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    The Unruly Muse

    Half hour-ish podcasts that feature songs, poems, stories, and patter built around a theme each time. Modaff and Miller are writers and stage/radio performers. Contemporary and classic writers, original stories and songs are performed.
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    Episodes (35)

    Strange Bedfellows

    Strange Bedfellows

    SONG 1: "Backwagon Man" (composed, sung, and played by John Modaff with mandolin and sundry string by Dan Modaff)

    POEM 1: “Another Story” by Hilda Raz, a retelling of the myth of  Leda and the Swan. Collected in Letters from a Place I’ve Never Been: Collected and New Poems. University of Nebraska Press, 2021. https://hildaraz.com/

    FICTION: excerpt from “Duluth” by Lynn C. Miller, from The Lost Archive by Lynn C. Miller (2023) https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat Break: "Continental Drift" (by JVM)

    POEM 2: “Taking Leave” by Scott Wiggerman, a golden shovel poem inspired by haiku. Scott is also a visual artist. https://scottwiggerman.myportfolio.com/

    SONG 2: Centrum Amsterdam Purples (composed and sung by “T-Bone” Kelly) from his CD: No Expectations (2004)

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY

    Produced at The Creek Studio

    NEXT UP: The Unruly Muse #36 “The Family”

     

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Forgiveness

    Forgiveness

    SONG 1: Keep The Door Open (composed and performed by John V. Modaff, BMI)

    POEM 1: “A Wild Hope” by Julie Williams (2014), author of Escaping Tornado Season and Drama Queens in the House. A poetry collection is in process.

    FICTION: excerpt from “Afterthought” by Lynn C. Miller from The Lost Archive by Lynn C. Miller (2023) https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm  www.lynncmiller.com

    FEED THE CAT BREAK:  Forgetness  by John V. Modaff

    POEM 2: “In the Palm of My Hand, Rivers” by Tina Carlson. A guide to tongue tie surgery (2023) is available from UNM Press.

    SONG 2: Forgive Me Blues (JVM w/ Kentucky Colonel Steven Middleton on harmonica)   

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff 
    The Unruly Muse is Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 35, “Strange Bedfellows”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

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    What Price Money?

    What Price Money?

    SONG 1: Happy Never After” Dr. James T. “T-Bone” Kelly, from his CD Toast, Registered France2013

    POEM 1: “Calendar” by Jack Cooper, author of Silly Lily’s Rhyming Adventures In Nature (2023) and Across My Silence, 2007, World Audience, Inc.https://sillylilysadventures.com/

    FICTION: excerpt from the novel in progress, “The Surrogate,” by Lynn C. Miller, author most recently of The Lost Archivewww.lynncmiller.com.

    FEED THE CAT BREAK: “Start of Snow” composed and performed by jvm

    POEM 2: “Quid Pro Crow” by Sarah Kotchian, from “Light of Wings,” her new collection in press from University of New Mexico Press in 2024. https://sarahkotchian.com/

    SONG 2: “My Last Twenty”  by John V. Modaff, BMI

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and incidental music by John V. Modaff 
    The Unruly Muse is Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY 
    NEXT UP: Episode 34, “Forgiveness” 

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    The Chill Vibe

    The Chill Vibe

    SONG 1: Roses on the Floor    by JVM with Dan Modaff

    POEM 1: “The Landing” by Mark Sanders, published in bosque journal #8. www.bosquepress.com. Mark is the author of Conditions of Grace. https://sandersme1.wixsite.com/

    FICTION: excerpt from “The Surrogate,” a novel in progress by Lynn C. Miller, author most recently of The Lost Archivewww.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat Break: “Funky Stroller” by JVM

    POEM 2: “Pond Coat and Alteration” by Barbara Rockman, author of most recently To Cleave. Poem published in bosque journal #8. www.bosquepress.com

    SONG 2: You Don’t Love Me   by Dave Merrill with The Delvers

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Show theme and incidental music by John V. Modaff, BMI 

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY 

    Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead


    NEXT UP on Episode 33:  At What Price Money?

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Monsters

    Monsters

    SONG 1: "Boom" (composed and sung by John V Modaff, joined by Dan Modaff)

    POEM 1: “War” by Hilda Raz. From List & Story. Also collected in Letters from a Place I’ve Never Been: Collected and New Poems. University of Nebraska Press, 2021. https://hildaraz.com/ 

    FICTION: “Trauma,” excerpt from the novel The Day After Death by Lynn C. Miller. Published by the University of New Mexico Press, 2016. www.lynncmiller.com

    FEED THE CAT BREAK: Grendel's Nap" (John Modaff)

    POEM 2: “Ask” by John V Modaff. Published in ABQ inPrint #6, 2022 by Bosque Press. www.bosquepress.com

    SONG 2: "Watching the Barn Burn Down" (Dan Modaff with Good Enough)          

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff, BMI 
    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 
    Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 32 THE CHILL VIBE

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Near Misses

    Near Misses

    SONG 1: Almost Blew My Face Off  (composed and sung by jvm)

    POEM 1: “If Only” by Jack Cooper. First published in Spectrum 2. Anthology edited by Don Kingfisher Campbell, 2016

    Author of Across My Silence, 2007, World Audience, Inc. 

    PROSE READING: “Near Misses,” a story by Lynn C. Miller. Her latest book is the collection The Lost Archive (April, 2023, U of Wisconsin Press). https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm  www.lynncmiller.com

    BREAK MUSIC: "Waking up in a Baobab" by jvm

    POEM 2: Outside the Frame” by Susan Aizenberg from her new collection, A Walk With Frank O’Hara and Other Poems, in press from the University of New Mexico Press. susanaizenberg.wordpress.com

    SONG 2: "Horseshoes, Hand Grenades & Love"  (composed and sung by jvm)

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff, BMI 
    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 
    Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead.

    NEXT UP:  Episode 31   MONSTERS  

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Taking the Leap

    Taking the Leap

    Teasers by John Burroughs and Jane Francis

    Song 1: "The Edge” (composed and sung by JVM)

    Poem 1: “Why We Bought a Horse” by Mark Sanders. Mark lives in Nacogdoches, TX and teaches at Stephen F. Austin University. https://sandersme1.wixsite.com/mark-sanders/

    Short Story: excerpt from “David’s Harvest” by Lynn C. Miller from her collection The Lost Archive (April, 2023, U of Wisconsin Press). https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm

    Feed the Cat Break: : intro to "Try It Again" (by Dave Merrill w/ jvm on bass, 1984)

    Poem 2: Coronary Artery Bypass Graft by Kelly Yenser, from his collection in process, “So Far Undone.” He has two poetry collections with UNM Press: Walking Uphill at Noon and The News as Usual.

    Song 2: "This New Song"  (Dave Merrill, 2006)  

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. Produced at The Creek Studio

    NEXT UP: The Unruly Muse #30: “Near Misses”

     

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Hauntings

    Hauntings

    Poem 1: “Ghosts in my Pockets” by Julie Williams, author of Escaping Tornado Season and Drama Queens in the House.

    Song 1: Chalk Marks  (poem by Ivria Sackton of Austin TX, 1981, arranged and sung by jvm)

    Poem 2: “Comfort Inn” by Scott Wiggerman, from his first book Vegetables and Other Relationships.

    Story excerpt: from “The Last Usher” in The Lost Archive by Lynn C. Miller (2023) https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm

    Feed the Cat Break: "Night Light" by jvm

    Prose excerpt: from the novel The Blue Diamond by John Vincent Modaff (amazon)

    Song 2: Ghost Melodies (jvm; harmonica by Dave Merrill)

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and incidental music by John V. Modaff, BMI 
    The Unruly Muse is Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 29, “Taking the Leap” 

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Friends, Lost & Found

    Friends, Lost & Found

    Song 1: Deaths Elsewhere (John V. Modaff)

    Poem 1: “Her Brown Horse Must Rise from the Dead” by Marge Saiser. Originally published in bosque #6 literary journal. www.bosquepress.com

    Short Story excerpt: “Solid Ground” by Lynn C. Miller. From a collection of stories in process about a North Dakota farm family. www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat break:  from Hot Summer by Dave Merrill

    Poem 2: “Enough” by JoAn Rittenhouse. Originally published in bosque #6 literary journal. www.bosquepress.com

    Song 2: A Little Smoke (Phil Schmidt, circa 1978, arr. John V. Modaff)

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and incidental music by John V. Modaff 
    The Unruly Muse is Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 28, “Haunting”

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    What Is Offensive?

    What Is Offensive?

    Song 1: “The Nasty Song” composed and sung by Dave Merrill with instrumental and vocal help from John V. Modaff and Vaughn Deel. (1984)

    Poem 1: “Ladybird, ladybird, fly away home” by Mikki Aronoff. First published in Love’s Executive Order  (background music Hail to the Chief  by James Sanderson)

    Short story excerpt: “Everyday Monsters” by Lynn C. Miller. Her new collection, The Lost Archive, came out in April, 2023: https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm 

    Feed the Cat Break: "News From The Cat Network" by JVM (1997)

    Poem 2: “What is Offensive” by Hilda Raz. Her latest book is Letters from a Place I’ve Never Been: Collected and New Poems. University of Nebraska Press, 2021. https://hildaraz.com/ 

    Song 2: "Didja Want Toast Wit Dat?" composed & performed by TBone Kelly, registered France, 2015.

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Show theme and incidental music by John V. Modaff
    The Unruly Muse is Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 27, “Friendship”

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Strange Encounters

    Strange Encounters

    Teasers: Ernest Hemingway, C.S. Lewis, and Heraclitus

    Song 1: Grand Prize written and sung by JVM with Dan Modaff on lead guitar

    Poem 1: “Window Shopping in Guatemala” by Kelly Jon Yenser, whose new book of poems, Walking Uphill at Noon,  2022 from UNM Press.

    Story excerpt from “The Last Usher” by Lynn C. Miller. Published in The Lost Archive, 2023, https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm

    Feed the Cat Break: excerpt from Centrum Amsterdam Purples by Tbone Kelly. Druidbone Productions, registered 2013, France

    Poem 2: “Autumn,” by Sue Hallgarth, published in bosque 5www.bosquepress.com. Her series on Willa Cather and Edith Lewis, On the Rocks and Death Comes are published by Arbor Farm Press.

    Song 2: Mathias Rust by JVM, Dan Modaff on mandolin and 2nd guitar

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
    Theme and Incidental Music by John V. Modaff, BMI 
    Recorded in Albuquerque NM and Morehead KY. 
    Produced at The Creek Studio. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 26, “What is Offensive?”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    What Is Magic?

    What Is Magic?

    Song 1:  Magic Word composed and performed by John V. Modaff. Viola by Dave Merrill.

    Poem 1: “Abracadabra” by Sarah Kotchian. Published in ABQ inPrint issue #3, 2019. www.bosquepress.com Her new book, Light of Wings, will come out in 2024.

    Short story, “Simply Magic,” by Lynn C. Miller. Her new collection, The Lost Archive, comes out in April, 2023: https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm

    Feed the Cat Break: Ride by Dave Merrill.

    Poem 2:  “At Home” by Mark Sanders. Mark lives in Nacogdoches, TX and teaches at Stephen F. Austin University. https://sandersme1.wixsite.com/mark-sanders/

    Song 2: Blue River composed and performed by JVM.

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller

    Theme and Incidental Music by John V. Modaff, BMI

    Recorded in Albuquerque NM and Morehead KY. Produced at The Creek Studio.


    NEXT UP: Episode 25, Strange Encounters

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Collecting

    Collecting

    Teasers by Albert Einstein, Sylvia Plath, and Mackenzie Finklea

    Song 1:  Froney’s Museum (composed and performed by John Modaff with Dan Modaff on mandolin and solo guitar)

    Poem 1: “The Invisible Woman” by Julie Williams (2013), from her collection in progress. Author of Escaping Tornado Season (a novel in poems) and Drama Queens in the House.

    Short Story: excerpt from “Archival Footage” by Lynn C. Miller from her collection The Lost Archive (April, 2023, U of Wisconsin Press). https://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/6155.htm

    Feed the Cat Break: Snow Day (composed and performed by Dave Merrill)

    Poem 2: “Suddenly My Life” by Jack Cooper. Author of Across My Silence, 2007, World Audience, Inc. 

    Song 2: Your Wall (composed and performed by John Modaff)

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Theme and Incidental Music by John V. Modaff, BMI 

    Recorded in Albuquerque NM and Morehead KY. Produced at The Creek Studio. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 24, What is Magic?

     

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Food For Thought

    Food For Thought

    Teaser: Quotes from Ernestine Ulmer, Julia Child, and Maya Angelou

    Song 1: Shaving Cream Eyes  (Robert Hopper; played by JVM and Dan Modaff)  

    Poem 1: “One Toe Crooked” by Hilda Raz. Published in Letters from a Place I’ve Never Been: Collected and New Poems.University of Nebraska Press, 2021. https://hildaraz.com/

    Short Story: “Old Vines” by Lynn C. Miller. Forthcoming in the collection The Lost Archive, University of Wisconsin Press, April, 2023.

    Feed the Cat break:  a cut of Baby Fat by T-bone Kelly from his CD Toast

    Poem 2: “Carciofo”by Katherine DiBella Seluja. Published in bosque journal #8, 2008 and forthcoming in Point of Entry, UNM Press, 2023. 

    Song 2: Platter of Love  (JVM)                      

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff 

    The Unruly Muse is Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 23, “Collecting” 

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Youth and Age

    Youth and Age

    Teaser: Quotes from Oscar Wilde, Arthur C. Clarke, and Ernest Hemingway

    Song 1: Generic Protest Song  (by jvm, performed by John Modaff & Dan Modaff)

    Poem 1: “Eleanor Can’t Sleep” by Susan Aizenberg, published in ABQ inPrint #6, Fall, 2022. Susan lives in Iowa City, IA. She has a new collection, A Walk With Frank O’Hara and Other Poems, in press from the University of New Mexico Press. susanaizenberg.wordpress.com

    Short Story: “Standing in the Light” by Lynn C. Miller. Her new collection of stories, The Lost Archive, will be published in March, 2023 by the University of Wisconsin Press. www.lynncmiller.com 

    Feed the Cat Break: “Asteroid Belt” by Dave Merrill

    Poem 2: “Swimming Lesson” by Mikki Aronoff, published in Value: Essays, Stories & Poems by Women of a Certain Age, March, 2017.

    Song 2: “Gardener” by Dave Merrill

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff, BMI

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead.

    NEXT UP:  “Food for Thought”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    MEMORY

    MEMORY

    Teaser: Quotes from Louise Glück and Milan Kundera

    Song 1: “Two Trains” by written and performed by John V. Modaff and Good Enough from the CD More Than A Line(2018)

    Poem 1: “All That Is Made” by Sarah Kotchian, published in ABQ inPrint #6, fall, 2022. www.bosquepress.com. Her new book, Light of Wings, will come out in 2024.

    Short story, “Remember?” by Lynn C. Miller. Her new collection of stories, The Lost Archive, will come in 2023. www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat Break: “Park Bench,” recollections of a certain bench at water’s edge on a warm day of rain by JVM. 

    Poem 2: “There’s Another Story I tell Myself So I Won’t Forget,” by Julie Williams from her novel-in-poems Escaping Tornado Season, Harper, 2004.

    Song 2: “The Wounded,” written and sung by T. Bone Kelly, second verse drawn from “The Wound” by the warrior poet Dermot O’Neill.

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff. 

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead. 

    NEXT UP: Episode 21, “Youth and Age”

     

     

     

     

     

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    FAITH

    FAITH

    Teaser: Quotes from J.M. Barrie, Edgar Allen Poe, and the Buddha on faith and doubt.

    Song 1: “To JC and the Boys” John V. Modaff (w/ Dan Modaff on banjo and mandolin.)

    Poem 1: “Doubting Thomas” by Scott Wiggerman, Albuquerque poet and co-founder of Los Gatos Press.

    Fiction: excerpt from story, “How Did You Know It Was Time to Go?” published in Articulated Short Story Anthology, 2016 and forthcoming in THE LOST ARCHIVE in Spring, 2023. www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat break: music by Dave Merrill, portion of Wolf Town

    Poem 2: “My Grandmother Told the Story This Way” by Katherine Seluja, forthcoming in her new collection Point of Entry, UNM Press, 2023.

    Song 2: “With You” JVM.

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 
     

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff 
    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 
    Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead. 
    NEXT UP:  Episode 20, “Memory”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    Closets

    Closets

    Teaser: Quotes by George Bernard Shaw, Henry Van Dyke, Jeremiah Brent, and Roald Dahl on closets and secrets.

    Song 1: “Ballad of Mollie Bean” written and performed by John V. Modaff, with Dan Modaff on mandolin

    Poem 1: “The Last Detail” by Jack Cooper. Published by Bosque Press in ABQ inPrint #5, Fall, 2021. www.bosquepress.com

    Fiction: excerpt from “The Surrogate,” a novel-in-progress by Lynn C. Miller. www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat break: acoustic guitar by Chris Geyerman with jvm on piano

    Poem 2: “Dear Husband from Afar” by Barbara Rockman. From the collection to cleave, published by UNM Press, 2019. The poet says: “I was literally afar at a three-week artists' residency at Atlantic Center for the Arts in Florida; my husband was home in New Mexico.” 

    Song 2: “Closets Gonna Sing” by JVM, harmonicas courtesy of Dave Merrill

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff 

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. 

    Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead 

    NEXT UP: Episode 19, “Faith”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    In/Sanity

    In/Sanity

    Teaser: Oscar Wilde and Agatha Christie on in/sanity

    Song 1:  “Kind of Crazy” written and performed by JVM with Dan Modaff on mandolin

    Poem 1: “Meditation“ by Hilda Raz. Published in Letters from a Place I’ve Never Been: Collected and New Poems. University of Nebraska Press, 2021. https://hildaraz.com/

    Short Story: “Flight,” by Lynn C. Miller. Forthcoming in The Lost Archive: Stories, University of Wisconsin Press, 2023. www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the Cat Break:  “Dawgie’s Tale” by JVM

    Poem 2: “Monster” by Tina Carlson. Published in ABQ inPrint issue 5. Her new collection, A Guide to Tongue Tie Surgery,is forthcoming from the University of New Mexico Press in 2023.

    Song 2: “Tried to Be Cold” written and performed by JVM

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller 

    Show theme and Incidental music by John V. Modaff 

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY.   Produced at The Creek Studio, Morehead 

    NEXT UP: Episode 18, “Closets”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John

    The Country

    The Country

    Teaser: Opposite takes on the country by Emily Bronte in Wuthering Heights (1847) and from Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle (stories written 1887-1927).

    Song 1: “Saturday” (JVM with Dave Merrill and Dan Modaff)

    Poem 1: “Memorial Day” by Julie Williams, Minneapolis-based poet, novelist and visual artist. Escaping Tornado Season, HarperCollins 2004, Drama Queens in the House, Roaring Brook/Macmillan, 2014

    Story excerpt: “A Winter Heart” by Lynn C. Miller, from a book of linked stories in progress. www.lynncmiller.com

    Feed the cat break—music by JVM, "Park Bench"

    Poem 2: “River-Mind” by Priscilla Long published in bosque 6

    (www.bosquepress.com). Her book Holy Magic won the Sally Abiso award from MoonPath Press. www.priscillalong.com

    Song 2: “Georgia Pacific 219” sung by Dan Modaff (Dan & John Modaff and Larry Modaff, cd: Dakota Plains)

    Episode artwork by Lynda Miller

    Show theme and incidental music by John V. Modaff

    Recorded in Albuquerque, NM and Morehead, KY. Produced at The Creek Studio

    NEXT UP: The Unruly Muse #17: “In/Sanity”

    To our listeners the world over: please tell a friend about the podcast! Thank you.  Lynn & John