Talking Law with Dr Sally Penni MBE

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Margaret Casely-Hayford. Margaret was awarded a CBE in the Queen’s Honours list in 2018, for services to charity and for promoting diversity upon ending her term as trustee and Chair of international development Charity ActionAid UK.

She was Director of Legal Services and Company Secretary for the John Lewis Partnership for nine years. Before that she worked for twenty years with City law firm Dentons where she had been a partner and jointly led an award-winning team in planning and development work. She’s now retired from executive roles.

Hear Margaret reflect on how she shaped her portfolio career, sitting on a number of boards, all with a commitment to improving society for others and creating opportunities. Her portfolio includes advising young entrepreneurs, and supporting and advising organisations on governance and advising those, in particular women and BAME or LGTBQ+ people, who wish to embark upon board careers.  She is passionate about establishing diversity on boards and is an ambassador of Board Apprentice.

As Chancellor for Coventry University Margaret also shares some fantastic advice for anyone wanting to enter the law including the importance of being multidisciplinary, as well as the essential need for resilience.

 Watch Margaret’s TED Talk – Face into the Darkness of our History

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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Welcome to a brand new season of Talking Law with Sally Penni MBE!

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Banke A. Odunaike,  Head of Legal in EMEA at CBRE. CBRE is a real estate firm that offers a range of services to help companies with all their property needs. With over 100k employees across 100 different countries, they are the largest company of their kind in the world.

Banke shares how her love of the judiciary began at an early age, earning her the nickname ‘The Shortest Judge’ or SJ for short.

Banke looks back upon the hard time she went through when securing a training contract; the multiple rejection letters she received and offers some advice to anyone starting out on that journey.

Banke also reveals the initiatives that she is working on at CBRE to champion Diversity and Inclusion, and also considers how the industry can do more to futher D&I within the GC space. Hear a fascinating story  of how Banke dealt with a situation where her daughter had experienced racism at school, using an analogy of a rainbow.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Alison Fagan. Ali is a Construction Disputes Partner and the Head of the Infrastructure Funds Sector Group at DLA Piper UK LLP. Ali provides risk management advice on distressed, high value or strategically critical infrastructure projects for a wide ranging pool of clients, from private sector partners to  delivery contractors. 

Alison talks about her organisation which, despite being in a male-led industry, is demonstrating a wealth of female talent and shares what they are doing to promote diversity and equality in the workplace. She also talks about the challenges the organisation faces when promoting diversity, including staff retention, and how businesses can adapt to better retain good people.

Alison reflects on her experiences of imposter syndrome at work, and offers some fantastic advice for anyone who may be feeling similar in how to challenge those thoughts and misconceptions.

This episode is supported by DLA Piper.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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In this episode, Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Leroy Logan. Leroy was a highly-decorated Superintendent with the Metropolitan Police – a career that culminated with his work on the Olympic Security Team overseeing the London 2012 games. He was a member of the Black Police Association for over 30 years and was 1st National Chair 1998-99 and London Chair 2000-04, as well as being a founder member for both the London and National BPAs.

Leroy reveals how Oscar-winning director Steve McQueen came to make a BBC TV drama about his life as a police officer, and how Leroy even helped with scripting the show. Leroy also reflects on his life-long career with the police and the positive influence his parents had on his life.

Now, Leroy’s next ambition is to become a children’s author. Currently less than 5% of children's books are from black and minority ethnic backgrounds and even fewer are from a male perspective so Leroy intends to offer an alternative discourse in children’s literature.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Daniel Winterfeldt. Daniel is a Managing Director and the General Counsel for EMEA and Asia at Jefferies. He is a senior corporate and securities lawyer with over 22 years of experience in London and New York.

Daniel reveals what it was like arriving in London as an openly gay man at a time when sexuality was not discussed, and how his experiences led to him starting the Interlaw Diversity Forum as an LGBT+ network for legal professionals.

Daniel also reveals some of the findings of the Model Diversity Survey and explores how the legal profession could adapt to be more inclusive, diverse and attune to societal issues.

This episode is supported by Interlaw Diversity Forum.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with John Croft.

John is president and Co-Founder at Elevate, a legal services company which provides legal expertise to clients all over the world. 

In today’s episode hear how John champions diversity and inclusion at Elevate as well as how he manages work-life balance, particularly amongst colleagues who are working across multiple time zones.

This episode is supported by Elevate.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with  Paul McFarlane.

Paul is a partner at Capsticks and manages a team of lawyers providing the full range of employment law advice to health, police and emergency services clients.

In this episode Paul reveals why he was always fascinated by employment law and shares his motivations for being a Board Director for the Black Solicitors Network. He also discusses the various work of the BSN and its role within the profession and wider society. 

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1

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This episode is supported by Capsticks LLP

This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Sandie Okoro.

Sandie was born and raised in London, but currently lives and works in Washington DC.  She qualified both as a barrister and a solicitor and is currently the senior vice president and general counsel at the World Bank Group. Among her many awards and accolades she has received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the Black Solicitors Network, and has been named as one of the top twenty global General Counsels.

In this episode Sandie reveals the prejudice she faced from an early age and how that motivated her to pursue a career in the law. She also outlines the qualities that she believes make a strong team leader and details how she looks after her wellbeing alongside her work.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Martin Shaw.

Martin is an English actor famous for many roles, including that of Judge John Deed in the BBC legal drama.

Martin talks passionately about his role and why he’s so proud to be a patron of the Kalisher Trust, an organisation which works to inspire and inform the next generation of legal professionals through advocacy training, internships and so much more. 

Martin reflects on the acting work he was able to continue doing during the lockdowns, and reveals the legal roles that he would love to play.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Max Hardy.

Max is a barrister practicing from 9 Bedford Row. Called in 2004, Max has worked on everything from murder trials at the Old Bailey to speeding cases at Romford Magistrates' Court!  

Max reveals his motivation for joining the Bar Council and The Kalisher Trust, which works to inspire advocacy and help people from diverse backgrounds to join the bar.  He also talks about the time he participated in the prosecution of Goldilocks, to as a means of teaching legal concepts in primary schools.

Max also shares some fantastic advice for anyone wanting to join the bar – to really utilise social media to immerse yourself in the profession and develop your contacts.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Donna Scully.

Donna is an exceptionally experienced lawyer having won several awards and has been active in shaping both legislation and best-practice across the personal injury and insurance sectors for nearly 25 years.

Donna talks about her unusual route into the law, and why gender diversity has been so crucial to the success of their business.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

This episode is kindly sponsored by Carpenters Group. 

Carpenters Group are one of the UKs leading providers of insurance and legal services, delivering a variety of claims solutions to insurers, brokers and policyholders, with 1000 employees across five locations.

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Bernard Richmond KC.

Called in 1988, Bernard is now head of Chambers at Lamb Building and is an active member of Middle Temple where he has been a bencher since 2005. He has also been Honorary Professor of Law at University of Kent since 2020.

Bernard discusses some of the most memorable cases he’s worked on, including the high profile case of Baby P. Bernard also details his passion for advocacy and explains the work of Xoom school, a project he founded to offer training to professionals. His weekly ‘Case Club’ allows participants to analyse the details of a case and explore the legal and social implications of a decision.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Joeli Brearley.

Joeli is the Founder and CEO of Pregnant Then Screwed, a campaigning charity that strives to improve equality, fairness and representation for pregnant women and mothers.

In this episode Joeli reveals her own experience of pregnancy discrimination prior to starting the organisation, and discusses the impact of the pandemic on women and women’s rights.

Joeli is the author of Pregnant Then Screwed: The Truth About the Motherhood Penalty and How to Fix It.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Jason Pitter KC.

Called to the bar in 1994, Jason took Silk in 2014 and is a member of New Park Court in Leeds, where he practices with a focus on serious and complex criminal litigation, professional misconduct and regulatory law. He is also a Bencher of Gray’s Inn and a Crown Court Recorder.

Jason discusses his upbringing and how that inspired his career in Law. He also shares one of his most memorable cases that really demonstrated to Jason  the difference lawyers can make in people’s lives.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with Chris Kehoe.

Chris Kehoe is an in-house lawyer with a police force by day and an award winning stand-up comedian by night. He is unashamedly Northern and working class.

Chris shares some insights into what it’s like day-to-day working on the legal team for a police force, and talks about his podcast Mondeo Law which aims to de-mystify the law.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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This week Sally Penni MBE is Talking Law with KC Jolyon Maugham. Jolyon is an Honorary Professor at Durham Law School as well as founder of the Good Law Project, which brought a number of legal challenges to the Brexit process to court.  

In this episode Jolyon shares highlights from his hugely varied career, as well as how the Good Law Project came about and some of its successes so far.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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In this episode of Talking Law Sally Penni MBE interviews MP and Door Tenant at Doughty Street Chambers, David Lammy.

David trained at Harvard Law School and has worked as a lawyer and a barrister. He reflects on his career in law and reveals why he ultimately made the switch into politics. He also shares his take on the Black Lives Matter movement and the ramifications of the death of George Floyd on society in the UK.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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In this episode of Talking Law Sally Penni is interviewing actor Maxine Peake, famous for many roles including that of Martha Costello in BBC drama ‘Silk’.

Maxine looks back over her career, including highlights such as working with Victoria Wood on sitcom Dinnerladies, as well as how she prepared for roles in legal procedural dramas. She also shares why she believes actors and lawyers have much in common, and why she is so passionate about access to justice.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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In this episode of Talking Law, Sally Penni is joined multi-award-winning business lawyer and Managing Partner Tamara Box.

An American citizen, Tamara is dual-qualified to practice law in both the US and the UK and is an internationally recognised expert in strategic financial advice, management and team building.

Tamara recalls how her career has seen her travel all over the world, and shares her insights as to the skills and traits required to be a good leader. She has fantastic advice too, for anyone thinking of entering the legal profession.

This episode is supported by Reed Smith.

A dynamic international law firm, Reed Smith is dedicated to helping clients move their businesses forward.

With more than 1500 staff in over 30 offices across the world, Reed Smith specialises in complex litigation as well as high-stakes disputes, cross border transactions and crucial regulatory matters. They have a leading reputation in sectors ranging from transportation and healthcare to entertainment.  Find out more at ReedSmith.com

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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Today Sally Penni is Talking Law with human rights barrister Adam Wagner.

Adam practices at Doughty Street Chambers, is a visiting professor at Goldsmiths University of London and founded a multi-award winning charity, EachOther which aims to increase public support for human rights.

Adam has developed a loyal following on social media, and shares his insights on how to become a trusted source.  He also discusses his take on diversity on the bar; the progress so far and the work still to be done.

Presented by Sally Penni MBE, barrister at law at Kenworthy’s Chambers Manchester and founder and chair of Women in the Law UK. Follow Sally on Twitter @SallyPenni1 

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