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    The Georgia Politics Podcast

    The Georgia Politics Podcast focuses on all things under the gold dome and around the state. Show host Preston Thompson covers the most noteworthy updates of the legislative session of Georgia's House of Representatives and State Senate.
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    Cop City: Past, Present & Future

    Cop City: Past, Present & Future

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today it’s all about Cop City. How did we get here? Why did it turn into such a mess? And where do we go from here?

    Most people in Georgia have probably heard about the proposed public safety training center in Atlanta and all the ways it has made news since its inception under Mayor Bottoms’ administration. They have also probably heard about the ballot referendum that opponents are seeking to get in this November’s election.

    What they may not know are some of the details of how we got here and why so many people are opposed. We dive into the details and debate what happens next.

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

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    Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency

    Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today we discuss another recent SCOTUS ruling that will have far reaching implications on environmental regulation, but didn’t get as much publicity as some of the higher profile rulings last term.

    Sackett v. Environmental Protection Agency was a case decided over the summer that dealt with the scope and limitations of the Clean Waters Act.

    The case was focuses in large part on defining terms like "waters of the United States", “adjacent”, and “wetlands”. While nuanced and seemingly ambiguous to the non-lawyers listening to the show, the definitions are critical in giving guidance on where developers can build, what permits property owners need receive prior to building, and what properties are protected and regulated by the government.

    Geoff Toy, an environmental lawyer with Trustees for Alaska, joins the show to help us understand some of these nuances and explain why the case may have not gotten as much attention as some of the others, despite its far reaching impact and its implications.

    About Geoff Toy

    Geoff joined Trustees for Alaska in August 2022. Prior to joining Trustees, Geoff spent three years as a staff attorney with the Turner Environmental Law Clinic at Emory University School of Law, working on land use, pollution, and agricultural issues in the Southeast and helping teach environmental law students. He also worked in civil litigation in Atlanta, Georgia after graduating from Emory Law in 2016. During law school, Geoff worked in the Turner Environmental Law Clinic and also interned with the environmental law department at Coca-Cola. Outside of the office, Geoff likes to read, cook, hike, and paint.

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    Fulton County's $2 billion problem

    Fulton County's $2 billion problem

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today we get into the release of the Fulton County special purpose grand jury report and the $2 billion problem that is the need for a new Fulton County jail.

    Grand Jury Recommendations

    The Fulton County special purpose grand jury report in the case of the 2020 election was released last week. It included recommendations to charge 39 individuals in connection with the attempt to overturn the election, of which Fani Willis narrowed down to 19. The grand jury recommended charges for U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham, and former Georgia U.S. Sens. David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler. Does this show a measured process for the Fulton County DA’s office? What does this mean for the futures of former Senators Perdue and Loeffler?

    Fulton County Jail

    6 inmates have died in 6 weeks at the Fulton County Jail as the county faces a crisis situation. Also, the AJC released a special report this week on juvenile sentencing practices in Georgia. Quoting from the report: “Georgia has seen a 100% increase in its number of juvenile lifers — young people, under 18, sentenced to life without parole — since 2012 when the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the sentence should be reserved for the rarest of cases.”

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

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    Megan Gordon on Twitter @meganlaneg

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    Why both the left and right hate Henry Kissinger

    Why both the left and right hate Henry Kissinger

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today we discuss the rare example of someone roundly despised by both ends of the political spectrum.

    Henry Kissinger was born in Germany in 1923, and is a prominent figure in the realm of international diplomacy and American politics.

    Henry Kissinger's early years were marked by adversity. Fleeing Nazi persecution, his family emigrated to the United States in 1938, where they settled in New York City. Despite facing the challenges of adapting to a new culture and language, Kissinger excelled academically. He attended Harvard University, where he pursued a Bachelor's degree in political science and later a Ph.D. in government. His academic prowess foreshadowed the intellectual depth that would become a hallmark of his diplomatic career.

    In the early 1950s, Kissinger joined the faculty at Harvard and began crafting his influential theories on foreign policy and international relations. His 1957 book, "Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy," established him as a leading authority in the field. His ideas on nuclear strategy and the balance of power would shape American foreign policy for decades.

    Kissinger's entrance into the world of practical diplomacy came in 1969 when he was appointed National Security Advisor by President Richard Nixon. His role in negotiating the end of the Vietnam War and his secret diplomacy with China during the Cold War made him a prominent figure on the global stage.

    In 1973, he became the U.S. Secretary of State, where he played a pivotal role in the Middle East peace process and the détente with the Soviet Union. His realpolitik approach, characterized by a focus on national interest and pragmatic diplomacy, earned both praise and criticism.

    Henry Kissinger's contributions to international relations earned him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1973, recognizing his role in negotiating a ceasefire during the Vietnam War. However, his tenure was also marked by controversy, particularly regarding U.S. involvement in covert actions in Latin America and Southeast Asia.

    After leaving government, Kissinger continued to influence global affairs through his writings, speaking engagements, and advisory roles. His legacy remains a subject of debate, with some lauding his diplomatic achievements and others critiquing the ethical dilemmas associated with his policies.

    Throughout his life, Henry Kissinger's dedication to the study and practice of international diplomacy has left an indelible mark on the world stage, making him one of the most influential figures in American foreign policy in the 20th century.

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    They know what time the ferry runs

    They know what time the ferry runs

    Welcome to the Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today we discuss potential fallout for Fani Willis, the GOP debate, trouble brewing on Sapelo Island and local qualifying in metro Atlanta for November elections.

    Connect with The Georgia Politics Podcast on Twitter @gapoliticspod

    Megan Gordon on Twitter @meganlaneg

    Preston Thompson on Twitter @pston3

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    Allen v. Milligan

    Allen v. Milligan

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! Megan is joined by Poy Winichakul, a Senior Staff Attorney for the Southern Poverty Law Center, to discuss Alabama’s failed attempt to chip away at the Voting Rights Act and disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of black voters in the state.

    The Voting Rights Act (VRA) of 1965 was a direct response to decades of racism and Jim Crow in the deep south that created an unequal playing field for non-white voters. Section 2 of the VRA is a provision that prohibits state governments from imposing any rules or regulations around voting that would "result in the denial or abridgement of the right of any citizen to vote on account of race or color". This provision has been used for decades to prevent legislatures from packing and cracking minorities into unfair congressional districts through the redistricting process.

    Megan and Poy discuss the Allen v. Milligan case that made it all the way to the Supreme Court and, somewhat surprisingly, reinforced the necessity and importance for Section 2.

    Connect with The Georgia Politics Podcast on Twitter @gapoliticspod

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    It’s Indictment Week

    It’s Indictment Week

    Welcome to the Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today, Fani Willis is wrapping up, Copy City protesters are nearing 70,000 signatures and Plant Vogtle is producing electricity.

    Looming Fulton County Indictment

    By the time you’re listening to this podcast it’s possible that President Trump has been indicted in Fulton County for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. What could this mean for his electoral prospects next November and can the country handle a televised prosecution of a former President?

    Cop City Vote

    Residents of Atlanta are attempting to put the planned Public Safety Training Center on the ballot this year, and they need 70,000 signatures to do it. They have just a few days left and recent reporting suggests that it will be close. If they get the votes and the referenda passes, what will that mean? If they get the votes and it doesn’t, what changes?

    Plant Vogtle

    Years late and billions of dollars over budget — the nation’s newest nuclear power plant is now operational and producing electricity. Is this the future of green energy?

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

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    Bill Shipp's Georgia

    Bill Shipp's Georgia

    Jim Galloway joins the show to help us pay tribute to a man who became an institution in Georgia politics for over 50 years.

    Bill Shipp made a name for himself in Georgia in 1953 when, as editor of UGA’s student newspaper, he wrote a column calling for the school of law to admit a black student, Horace Ward. It angered the powers that be to such an extent, that the state legislature drafted a bill to have him expelled from school. Instead, he left UGA and joined the Army and was stationed in West Germany.

    When he returned to the States, he started work at what was then the Atlanta Constitution, where he worked for over 30 years covering politics, the civil rights movement, and breaking news from around the world.

    He befriended and made enemies of Georgia’s political elite. He was considered both a confidant and a persona non grata by governors and legislators for decades. He was the first to break the news to the country that Jimmy Carter was running for President.

    Later in life, he was one of the first newsmen to make the jump to the internet, publishing Bill Shipp’s Georgia, a newsletter and online hub for the latest political happenings in the state.

    For his 80th birthday party, a crowd of former Georgia governors, U.S. Senator Max Cleland and others joined to both celebrate the man and roast him at the same time.

    Bill Shipp died on July 9th at the age of 89 and we at The Georgia Politics Podcast pay tribute and honor to him with today’s special episode.

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    Facts don’t care about your feelings

    Facts don’t care about your feelings

    Welcome to the Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today, we get into the defamation lawsuit against Rudy Giuliani and a Cobb County teacher reads a book to her class.

    Rudy Giuliani Admits to False Statements

    Facing a defamation lawsuit, Giuliani filed a motion this week saying he was no longer contesting accusations that he made false statements about Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss – two Fulton County workers he wrongly accused of committing voter fraud. Is this part of a larger reckoning with 2020, or is that too hopeful?

    Back to School

    Georgia students are heading back to school this week, as a Cobb County teacher will soon defend herself for reading her fifth graders a book that challenges gender norms. It’s a good time to check in with the politics of education in Georgia.

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

    Connect with The Georgia Politics Podcast on Twitter @gapoliticspod

    Megan Gordon on Twitter @meganlaneg

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    Needs vs. Wants (Needs)

    Needs vs. Wants (Needs)

    This week on The Georgia Politics Podcast we discuss Brian Kemp staying put, Mesha Mainor doing the opposite, and that the state of Georgia is flush with cash.

    Brian Kemp Shuts Door on National Office, For Now

    Governor Kemp fairly firmly shut the door on a Presidential bid this week, saying “It’s humbling that there are people out there that think I would make a good president, but I have got a great job that I am very happy in. We’ve got really an opportunity of a lifetime right now in the state of Georgia as we see an industrial revolution happening right before our eyes. So I am staying very focused on that. That’s what I promised people I would do when I got re-elected.”

    Mesha Mainor Switches Parties

    This past week, Democratic State Representative Mesha Mainor announced that she was leaving the Democratic Party and joining up with the Republicans. What did we make of the announcement?

    State Surplus

    The Kemp administration announced another state surplus that could amount to up to $5 billion. Over the last two years, these have led to rebates for taxpayers, but Democrats are saying that surplus is really an opportunity to make up for lost services. 

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

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    Professor Stone retires after 35 years in academia

    Professor Stone retires after 35 years in academia

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On today’s episode we celebrate Professor Stone’s retirement after 35 years at Georgia State University and chronicle the changes he’s seen in academia along the way.

    It’s not every day that you have the chance to interview a tenured professor about his life in higher education and the changes he’s seen across a 35 year career. Fortunately for us, we have Professor Stone, who listeners of The Georgia Politics Podcast will know from his conversations with Craig about politics and politicians of yesteryear.

    We appreciate Professor Stone for offering us his recollections and lessons learned and congratulate him on his successful career and retirement. He’ll have plenty of time now for more in memoriams with Craig!

    About Professor Adam Stone

    Adam Stone was an Associate Professor of Political Science and Associate Department Chair for Social Sciences at the Alpharetta Campus of Georgia State University’s Perimeter College. Adam was born in San Francisco, California, and he grew up in Los Gatos, California. He graduated from the University of California, Berkeley, with a Bachelor of Arts degree in Political Science and earned a Master of Arts degree in Politics from Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts.

    Professor Stone has followed politics since his childhood. His “first” election commentary and analysis were delivered in 1966, 56 years ago, at the age of four. He is in his thirty-first year of teaching at Perimeter College.  His areas of research and writing include the U.S. Courts of Appeals, the Electoral College, Presidential Greatness, Southern Politics, and Georgia Politics. His most recent research examines U.S. Senate confirmation votes for nominees to the federal Courts of Appeals. Adam was a contestant on the Jeopardy! episode that aired on May 20, 2019.  He came in third and the game was won by “Jeopardy!” James Holtzhauer, the second greatest player in the history of the game.

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    Happy Independence Day!

    Happy Independence Day!

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On today's special episode, show regular and amatuerr historian, Craig Kidd, marks the holiday with a reading of the Decleration of Indepedece. 

    Adopted on July 4, 1776, the Decleration is the founding document of our United States. It declared to the world that the 13 colonies would henceforth regard themselves as independent and no longer subject the the British colonial rule.

    We honor our nation's birthday with what we hope to be a new tradition on the podcast. Take a moment to honor the bravery that our nation's founding fathers showed by declaring themselves and generations to come free and equal.

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    Court-A-Palooza

    Court-A-Palooza

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! This week on the show we talk about the history making decisions of the Supreme Court and their effects in Georgia and across the country.

    Last week, the court reached their decisions in Biden v. Nebraska, 303 Creative LLC v. Elenis, and Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard. All three cases will leave a lasting impact on the country and our politics for many years to come.

    The panel get into the details and debate the various elements of the court’s decisions. It’s a long and detail oriented show, so we run out of time for Overhyped/Underhyped and Play-Along-At-Home, but I think you’ll enjoy an issues oriented debate on the merits of the recent decisions.

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    How deep is the swamp?

    How deep is the swamp?

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On today's episode, Donald Trump is indicted (again) and GPB lays off Bill Nigut and cancels Political Rewind.

    It’s the first time the panel has gotten together since the news broke that the Justice Department has indicted former President Donald Trump for 37 felonies related to mishandling classified documents and obstructing justice. So, you know we had to get into it and discuss the political and practical implications. Buckle up all.

    We were all sad to read the news that colleague Bill Nigut has been let go from GPB and his signature program, Political Rewind, has been canceled. It is a blow for Georgians everywhere who looked to Nigut for informed and useful political news. Is there a future for government sponsored news programs, and was there anything sinister about the circumstances surrounding the show’s cancelation?

    Lastly, Happy belated Father’s Day to all dads out there. We take the opportunity to discuss how our dads impacted our political views.

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

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    SPECIAL REPORT: The GOP State Convention

    SPECIAL REPORT: The GOP State Convention

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On today’s special episode, we get a field report from Craig Kidd and Daelen Lowry on the GOP State Convention. Craig and Daelen take us behind the scenes of a fight for party leadership, break down the reaction to President Trump's 90 minute marathon of a speech, and detail the fight over "clickers." You don't want to miss it!

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    Marjorie Taylor Greene's Dessert

    Marjorie Taylor Greene's Dessert

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On today’s episode, Hans fills in for Preston to lead the discussion on the arrest of 3 bail fund organizers related to Cop City, Trump headlining the state GOP convention, and Marjorie Taylor Greene…the voice of reason?

    Up first, we kick off the episode discussing the arrest of three Atlanta organizers who had been aiding arrested protestors of Copy City via their bail fund. Are prosecutors doing the right thing? Is there a long game here?

    Next up…he’s back! Former President Donald Trump has now RSVP’d “yes” and will headline this year’s GOP state convention. Many statewide GOP leaders had already declined, including Governor Brian Kemp. How will Trump’s attendance change the narrative and does this highlight a potential rift between LG Burt Jones and Governor Kemp?

    Lastly, the AJC had a jaw dropping headline to an opinion piece recently, which insinuated that the nortorious MTG is now a power broker in the Republican Party – recently removed from her status as party pariah. The panel debate the merits of the argument and whether, if true, her newfound moderation has staying power.

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much, much more on today’s episode!

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    Holidays honoring our country’s military

    Holidays honoring our country’s military

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On this Memorial Day, Hans sits down with Craig to discuss the various holidays that honor members of our military – past and present.

    Everyone knows about Memorial Day and Veterans Day, but did you know there is a holiday honoring active members of the military as well? It is called Armed Forces Day and is celebrated annually on the third Saturday of May. 

    Craig explains some of the differences between the three holidays, some of the history behind them, and the appropriate and respectful way to mark them. Many cities have parades, or mark them with proclamations. Politicians give speeches and lay wreaths at graves. Everyone should, however, know the differences and the meaning behind each one.

    So on this Memorial Day 2023, we at The Georgia Politics Podcast honor all the men and women who made the ultimate sacrifice that allow our country to continue to be free and prosperous, and to give people like us the freedom to express our views on politics on a podcast like this one.

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    Show and Yell

    Show and Yell

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! We’re breaking the rules today. All the hosts bring a topic to the show and we get into it. Buckle up.

    First, Preston brings campaign finance reform. The panelists talk about how (and if) the system is broken, how we can fix it and what problems campaign dollars gone crazy has created in our politics.

    Then, Hans (filling in for Megan), asks what we can do to prevent mass shootings and generally how to approach politically divisive topics. Some elected Republicans now seem to suggest that gun violence a trade off they are willing to make to protect the 2nd Amendment. Is there another way to go about preventing mass casualties?

    Lastly, Craig gets local and discusses the nomination and then withdrawal of former Fulton County Commissioner Lee Morris to Chair the county’s election board. He declares that the event is an example of partisan warfare and hypocrisy run amuck. Preston, who was in the room when it happened, gives a different perspective.

    We don’t always put the guardrails down, but its certainly a freewheeling episode.

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much more on today’s episode!

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    INTERVIEW: Candidate for Georgia GOP Chairman, Rebecca Yardley

    INTERVIEW: Candidate for Georgia GOP Chairman, Rebecca Yardley

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On today’s episode, we interview candidate for the Georgia GOP Chairmanship, Rebecca Yardley.

    Rebecca discusses her plan to organize in areas of the state that have not seen much investment from the state party, how she plans to build a big tent and welcome coalition of Republican voters and how her experience would serve her well if elected Chairman.

    It’s another jam packed episode full of insights into the possible future of the Republican party in Georgia.

    Connect with Rebecca by visiting her campaign website rebecca4gagop.com.

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    Mailbag Episode!

    Mailbag Episode!

    Welcome to The Georgia Politics Podcast! On the show today we answer all of our listeners questions about politics, the 2024 election, immunity deals for fake Georgia electors and much more.

    Every once in a while the emails pile up, the DMs get out of control and we need to just take an episode to help answer some questions. You all had plenty and we did our very best to answer as many of them as we could. Still have something to ask? Email hans(a)appenmedia(dot)com ot DM us on Twitter @gapoliticspod.

    Thanks for all the questions!

    Underhyped/OverhypedPlay-Along-At-Home and much more on today’s episode!

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