose

    A seasonal, bi-weekly podcast dedicated to training the body, mind & soul for what the race requires.
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    Episodes (40)

    The Innerwork Dialogues 03: On "Goallessness" & Process

    The Innerwork Dialogues 03: On "Goallessness" & Process

    I am back with Kobe of the In The Zone podcast, where we are primarily focused on the inner game of running. What are the varieties of inner experience, that some may call spiritual, & how to they impact our training & racing. In this specific episode we explore the concept of "goallessness" or framing one's running experience without the typical overriding focus on goals & outcomes. Using Kobe's recent training focus away from outcomes & toward process, we dive really deep into som of my very favorite topics: the importance to have varied racing & training experiences to become a more complete runner, how process can open up much greater fitness, how running ins a path with heart, & various other modes of appreciating how limiting goals & expectations can be in our training & racing experiences. I hope you enjoy this episode I call On "Goallessness" & Process. Godspeed my friends, godspeed. 

    The Mission Protocol: Brief, Intention, Execution & Debrief

    The Mission Protocol: Brief, Intention, Execution & Debrief

    In this essential episode, I walk through the single most important protocol one can implement this year & in the future for vastly improving their performance in training & racing. There is a ton of very important information here. It can be distilled as follows: 

    The Mission Protocol. 

    The Brief is the Vision. The intention is the Seed. Training is the water/ground/conditions.  Rest & recovery are the Harvest. The Debrief is the Full Belly & Story/Map for future Vision. 


    As mentioned in the episode, please see the Google Document entitled THE MISSION PROTOCOL for tracking the content of this episode & future reference. 

    The Innerwork Dialogues 02: Designing a Spiritual Training Plan

    The Innerwork Dialogues 02: Designing a Spiritual Training Plan
    “The bad news is that you are falling through the air, there is nothing to hang onto, and you have no parachute. 
    The good news is that there is no ground.” 
    ~Chögyam Trungpa

    We are back in conversation with Kobe Blondeel from In The Zone podcast for another of what we are calling The Innerwork Dialogues. Our goal with these discussions is to begin to attempt to sketch the outline & form of a concrete & practical approach to incorporating & exploring the spiritual path with running. 

    We cover a lot of ground in this conversation. A few of the 

    • The Big Picture View
    • Training Weaknesses Early & Strengths Late
    • Intentions
    • Overcoming a Toxic Running Culture
    • The Felt Sense
    • An Anatomy of Soul
    • Staying Open 
    • Brief & Debrief
    • Pattern Recognition & Reversal
    • Being in process 

    In the final 20 minutes, Steve brings forward an actual, real life example of how a spiritual approach (process in this case) can improve an athlete's training & racing experience in potentially evidential ways. 
    & Kobe discusses how a "failure" experience of trying to run under 20 hours in a recent 100M event, where he finished 4 hours slower than his goal. & yet, he was deeply moved by how he was still possible to tap into the love of the process. 
    At the end of the episode we ask your to reach out to us if have specific questions or examples so we can use them to help clarify our point. 
    We hope you are encouraged & inspired by this episode to continue to take risks & dive into your next challenge. 
    Godspeed, my friends, godspeed. 

    Charlotte Grysolle on the Nervous System & Breathwork for Runners

    Charlotte Grysolle on the Nervous System & Breathwork for Runners

    If you are anything like me, you probably listen to a lot of podcasts. I mean, here you are, listening to this one now. & it can be challenging to process the content in a long, deep episode & come away with concrete, actionable takeaways. I'll be listening to an episode & have a note file started on my phone so I can jot down key insights or inspiring ideas I want to develop later. If this is you, you are going to love my guest this week. Charlotte Grysolle is an online writer who distills in her weekly newsletter "tools & resources to experiment with your mental and physical performance • Guaranteed to teach you something new about your mind and body in just 15 minutes per week". She calls it Stretch Letter & there is a link below to subscribe to it. & it's free. & it is chock full of practical content. & that content is highly applicable for runners of all levels as she is a runner herself & uses the newsletter to work through the experiments & practices she researches.  Stretch Letter comes out each Friday & I invariably read it the day it arrives.I believe you will, as well.  I was so excited to talk with Charlotte & hope you'll find the conversation as stimulating & inspiring as I did. Topics we cover in this episode are Charlotte's running journey, our future admission into the Andrew Huberman Fan Club, understanding the nervous system, the importance of breath for runners & considering our "future self in relation to goal setting. 
     
    Links
    Charlotte's Stretch Letter

    The View: arête Re-release w/ Jason Brooks

    The View: arête Re-release w/ Jason Brooks

    This episode is filled with gold. While the recording quality was abysmal - totally a fault of my using a recording system I was unaccustomed to - the discussion is phenomenal. I as mentioned in the last RoP episode, sometime getting more context & discussion around the heady, meta foundation of worldview can be challenging. This discussion has many takeaways & practical applications that would have taken me too much time to articulate in a solo episode. On tip of that, I hope to coax my interlocutor - my brother in soul & the run, Jason Brooks - to continue where we started with these episodes. If you like this discussion, there are several more in this short-lived podcast experiment under the show name arête or RunGnosis. Below are links on Apple Podcasts & Spotify.
    Apple: RunGnosis: arête
    Spotify: RunGnosis: arête
    As usual, I am honored by your ears & attention. I simply ask you bring these ideas forward & apply them in your personal running journey. My goal is to revision running & steal the toxic culture of acquisition & outcomes over the freedom & fluid process of self-discovery & soul-making. 
    Godspeed, my friends, godspeed. 

    Ballad of a Thin Man: Worldview as Foundation

    Ballad of a Thin Man: Worldview as Foundation
    Because something is happening here but you don't know what it is
    Do you, Mr. Jones?
    -Bob Dyan, Ballad of a Thin Man

    This intro is from Cat Power's recently released live album Cat Power Sings Dylan: The 1966 Royal Albert Hall Concert. I highly recommend this album & of course the various originals Dylan himself released. 
    This episode takes this quote as inspiration for exploring worldviews as foundation for running, training & racing. 

    Go On, Be Brave: On Gratitude w/ Bill Corrigan

    Go On, Be Brave: On Gratitude w/ Bill Corrigan

    In this Thanksgiving special episode, I interview Bill Corrigan an athlete I have worked with for over four years who was diagnosed almost two years ago with ALS or Lou Gehrig's Disease. What follows is an inspiring & moving conversation around how this disease has changed Bill's life & how much we all have to be grateful for. Happy Thanksgiving & godspeed, my friends. 
    At the end of the episode, Bill mentions his fundraiser for Boston this year, HERE IS A LINK. 
    I also mention our first conversation titled Q&A: On Planning Mental Training.
    Also, the title of this episode is taken from a quote Bill mentions repeatedly from Andrea Lytle Peet. Definitely check out her inspiring story. 

    Our Birthright: Running As Movement Practice

    Our Birthright: Running As Movement Practice

    In this solo episode, I develop my thesis that running is best understood & experienced as a movement practice. Here I unpack various arguments & points of view where the focus of most runners on training & racing is missing a huge opportunity & is a fundamental misunderstanding of what we are doing as runners. While this might seem a bit dry or meta, I sincerely hope you'll consider following me down this path. I use it as a foundation for running & the conversations that will continue n this podcast will be using this idea of running as a movement practice as a core principle. I have unpacked this idea repeatedly in conversation with Michael Krajicek on the Keep Going podcast, be here I present a much more comprehensive argument. So if this is a little too much, consider listening to the following episodes:

    I mention at the outset of this episode that I am developing a program I am calling Foundations of Running which is designed for intermediate & advanced runners to get back to basics & find core principles & processes for grounding their running in deeper & more pragmatic modes of being. More on that to come. 
    Please enjoy this  episode I call Our Birthright: Running as Movement Practice. Godspeed my friends, godspeed. 

    Endorphin Book Club - But Only On Sunday: Ron Clarke

    Endorphin Book Club - But Only On Sunday: Ron Clarke

    This episode is the first in a series of readings I am calling the Endorphin Book Club. The EBC - which really should be called the Endocannabinoid Book Club to honor recent scientific discovery but we'll keep it simpler & nostalgic - scratches an itch that I have always wanted to scratch: classic texts in running history read in audiobook style to relive & honor great running history & writing. The first take on this concept is a reading of my favorite running writer, Kenny Moore, who died in the summer of 2022. This essay/article comes from his classic book, Best Efforts, which is out of print & difficult to find. The essay I selected in one of my favorites in the iconic book about the Australian distance runner, Ron Clarke. I hope you enjoy this reading. Let me know what you think! You can find out how to reach me in the episode itself. 

    Innerwork Dialogues 01: Belief as Container & Fuel for Sensemaking

    Innerwork Dialogues 01: Belief as Container & Fuel for Sensemaking

    I am very excited to introduce a new series & co-host to the RoP podcast. Over the summer I found a podcast created by a Belgian runner & coach, Kobe Blondeel, that addressed topics that I felt resonated the essential shift in consciousness that was undergoing around running as a spiritual practice. Kobe hosts In The Zone & his early episodes were a mix of solo discussions around his experiences as an athlete & coach around deep philosophical & spiritual modes of being a runner with his travelogue of running across Belgium. Suffice it to say, I had a bit of envy around the courage & insightfulness  Kobe brought to these discussions. I highly recommend listening to episodes #11, #12 & #28 as introductions to his inimitable style. So I reached out to Kobe to see if he would consider a collaboration. I was planning the reboot of this podcast. I was committed to a mix of solo, co-hosted & interview type content & felt that Kobe - if he was game - would be a really valuable conversation partner. I think my initial Instagram message to him gave him some pause, however. Who is this crazy old dude vibing on his weird content? But thankfully he respectfully responded that perhaps we could meet to explore common ground & potential collaboration. Our first conversation can be found on on his In The Zone podcast under the title, Steve Sisson: running as a spiritual path & I highly recommend you give it a listen if you want a little more background & how we worked out what we were even trying to accomplish with our conversations. 

    That episode went well enough for us to commit to an ongoing collaboration/co-hosting of our discussions on each of our podcast platforms. What follows here is us beginning to work out the details on what we think we can unfold & offer the running community that hasn't ever been done before. I mean this...I believe we are doing something novel in the space of running podcasts; we are stating emphatically that running is a path with heart, a spiritual practice that can be & mined for deep inner wisdom & practical benefit to our experience of moving through space. I'll let you decide if this is your particular cup of tea. 

    In this episode we introduce the series & discuss our point of views; setting the stage for a deeper dive into our argument framing Belief as the essential starting point for our conversations. As Kobe summarizes in this episode: we have conscious & subconscious beliefs, most of them subconscious, & a belief actually runs as a sub pattern in our physiology, it’s something that we observe in our inner experience. These patterns show up in our lives, both negatively & positively, & are the programs we operate on to help us filter for the good shit we want in our life, & filter out the bad shit. 

    So running has the opportunity to become a testing ground of these beliefs & how they serve us. 

    I provide a specific method for assessing & managing challenging feeling states, using the prompt “Is this real?” to help with decisionmaking in a training or racing environment. I also delve into what he calls “the natural state” as our foundational & fundamental birthright, which needs to be claimed for any truly skillful approach to these challenging feeling states. 
    The first hour unpacks the concept but in the last half hour Kobe & I both explore the practices of meditation, contemplation & prayer as core practices for deepening & expanding our running experiences. 

    So much good stuff buried in this episode. I hope you enjoy this conversation & join us for the future ones coming up in this series I call the Innerwork Dialogues: Belief as Container & Fuel for Sensemaking

    Godspeed, my friends, Godspeed.

    Purpose Revisioned

    Purpose Revisioned

    As I was putting the finishing touches on the episode I planned to release today, I realized it might be helpful to discuss what I see purpose meaning now - in the fall of 2023 - vs how I framed it three years ago. This episode is a revisioning of what I mean by "running on purpose" & how I am doubling down on the concept, if in a slightly modified version. A meandering meditation, free-form & floating along. 
    I hope you enjoy.
    Godspeed. 

    Legends: 2003 London Marathon w/ Deena Kastor

    Legends: 2003 London Marathon w/ Deena Kastor

    Show Notes
    Full Video of this Episode (
    YouTube)
    Deena's Essential "Instructional" Memoir at
    Amazon
    Full video of 2003 London Marathon (
    PART I) (PART II)
    Footage of the 2001 World Championships 10,000m Race (
    YouTube)
    Deena book recommendations
    -
    Big Potential by Shawn Acor at Amazon
    -
    A Practice of Mountains by Andrea Mead Lawnrece at Amazon ($$$!)
    -
    The Art of Learning by Josh Waitzkin at Amazon

    Time - Content
    00:00 - In da Club/Intro
    6:30 - Women's Marathoning from 1985-2003
    12:00 - Protagonists 
    12:00 - Catherine Ndereba
    16:30 - Paula Radcliffe
    24:10 - Deena Kastor
    40:00 - Other Protagonists
    45:00 - Lead-up & Race Discussion
    1:18:15 - 2004 Athens Olympics
    1:30:00 - Open Discussion with Deena
    1:37:00 - Excellence vs Success
    1:46:50 - Deena's book and other favorite books
    1:58:00 - Deena signs off, Jeff and Steve wrap up

    Interview with a Legend: Dick Beardsley

    Interview with a Legend: Dick Beardsley

    YOUTUBE VIDEO LINK
    Only 18 months after making the decision to train seriously, Dick Beardsley drives the best marathoner in world beyond his limits in the world's best marathon. How does an upstart develop so quickly in such little time? Listen to this interview & you'll find out. 

    After our inaugural episode of Legends, covering the 1982 Boston Marathon & the iconic Duel in the Sun, we had an opportunity to interview Dick Beardsley. 

    This interview runs the gamut, from history & reflections on his running career to a deep sharing of personal tragedy & loss. But the current running underneath the narrative is Dick's love for life, others & the simple act of moving through space. It was an honor to conduct this interview & hope you find it as moving as we did.

    Legends: 1984 Women's Olympic Marathon (Part II)

    Legends: 1984 Women's Olympic Marathon (Part II)

    Show Notes

            Time - Content

    • 00:00 - Race Discussion
    • 11:00 - Post-Race Interviews
    • 16:50 - Post Olympic Careers - Joan Benoit
    • 23:15 - Grete Waitz
    • 28:50 - Rosa Mota
    • 32:00 - Ingrid Kristiansen
    • 35:00 - Who Was the Best of the Decade (1980's)?
    • 43:00 - Rabbit Holes (Olympic Marathon Course Design & the History & Legacy of Athletics West)
    • 47:20 - Questions/Debates/Loose Ends

    Legends: 1982 Boston Marathon

    Legends: 1982 Boston Marathon

    Episode Breakdown
    0:00 - Introduction of Legends

    10:45 - Culture & Running Scene in 1982

    17:55 - Background on Race Protagonists

    34:55 - Race Discussion & Analysis

    51:00 - The Race Finale

    1:00:15 - Career Epilogue

    1:13:15 - Hot Takes on Alberto

    1:27:00 - Final Questions about Race

    Links

    Boston Marathon 1982 Video footage - https://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=62014

    Duel in the Sun - https://www.amazon.com/Duel-Sun-Beardsley-Americas-Greatest/dp/1594866287