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    The Dynamist

    The Dynamist, a podcast by the Foundation for American Innovation, brings together the most important thinkers and doers to discuss the future of technology, governance, and innovation. The Dynamist is hosted by Evan Swarztrauber, former Policy Advisor at the Federal Communications Commission. Subscribe now!
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    Episodes (59)

    Episode 18: Sowing Discord with State Secrets w/ Jon Askonas

    Episode 18: Sowing Discord with State Secrets w/ Jon Askonas

    While it didn’t get the attention of the Edward Snowden leaks, a recent dump of classified information on a video game chat server has been described as one of the worst Western intelligence failures in modern memory. Analysts say the leak could complicate Ukraine’s spring offensive against Russia and expose U.S. assets in the Kremlin, among other potential ramifications. What makes this leak unique is that it doesn’t appear to be driven by ideology or a foreign adversary, but rather the suspect’s desire to impress his online gamer buddies. 

    Is “clout chasing” a growing threat to national security? How can these leaks be prevented and what policies should the U.S. government change or implement in response? Evan is joined by Jon Askonas, Assistant Professor of Politics at Catholic University and a non-resident senior fellow at the Foundation for American Innovation. Read his piece, co-authored with Stanford Internet Observatory's Renee DiResta, in Foreign Policy on the threat gamers pose to national intelligence and check out his ongoing series in The New Atlantis on the collapse of consensus reality.

    Episode 17: Can Bluesky Fix The Twitter Blues? w/ Paul Bohm

    Episode 17: Can Bluesky Fix The Twitter Blues? w/ Paul Bohm

    Politicians gripe constantly about Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and their ilk. Two years ago, then-CEO of Twitter Jack Dorsey pitched Congress that a lot of their complaints could be solved by his project called “Bluesky,” which aims to decentralize social media. The app is now available on iPhone and Android, and hundreds of thousands of users are trying it out. Can we learn any initial lessons from Bluesky? Are decentralized protocols the silver bullet to the endless debates over content moderation and online censorship? Is it really possible for social media to be “owned” by its users? Evan is joined by Paul Bohm, a distributed systems engineer and founder and CEO of Teleport.XYZ. You can read Paul’s blog post on Bluesky here.

    Episode 15: Is AI Moving Too Fast? w/ Sam Hammond

    Episode 15: Is AI Moving Too Fast? w/ Sam Hammond

    Artificial intelligence is all the rage these days. The large language model ChatGPT reached over 100 million users in record time, and AI is growing more accessible and relevant for everyday consumers. While many are cheering the AI revolution and heralding a brighter future, others are sounding the alarm. Elon Musk has warned AI could spell “civilizational destruction” without proper safety protocols. Is AI moving too fast, or is this the pace of innovation our economy needs? What should policymakers do, if anything, to tackle the challenges posed by AI? Evan is joined by Sam Hammond, Senior Economist at Lincoln Network.

    • “Polluting the agentic commons,” a piece by Sam on what happens when chat agents go viral
    • “Before the Flood,” a piece by Sam on the future of AI

    Episode 14: TikTok and the First Amendment w/ Joel Thayer

    Episode 14: TikTok and the First Amendment w/ Joel Thayer

    As the headaches for TikTok pile up in Washington, the embattled social media platform and its supporters are arguing that a ban on the app would violate the U.S. Constitution, particularly the First Amendment. TikTok’s critics counter that the national security problems posed by the company's Chinese ownership far outweigh free speech concerns. Which side holds the upper hand, and what can we learn from past court cases involving a pornographic bookstore and a North Carolina law regarding sex offenders on social media? Evan is joined by Joel Thayer, president of Digital Progress Institute.

    References
    Joel’s piece for FedSoc, “Banning TikTok Outright Would Be Constitutional”
    Dan Lyon’s piece for American Enterprise Institute, “Would a TikTok Ban Be Constitutional?”
    Statement from the American Civil Lberties Union opposing a TikTok ban

    Episode 13: Keeping Up with the Jones Act Pt. II w/ Colin Grabow

    Episode 13: Keeping Up with the Jones Act Pt. II w/ Colin Grabow

    In a prior episode, Gabriela Rodriguez of American Compass argued that the Jones Act, a law aimed at supporting the U.S. ship building should be reformed—not repealed. On The Dynamist’s first ever “rebuttal episode,” Evan is joined by Colin Grabow, a research fellow at the Cato Institute’s Herbert A. Stiefel Center for Trade Policy Studies. They discuss why Grabow supports a full repeal of the Jones Act, his response to Rodriguez’s proposed reforms, and what a post-Jones Act world might look like. 

    Cato blog, “More Industrial Policy Won’t Solve the Jones Act’s Many Problems”

    Op-ed in The Atlantic, “The Obscure Maritime Law That Ruins Your Commute”

    Episode 12: TikTok on the Clock w/ Brendan Carr

    Episode 12: TikTok on the Clock w/ Brendan Carr

    Last week, TikTok CEO Shou Chew appeared before the House Energy and Commerce Committee for a marathon hearing focused on national security and other concerns with the popular social media app. His goal was to assuage lawmakers’ concerns, but, if anything, the app’s future in the United States looks more bleak than ever. But how likely is an outright ban or divestiture from TikTok’s Beijing-based parent company ByteDance? Would these measures truly solve the national security risks? And what are the political and legal implications? Evan is joined by FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr to discuss.

    References:

    • House Energy and Commerce hearing
    • Twitter thread by Carr responding to Chew’s written testimony
    • Press conference with Rep. Jamaal Bowman and TikTok creators
    • Variety report with analyst predictions on likelihood and timeline of a ban or divestiture
    • Vice report on TikTok pushing suicide videos to teenagers
    • The Hill report on DoJ investigating TikTok over surveillance of journalists
    • Clip of MSNBC analyst advocating a broader approach to Chinese apps

    Episode 11: Digital Strangers: How Web3 May Reshape Online Privacy w/ Luke Hogg

    Episode 11: Digital Strangers: How Web3 May Reshape Online Privacy w/ Luke Hogg

    For many, their first thought about blockchain or cryptocurrency has to do with crime, scams, or the infamous meltdown of FTX. But the implications of blockchain technology go far beyond the breathless headlines. Consider data privacy. Governments around the world are increasingly trying to protect the privacy of Internet users, particularly when it comes to so-called “free” services like YouTube and Instagram which are supported by targeted advertising. While governments have struggled to get a grip on user privacy with these services, our guest today says that decentralized tech like cryptocurrency can radically alter how data privacy must be tackled. Luke Hogg is Director of Outreach at Lincoln Network, focusing on the intersection of emerging technologies and public policy. Read his paper on Web 3 and data privacy, co-authored with Antonio García Martínez. 

    Episode 10: Keeping Up with the Jones Act w/ Gabriela Rodriguez

    Episode 10: Keeping Up with the Jones Act w/ Gabriela Rodriguez

    Most people don’t think about global shipping and supply chains until a crisis spotlights these issues—from the hurricanes in Puerto Rico to the COVID-19 pandemic. But while the debate over cargo transport doesn’t often reach the kitchen table, it’s been going on for years in policy circles in Washington, with powerful interests involved on all sides of the debate. It traces back to the 1920 Jones Act, passed in the wake of World War I after German submarines had decimated American commercial ships. While the law was intended to bolster U.S. shipbuilding, has the law failed to achieve its goal? Critics argue it makes shipping more complicated and expensive, raising prices for consumers. Proponents respond that it's essential for national security and preserving domestic shipbuilding capacity. Should the law be repealed, left alone, or reformed? Gabriela Rodriguez, Policy Advisor at American Compass, joins the show to discuss. Follow Gabriela on Twitter here.

    References: 

    Gabriela’s piece, “The Ghosts of Navies Past: Rebooting the Jones Act for the 21st century”

    Episode 9: Is Software Licensing in the Cloud Unfair? w/ Ryan Triplette

    Episode 9: Is Software Licensing in the Cloud Unfair? w/ Ryan Triplette

    For years, businesses have been “moving to the cloud.” Instead of relying on servers and hardware located at offices, companies are increasingly using third parties like Microsoft and Oracle for their workplace needs—from analyzing sales data to communicating with coworkers. Congress and regulators are increasingly focused on tech policy issues like digital privacy and the size of Big Tech companies. But one area that gets much less attention is our topic today: cloud software licensing. Has software licensing become too restrictive and anti-competitive? If so, how does that impact consumers and businesses? How should policymakers respond? Evan is joined by Ryan Triplette, Executive Director of the Coalition for Fair Software Licensing

    References:

    Report in FedScoop, “Major government tech contractors use monopolistic vendor-lock to drive revenue, study says”

    Statement from the Coalition for Fair Software Licensing on a new complaint against Microsoft in Europe

    Episode 8: The Geopolitics of our Energy Future w/ Alec Stapp

    Episode 8: The Geopolitics of our Energy Future w/ Alec Stapp

    The Russian invasion of Ukraine and the ensuing war put energy policy in the global spotlight. The dependence of European nations like Germany on Russian oil and gas played a significant factor in Putin’s aggression and continues to finance the Kremlin’s war effort. In the U.S., Republicans and Democrats continue to spar over our energy future. Many Democrats want a “Green New Deal,” while Republicans accuse the Biden administration of curtailing domestic oil and gas production. My guest, Alec Stapp, argues that an agenda of energy abundance can solve seemingly intractable fights. He is the co-founder and co-CEO of the Institute for Progress, a non-partisan research and advocacy organization.

    Read Alec’s recent piece in The Atlantic, “Climate Relief Can’t Wait for Utopia”

    Episode 7: Big Business Cop Drama w/ Matt Stoller

    Episode 7: Big Business Cop Drama w/ Matt Stoller

    There's turmoil at the Federal Trade Commission—the agency charged with protecting consumers and one of two agencies that deal with antitrust issues, such as promoting competition and preventing monopolies. Last week, Republican FTC Commissioner Christine Wilson announced her resignation in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, citing FTC Chairwoman Lina Khan’s alleged disregard for the rule of law and due process. What does this FTC drama mean for the agency’s efforts to rein in Big Tech? Are there broader implications for antitrust policy going forward? Evan is joined by Matt Stoller, Director of Research at the American Economic Liberties Project. He is also the author of Goliath: The Hundred Year War Between Monopoly Power and Democracy. You can read his work on his Substack, “BIG” at MattStoller.Substack.com.

    Episode 6: The Cyber State of the Union w/ Shane Tews

    Episode 6: The Cyber State of the Union w/ Shane Tews

    Cyber attacks are on the rise, but this will come as no surprise to most Americans. It seems the news is always full of stories about a major data breach or ransomware attack. It's not just your imagination—studies show attacks have risen sharply in the past couple of years. In the wake of a Chinese spy balloon flying over sensitive U.S. military sites, is the issue of cybersecurity ripe for the public attention it deserves? Evan is joined by Shane Tews, non-resident senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and host of the brilliantly-named podcast “Explain to Shane.” They discuss the state of the nation’s cyber hygiene and what companies and governments can be doing differently to secure our data.

    Verizon report found ransomware attacks rose 13% in 2022, more than the prior five years combined

    Check Point report that global cyber attacks increased 28% in the third quarter of 2022 year over year

    Foreign Affairs oped by CISA Director Jen Easterly and Assistant Director Eric Goldstein calling for companies to build better cybersecurity into their products

    Government Accountability Office report on “federal actions urgently needed to protect the nation’s critical infrastructure”

    Episode 5: Social Media: Firehose, Filter Bubble, or Book Club? w/ Richard Reisman

    Episode 5: Social Media: Firehose, Filter Bubble, or Book Club? w/ Richard Reisman

    The debate over whether and how to regulate social media has been boiling for years. The Supreme Court may have the final say, but will a ruling address mounting complaints with how these platforms work, from misinformation to censorship? Evan is joined by Richard Reisman, founder of Teleshuttle Corporation, an innovation studio based in New York City. He argues that fixing social media requires a fundamental rethink that moves us past the firehoses and filter bubbles that most Americans experience online. Can social media be more like bars, churches, and clubs where people filter their experiences in the physical world? And what’s the difference between freedom of expression and freedom of impression?

    Delegation, Or, The Twenty Nine Words That The Internet Forgot,” by Richard Reisman and Chris Riley in Tech Policy Press

    Clubhouse, a Tiny Audio Chat App, Breaks Through,” by Erin Griffith and Taylor Lorenz in New York Times

    Free Speech Is Not the Same As Free Reach,” by Renee DiResta in WIRED

    Smartly Intertwingled, Richard Reisman's blog

    "Into the Plativerse through Fiddleware," by Richard Reisman
     

    Episode 4: Can Republicans Offer an Alternative to ESG? w/ Julius Krein

    Episode 4: Can Republicans Offer an Alternative to ESG? w/ Julius Krein

    “Environmental, social, and governance,” better known as ESG, has been a major topic of discussion in the business world. Proponents of ESG praise companies for efforts to reduce carbon emissions and make their workplaces more inclusive. Critics have charged that ESG is merely “woke capital,” a way that corporations leverage their power and wealth to advance leftwing policy priorities at the expense of fossil fuels and traditional values. Julius Krein, editor of American Affairs, says it’s a lot more complicated than a simple “left versus right” divide. He argues that Republicans need a better alternative to ESG than “shareholder primacy,” the free-market fundamentalism at odds with rising American populism. Can Republicans find an effective alternative to ESG?

    Read Krein’s piece in COMPACT, “Why the Right Can’t Beat ESG”

    Watch Senator Tom Cotton’s exchange with Kroger’s CEO

    Episode 3: Can the U.S. Make the Internet Freer? w/ Dan Lips

    Episode 3: Can the U.S. Make the Internet Freer? w/ Dan Lips

    Is the Internet a force for freedom, or a tool for dictators to oppress their people? The answer largely depends on where you live in the world. For decades, U.S. policymakers have, for the most part, embraced the Internet as a tool to promote democracy. But China, Russia, Iran, and other nations have done the opposite: used the Internet to suppress, surveil, and manipulate people both within and beyond their borders. What is the U.S. doing to promote Internet freedom? Since 2012, the Open Technology Fund has supported projects designed to counter Internet censorship. But is the Fund up to the challenges we face today? And what backlash might the U.S. face by engaging in these activities? Joining Evan to discuss is Dan Lips, Head of Policy at Lincoln Network and former FBI analyst and Homeland Security staffer in Congress. See Dan's white paper on OTF here.

    References

    Freedom House report that shows global Internet freedom has declined for 12 consecutive years.

    Episode 2: The Future of Online (Free?) Speech w/ Brendan Carr

    Episode 2: The Future of Online (Free?) Speech w/ Brendan Carr

    Note: This episode was recorded prior to the completion of Elon Musk's Twitter takeover. 
    There are few debates in tech policy as heated as the debate over what content or “digital speech” is allowed on the Internet. Proponents of more “content moderation” say it’s really just about taking down posts that create real-world harm. Critics say the term is little more than a euphemism for censorship. With Congress deadlocked on whether and how to regulate social media, state capitols and the courts have begun to fill the void. 
    What do these bills and cases mean for the future of social media and online speech? Will the Supreme Court have the final say? Is there a role for agencies like the Federal Communications Commission? And what impact will Elon Musk’s takeover of Twitter have? Evan discussed all that and more with Brendan Carr, the senior Republican commissioner at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).
     

    Episode 1: ByteDance with the Devil w/ Geoff Cain

    Episode 1: ByteDance with the Devil w/ Geoff Cain

     If you’re the parent of a teenager, you might lament the hours they spend scrolling through videos on TikTok. But other than being a time suck, it may seem harmless, right? Not according to a growing chorus of policymakers who say, given TikTok’s relationship with the Chinese government, the app needs to be banned, or seriously curtailed, to protect America. So how could cute dances, animal videos, and influencers be a threat to national security? Evan is joined by Geoffrey Cain, Senior Fellow for Critical Emerging Technologies at Lincoln Network and author of The Perfect Police State: An Undercover Odyssey into China's Terrifying Surveillance Dystopia of the Future. They discuss the changing relationship between China and the U.S., the evolving policy debate over TikTok and its parent company ByteDance, and the geopolitical implications of potential U.S. government action against the popular app.

    Episode 0: Make America Dynamist Again w/ Zach Graves

    Episode 0: Make America Dynamist Again w/ Zach Graves

    What is dynamism? The dictionary will tell you, “the quality of being characterized by vigorous activity and progress.” But aside from being an SAT word, “dynamism” is an ethos that pervades the technology sector in the U.S., particularly in Silicon Valley. In recent years, has America lost its dynamist edge? Sure, we get a new iPhone every year, but where are the major, disruptive leaps we associate with tech-driven innovation? Evan is joined by Zach Graves, Executive Director at Lincoln Network. They discuss the state of tech and tech policy in the U.S., how the rise of China implicates traditional view of free markets and industrial policy. Can bridging the gap between engineers in tech hubs and policymakers in Washington and state capitols help make America more dynamist?

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