The Waking The Wild Show

This week’s show is with the amazing Erik Jampa Andersson. Erik Jampa Andersson is the founder and director of Shrimala, an author, a London-based practitioner, teacher, and scholar of Tibetan Medicine (Sowa Rigpa), Tibetan Buddhism, and Environmental History.

He is a graduate of the Shang Shung Institute School of Tibetan Medicine, and recently completed his MA in History at Goldsmiths University, where his research focused on the historical intersection of ecology, health, and mythology in a more-than-human world. He is the author of Unseen Beings: How We Forgot the World is More Than Human (Hay House, May 2023).

In this conversation, Erik and Lian explored the hierarchical way humans relate to non-humans (especially in relation to people getting into Shamanism or Jungian approaches).

Erik shared his journey through Tibetan Buddhism and into a more immanent approach.

They explored the significance of storytelling and fantasy in reclaiming enchantment and fostering a more animistic worldview, emphasising the importance of recognising the personhood of non-human beings and the need to break free from an anthropocentric worldview.

They both spoke of the recognition of animism as a foundational way of experiencing the world and the importance of preserving unbroken animistic traditions.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Recognise the personhood of non-human beings and embrace the relational experience of enchantment, developing an animistic worldview that acknowledges the diversity and continuity of beingness.

• Engage in storytelling and fantasy to reclaim enchantment and challenge our conditioned anthropocetric worldview.

• Preserve and learn from unbroken animistic traditions while being cautious of cultural erasure. Learn from wisdom holders and engage with their knowledge with gratitude and humility, whilst approaching traditional systems with pragmatism and nuance, adapting them to your own life and circumstances rather than taking them on in a way that doesn’t take into account the change in context.

• Focus on building meaningful relationships with others, including non-human beings - this is something we focus on in an upcoming episode

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Visit Erik’s Website:

  • shrimala.com

  • erikjampa.com

• Be Mythical is soon opening the doors to our new academy of alchemical arts - UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union... To get your special invitation register HERE.

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Lian & Jonathan

This week’s show is with Ian Watson. Ian is an educator, author and facilitator who has worked in the field of well-being, holistic healing and inner transformation since 1988.

He has travelled extensively giving seminars, courses and retreats around the world. Ian became widely known as a speaker and writer in homeopathy, which he taught and practised until 2003. He subsequently trained in a wide variety of psychological and emotional healing disciplines in the following decade.

Ian has been a lifelong student of the work of Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung and the great spiritual traditions of the world, taoism and zen buddhism in particular. In 2011 he discovered the work of Sydney Banks which has been pivotal in aligning his psychological and spiritual understanding together with his holistic approach to health and healing.

In this conversation, Ian and Lian journeyed into the topic of balancing the descent to soul with the ascent to spirit, or said differently, the transcendent path versus the path of knowing oneself.

They explored the transcendent aspect of the mythological journey and the integration of the spiritual and earthly realms. Lian and Ian both share personal experiences of the transcendent and discuss the role of the Three Principles understanding in making sense of these experiences.

They also explored the Western focus on individuality and the importance of heeding intuition and wisdom in order to follow the path of our own soul. The conversation highlights the need to balance the transcendent and earthly realms to live a spiritual life in the physical world.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• The mythological journey can take us onto seemingly contrary paths that honor both the transcendent aspect and a descent into the human experience and our unique bodies and souls.

• Following intuition and wisdom can lead to a deeper understanding of one's path and the integration of the transcendent and earthly realms.

• Living a spiritual life involves recognising the sacredness of the earth and the body. Remembering and forgetting is a natural part of our experience.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Details of Ian’s work can be found at www.theinsightspace.com 

• Be Mythical is soon opening the doors to our new academy of alchemical arts - UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union... To get your special invitation register HERE.

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Ian Watson. Ian is an educator, author and facilitator who has worked in the field of well-being, holistic healing and inner transformation since 1988.

He has travelled extensively giving seminars, courses and retreats around the world. Ian became widely known as a speaker and writer in homeopathy, which he taught and practised until 2003. He subsequently trained in a wide variety of psychological and emotional healing disciplines in the following decade.

Ian has been a lifelong student of the work of Joseph Campbell, Carl Jung and the great spiritual traditions of the world, taoism and zen buddhism in particular. In 2011 he discovered the work of Sydney Banks which has been pivotal in aligning his psychological and spiritual understanding together with his holistic approach to health and healing.

In this conversation, Ian and Lian journeyed into the topic of myth as a path of self-illumination and healing, our own stories of discovering the power of myth, some of the myths that have called us to work with them, and the ways that anyone called to myth and self-knowledge can journey deeper.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• The mythical worldview is one that comes naturally for humans, we are conditioned out of it but can reclaim it - we just need to pay attention and heed the call

• Notice what resonates for you and trust it is the path to gold, this is a journey of the heart, not the head alone

• Value and prioritise your time in non-ordinary consciousness, day dreams, night dreams, and trance, and working with the symbols that arise.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Details of Ian’s work can be found at www.theinsightspace.com 

• Be Mythical is soon opening the doors to our new academy of alchemical arts - UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union... To get your special invitation register HERE.

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Dr. Helané Wahbeh. Helané is the Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and an adjunct assistant professor in the Department of Neurology at Oregon Health & Science University. Dr. Wahbeh is clinically trained as a naturopathic physician and research trained with a Master of Clinical Research and two post-doctoral research fellowships.

Recently named President of the Parapsychological Association, she has published on and spoken internationally about her studies on complementary and alternative medicine, mind-body medicine, extended human capacities, stress, posttraumatic stress disorder, and their relationships to physiology, health, and healing.

Dr. Wahbeh is especially known for her research around — and noetic approach to — channeling. She is the author of some 90+ peer-reviewed publications, the new book The Science of Channeling: Why You Should Trust Your Intuition and the Force That Connects Us All and Free To Be Me: A Journey of Transformation through Generational Healing.

In this show, Helané and Lian explored the topics of telepathy, precognition, and intention - specifically through the lens of harnessing those abilities in the healing arts. Helané shared research on telephone telepathy, where people accurately guess who is calling them above chance, and the power of bringing focused positive intention to support others' health. They also spoke about the unique ways individuals express their intuitive wisdom - although these are abilities we can see in many humans, some do have a genetic propensity to be especially strong in certain abilities - and that’s something we can train and hone too.

We’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation…  please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Telepathy is the communication of impressions from one mind to another that is independent of recognized channels of sense. Research shows that telephone telepathy is a common phenomenon, with people accurately guessing who is calling them above chance.

• Intention plays a significant role in healing and can be used to support others' health and well-being.

• The Noetic Signature explores the unique ways individuals express their intuitive gifts, but it’s important to recognise that it seems that everyone has the capacity to tap into this wisdom.

• Using focused positive intention can influence the physical world and contribute to creating a world of peace, love, and freedom for all.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Institute of Noetic Sciences Research

• Free To Be Me: A Journey of Transformation through Generational Healing

• The Science of Channeling: Why You Should Trust Your Intuition and the Force That Connects Us All

• Be Mythical is soon opening the doors to our new academy of alchemical arts - UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union... To get your special invitation register HERE.

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Caitlin Matthews. Caitlin is an internationally renowned author, a teacher of shamanic training programme, a facilitator of Systemic Ritual® and the co-founder of the Foundation for Inspirational and Oracular Studies (FÍOS).

Caitlín Matthews is the author of over 80 books, including Diary of a Soul Doctor, Singing the Soul Back Home, the Art of Celtic Seership, Celtic Devotional and The Celtic Book of the Dead. Her books have won a number of awards. She is known internationally for her work on the spiritual, mythic and ancestral traditions of Britain and Ireland. She teaches and works with communities and spiritual institutions worldwide from Iceland to Portugal and from USA to Australia.

Caitlín is a co-founder of the Foundation for Inspirational and Oracular Studies (FÍOS), which is dedicated to the sacred arts that shape the landscape of the soul, via vision, dream and memory. FÍOS hosts masterclasses with exemplars of living, oracular sacred traditions that are rarely recorded in writing or given an honourable place in modern society. Caitlín has had a shamanic healing practice in Oxford for the last 30 years, working in the community to deepen connections to the ancestral traditions which are our heritage.

In this conversation, Caitlin and Lian dived deep the importance of reconnecting with ancestral traditions for those of us who are change-workers and healers. They discussed the power of perception, the call to shamanism, and the role of myth, symbol and metaphor in healing. Caitlin emphasised the importance of voice and singing in ancestral traditions and the fear that often surrounds it. They also explored the unique qualities of the islands and the importance of being rooted in the land.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Perception plays a crucial role in shamanic experiences, allowing individuals to perceive things and in ways that others may not be able to.

• The call to shamanism often comes in a way that gets our attention and may not be comfortable, but it is a powerful and transformative journey.

• Connecting with ancestral traditions and the land is essential in shamanic practice, as it provides a deep sense of rootedness and connection.

• The power of voice and singing is a central aspect of ancestral traditions, and overcoming the fear of singing can be a transformative experience.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• For Caitlin’s books & courses see: www.hallowquest.org.uk

• For Caitlin’s more writing on a range of topics, including a year-long course, Blessings of the Celtic Year, see her Hallowquest Sanctuary at www.hallowquest.substack.com

• Be Mythical is soon opening the doors to our new academy of alchemical arts - UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union... To get your special invitation register HERE.

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Joshua Michael Schrei, a writer, a teacher, the founder and host of The Emerald podcast.

The Emerald combines evocative narrative, soul-stirring music, and interviews with award-winning authors and luminaries to explore the human experience through a vibrant lens of myth, story, and imagination. The Emerald draws from a deep well of poetry, lore, and mythos to challenge conventional narratives on politics and public discourse, meditation and mindfulness, art, science, literature, and more.

A writer, teacher, and a lifelong student of the cosmologies and mythologies of the world — in particular the Indian subcontinent — Josh has sought to navigate the living, animate space of the imagination and advocate for a world that prioritizes imaginative vision. Josh has taught intensive courses in mythology and somatic disciplines for nearly 20 years.

In this conversation, Joshua and Lian journeyed into exploring the role of the mythopoetic worldview in change work, i.e. for those of us healing and guiding others.

We discuss the importance of myth and the animistic worldview but also that it’s the one that humans have held for the vast majority of our time on earth, the need to go beyond intellectual analysis and engage in practical actions and offerings to establish a deeper relationship with the living forces around us, and the challenges of bridging the gap between Western analytical approaches and the embodied knowing of mythic work.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Myth is not an abstract concept but a living reality that can be experienced through practical actions and offerings. Engaging with myth and the animistic worldview requires a shift in consciousness and a recognition of our relational responsibility to the living world.

• The Western worldview often separates us from the animate world, but our ancestors lived in deep reciprocal relationship with the land and its beings.

• Symbols and archetypes are not mere abstractions but tangible forces that can be experienced and engaged with in a direct and practical way.

• Forgetting and remembering our connection to the animate world is a continuous process that requires humility and openness to new experiences. Seek out spaces and practices that offer tangible spiritual experiences.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• To find out more about Joshua's work, visit The Emerald Podcast at: patreon.com/theemeraldpodcast

• Be Mythical is soon opening the doors to our new academy of alchemical arts - UNIO: The Academy of Sacred Union... To get your special invitation register HERE.

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Lian and Jonathan

This was the first episode of the new Be Mythical podcast with Lian and Jonathan.

In this conversation, we discuss the launch of all things Be Mythical, including the work of living your soul’s truth, the challenges faced by old souls in the modern world and the need to reconnect with nature and rewild oneself, the power of community and ritual in the journey of self-discovery. We also shared more details about the upcoming Mythical Academy and improvements to this show.

This week’s show is with the amazing Dr Joanna LaPrade. Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., is a Registered Psychotherapist, author, speaker, and educator.

Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., earned her doctorate in Jungian and archetypal psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. She is now the founder of Aion Psychotherapy and a practicing Jungian psychotherapist in Colorado. Her therapeutic work focuses on helping clients find a meaningful connection to their inner worlds.

Outside of her practice, Dr. LaPrade is a speaker and educator whose expertise focus on myth, psyche, and the Jungian and archetypal perspective. She is also the author of Forged in Darkness: The Many Paths of Personal Transformation, a book that unites self-discovery with mythology, to handle an important dilemma of our times—how to navigate the darkness of life.

In this conversation, Dr Joanna and Lian dived deep into an exploration, inspired by the question of: What is true growth?

They nerded out on telos, fate, astrology, and symbols, and the inherent paradox and challenges we’re brought present to whilst journeying on this path.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Joanna shared Jung’s self-reflective question of “Who am I to have this happen to me?” - this is an orientation to our lives that can invite and open us into having a deep intimacy with ourselves.

• Allowing symbols to emerge and yet, holding them lightly and allowing the space for the tension of not knowing allows more to arise

• What will help you to hold the tension between the known and unknown, to journey with the deep questions without needing to kill the questions or fix the problem?

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• For more information about Dr. Joanna’s work, visit www.aionpsychotherapy.com

• Books mentioned:

  • The Sound of Bells by Norah Moore

  • Jung’s Studies in Astrology: Prophecy, Magic, and the Qualities of Time by Liz Greene

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Maggy Whitehouse. Maggy Whitehouse is an independent sacramental minister, a lifetime student of Judaeo-Christian mysticism, the author of 20 books on spirituality, mysticism and Bible metaphysics and started out as a stand-up comedian at the age of 56.

She was a finalist in the 2015 UK Funny Women Awards. Maggy has worked in newspapers, radio, TV, for the BBC’s famed World Service and, most recently, was Sunday morning faith presenter for BBC Radio Devon. She made it on to Wikipedia after writing a sensible book about Opus Dei at the time of all the palaver over The Da Vinci Code.

She has been widowed, divorced, healed from cancer, worked as a hospice chaplain, ridden on a Bengal tiger and survived a barracuda attack off the Barrier Reef.

Both Maggy’s mother and her Bishop think she should get a proper job.

In this show, Lian and Maggy explored resistance, specifically through the lens of how it shows up in the form of temptations to avoid expressing our soul’s truth, how we can tell when it’s showing up (by design it’s sneaky), and how we can learn to orient back to our souls and God.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation…  please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Noticing your ‘Should’s and ‘Yes but’s… they are clues to resistance showing up

• Make your connection to the Divine a priority, do it first and often, 30 seconds of meditation, lighting a candle, going to your altar, speaking a prayer… a little goes a long way to taking you back to your soul

• Let the light of your own unique soul be that which helps others to navigate back to theirs

Resources and stuff that we spoke about

• Maggy’s Website that you can check out:

  • maggywhitehouse.com

  • treeofsapphires.com

• Listen to Maggy’s podcast: Train Wrecks for Jesus. Introducing Mark and Maggy

• The Chapel of Liberation meditation that Maggy offered: here’s a link to her podcast in which she shares it

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Wendy Dooner. Wendy Dooner is a Medical Herbalist and Shamanic Practitioner from Scotland who is passionate about reconnecting women with the innate healing wisdom of nature and their bodies.

Wendy graduated from university in 2005 with a Bachelor of Science (honours) degree in Herbal Medicine (Phytotherapy) and, more recently, a 3-year advanced Shamanic Practitioner course. Weaving back together the threads of science, magic and spirituality in herbal medicine has been a major focus of her practice recently and is a cornerstone of her teachings; she now practices what she has called Shamanic Herbalism. Through her online courses, workshops, or one-on-one consultations, Wendy ensures that this wonderful blend of ancient wisdom and modern science reaches all her students.

At the heart of Wendy's practice is her profound connection with her native medicinal plants. She believes that these plants hold the answers to many of our modern ailments.

In her practice, Wendy doesn't just prescribe herbs; she introduces her clients to a world where plants are people; they are teachers, guides, allies and elders. She believes that every plant has a story to tell and a lesson to impart, and it's her mission to facilitate these transformative conversations between nature and the individual.

She lives happily in a small community in the foothills of the Cairngorms in Scotland with her husband and 2 young sons, where she forages in the wilds of the moorlands, grows herbs in her messy garden and skateboards at every spare opportunity.

In this show, Lian and Wendy explored our experience and understanding of autistic people, and maybe especially women, being designed to be healers, how the very aspects of ourselves that have created struggles, can be used in service of helping others to heal, and what we’ve seen can be helpful to alchemise those challenges into gold.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation…  please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• As both Lian and Wendy’s experiences showed, being late diagnosed as a woman can bring its own emotions and challenges - there’s a reckoning and grieving needed in order to move forward into claiming the gifts that autism brings

• Pattern recognition, empathy, adherence to ritual, openness to spirits and other realms, and attention to detail are all aspects of autism that can be used in service of supporting others in their journey to wholeness

• Diving into the work of reclaiming the unwanted and hidden parts of us is challenging for most people but maybe especially for autistic people for whom there has been an even greater challenge, necessity, and effort needed to fit in and function - it requires the right support and readiness, and we can be helped by understanding and using some of the very same gifts we will ultimately serve to others.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about

• Visit Wendy’s Website:

  • wendydooner.com

  • The Center for Shamanism: Shamanic Herbal 1:1 with Wendy

• Follow The Center of Shamanism in Social Media:

  • Facebook: Wendy Dooner

  • Instagram: @wendy.shamanicherbalist

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is a round table conversation with five medicinal souls sharing their journey of becoming their medicine. They are Sara Sanderson - a soul guide and seer, Pablo Meccano, a coach, shadow worker, science fiction writer & grower of medicinal plants, Kate Barsby - a soul guide, Georgie Anstey - a community farmer, and Karl Brooks - a drum circle facilitator.

All of whom are alumni of different cohorts of our signature crucible Medicine, which guides medicinal old souls to discover their purpose, uncover their unique gifts, and become their medicine.

The journey they went on is an ancient journey, experienced in different ways in different cultures across the world and throughout history, and so the episode was a rich exploration of their own personal journey of this archetypal journey, traveling deep into their sacred wounds, to alchemise their medicine, first giving it to themselves and then serving it to others.

Lian was called to hold the conversation in a circle-style way, similar to Medicine itself, so you’ll hear each person speaking themselves into circle using their medicine name, something that was uncovered during their work in Medicine. Notice what intrigues or activates you, both in the medicine names and also throughout the episode - and what it might reveal about your own soul’s calling.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• I loved how each of the medicinal ones had different experiences of Medicine, including why they joined, even though the work journeyed through was apparently the same - this is because the work is really happening inside them - their own soul’s longings, wounds, alchemy, and medicine.

• What Karl said, and Pablo echoed, about the power of not knowing and journeying with the mystery, is an important principle of initiation, and is required when we are journeying into territory beyond the ideas and tools we have learned and clung to.

• Kate and Georgie both shared about how their medicine was first taken by themselves - we can only alchemise that potency and uniqueness of medicine ourselves - and this is true nature of healing.

• What Sara shared about truth and expression is something that is so important for all medicinal souls to hear - most of us are meant to express ourselves in ways that are different to most people in our modern culture. That’s the most challenging thing of all for so many of us, and why we benefit from doing this work in a circle of others who can witness and support us in that unfurling into our truth.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

Medicine ‘24: find out more and book your Medicine Illumination call HERE

Sara Sanderson has a background in coaching and mentoring across the arts, business and community sectors with a passion for supporting people to bring out their creative expression. She sees the potential in others and love to help them to see it too and live fully. Sara has an open and honest approach to life offering a nurturing, loving, truthful, and playful connection with the people she meets and works with. Sara guides and liberates people to live from the truth of who they are, fully expressed to be and do what their soul came here for. She does this professionally through her role as Connection Creatrix at Waking The Wild, and for her own 1:1 clients. She is currently on a journey to undertake an apprenticeship to become a Soul Guide with Waking The Wild Ltd, and to rebirth the social enterprise she co-founded in 2020.

Pablo Meccano is a life coach, shadow worker who was once an accomplished designer/maker, turned to living his truth and works from a cabin as a writer and guide, landlocked but never bored in Hertfordshire. He is a grower of herbs, a forager who advises on nutrition and some of nature’s more medicinal gifts, and describing his latter-life, as the difference between night and day, guides others to discover the same for themselves. Currently he is setting up a retreat for self-discovery in Cornwall, and continues to write in the genre of science-fiction, both short stories and novels. He invites us all to get out of our head – to that place where us humans were always meant to manifest – meaningfully – quite purposefully from heart in the now. Find out more about Pablo at shamandalacoaching.com

Kate Barsby is a Meaning-Maker, Spiritual Guide, Rites of Passage Doula, Ceremony Creator and Holder. She provides spiritual support and soul guidance to women in midlife who long to deepen into themselves, and life, create more ease and love in their relationships and express the fullness of who they came here to be. Find out more about Kate at sacredopenings.com

Georgie Anstey is an unlikely farmer who, as part of a cooperative of people, runs a community supported agriculture project in Stroud in Gloucestershire. Common Soil provides nourishing food grown in a respectful relationship with nature and in a way that supports wildlife habitats. The initiative offers people very local food, a say over how food is grown and provides a place where they can connect to the land, the seasons and each other. Georgie completed Medicine in 2021, while setting up this community farm. Find out more about Georgie at commonsoil.co.uk

Karl Brooks’ drum circles: dragonflywellnessuk.co.uk

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with the amazing Dr Joanna Laprade. Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., is a Registered Psychotherapist, author, speaker, and educator.

Joanna LaPrade, M.A. Ph.D., earned her doctorate in Jungian and archetypal psychology from Pacifica Graduate Institute. She is now the founder of Aion Psychotherapy and a practicing Jungian psychotherapist in Colorado. Her therapeutic work focuses on helping clients find a meaningful connection to their inner worlds.

Outside of her practice, Dr. LaPrade is a speaker and educator whose expertise focus on myth, psyche, and the Jungian and archetypal perspective. She is also the author of Forged in Darkness: The Many Paths of Personal Transformation, a book that unites self-discovery with mythology, to handle an important dilemma of our times—how to navigate the darkness of life.

In this conversation, Dr Joanna and Lian dived deep into the underworld, what that means for us personally and in our work with others, the challenges of that given the functioning bias of our modern culture, and how we can better honour and become intimate with the dark places in our psyches and our work.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Our culture is so focused on functioning, the direct route, bigger, brighter and braver, it can be very unwelcome to be pulled into the underworld to meet the parts of ourselves that have been left there, especially when that entails a risk of not functioning

• As change workers we need to go first, embodying and modeling an intimacy with the darkness, it is only from here that we can hold the space for our clients to do the same

• The myths can illuminate the path into and out of the darkness - allowing us to see the deeper, collective, and archetypal nature of what we’re experiencing

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• For more information about Dr. Joanna’s work, visit www.aionpsychotherapy.com

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Lian and Jonathan

This week’s show is with Michael Meade. Michael Meade, D.H.L., is a renowned storyteller, author, and scholar of mythology, anthropology, and psychology.

He combines hypnotic storytelling, street-savvy perceptiveness, and spellbinding interpretations of ancient myths with a deep knowledge of cross-cultural rituals. He has an unusual ability to distill and synthesize these disciplines, tapping into ancestral sources of wisdom and connecting them to the stories we are living today.

He is the author of Awakening the Soul, The Genius Myth, Fate and Destiny: The Two Agreements of The Soul, Why the World Doesn't End, The Water of Life: Initiation and the Tempering of the Soul; editor, with James Hillman and Robert Bly, of Rag and Bone Shop of the Heart; and the creator of the Living Myth Podcast.

Michael Meade is the founder of Mosaic Multicultural Foundation, a nonprofit network of artists, activists, and community builders that encourages greater understanding between diverse peoples.

In this conversation, Michael and Lian explored the wonderful topic of how mythic narratives reveal hidden knowledge for healing and making things whole, especially for those of us working as change-makers and healers of others.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• I’ve noticed that so many people can connect the dots back to events in childhood that seeded their destiny, or marked their soul, as Michael said. Michael’s own story of being gifted the book of mythology was a beautiful example of this. I also loved how he said that our calling will keep calling!

• Stories are a way we can enter the dream, the other world, as a group - and discover our place in the story.

• As Michael said, archetypes come with vital energy and intention - which is exactly what we need right now for healing ourselves and the collective

• Myths show us that beginnings come with endings and that as Michael said “the cracks are where the archetypes get through.”

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Mosaic Website: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/

• Living Myth Podcast: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/podcast

• Michael Meade Events: https://www.mosaicvoices.org/events

• Michael Meade Courses: https://courses.mosaicvoices.org/

   

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This week’s show is with Jessica Howard, an author and a mentor who has been a practicing witch for over 20 years.

She has dabbled in a wide array of magick, including Ceremonial Magick, Chaos Magick, Heathenry, as well as less witchcraft based spiritual practices like Buddhism and Taoism.

She is the author of 'The Art of Lithomancy' and 'The Water Witch: An Introduction To Water Water Witchcraft', and she has a passion for all things spiritual. Jessica currently mentors as a part of an online group, specifically in Energy Work, Kitchen Witchcraft, Guided Meditation and Visualisation and Lithomancy.

In this conversation, Jessica and Lian explored the fascinating topic of divination, and specifically through the lens of healers and guides using divination as part of our work when serving our clients.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• As change workers, there’s a powerful distinction to relate to divination as a way to awareness of what’s at play now, rather than as fortune-telling, for both ourselves and also in our work with others

• What are we connecting with: specific spirits, our own subconscious, or Spirit/God as a whole? Or maybe all three.

• Wild nature is perhaps our oldest and most innate form of divination and is something that holds deep potential for understanding ourselves in the family of things

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Jessica’s Website: www.thecottagemystic.com

• Instagram: @thecottagemysticwitch

• Jessica’s Author Page: https://www.collectiveinkbooks.com/moon-books/authors/jessica-howard

   

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This week’s show is with Rob Wildwood. Rob Wildwood is an author, a photographer, a tour guide and a folklore researcher from the North of England.

Rob Wildwood was born in a seaside town in Yorkshire and spent his childhood exploring the local countryside and the myths and folklore of the North York Moors. He was introduced to Norse shamanism in his early twenties and had a keen interest in history, particularly the history of Britain’s pagan past. He spent many years taking part in Viking festivals all over Europe and spent some years living in Scandinavia where he expanded his online business called ‘The Jelling Dragon’ which sells hand-crafted reproductions of Viking artefacts.

He was fascinated by the animist beliefs of primitive cultures, which see everything in nature as being imbued with spirit. This led Rob to travel the world experiencing indigenous cultures, including spending time with the Kalahari Bushmen, the nomadic Penan of Borneo and the forest Naikas of India.

These travels revived his interest in shamanism and he eventually returned to England to study core shamanism in Glastonbury. While there he also became involved in the faery scene where people dressed as magical beings and even practiced a form of pagan faery spirituality. This marked the beginning of another long adventure where he sought out and photographed magical places all over Britain, tuning into the energies of these places and receiving channelled messages using shamanic journeying techniques. This led directly to the publication of his first book ‘Magical Places of Britain’ which is a richly illustrated photographic guide to the folklore of these sites. His spiritual adventures and visionary experiences while visiting these sites have now finally been collated into this book you are holding, ‘The Land of the Fae’.

Rob has subsequently visited many more sacred sites and magical places, both in Britain and while travelling extensively around the world, including sites in Ireland, Scandinavia, North America, Hawaii, New Zealand, Indonesia, India and eventually Australia, where he spent several seasons studying Aboriginal culture and exploring the dreamtime legends of the sacred landscape there. These experiences led to the publication of his book ‘Primal Awareness’ which seeks to answer the question: “Why did mankind become so separated from nature and world of spirit?” The book also offers exercises that seek to redress this imbalance.

Rob also became interested in dowsing, ley lines and earth energies, and has followed ley lines extensively across Britain and Europe. He eventually settled down in Glastonbury, Somerset where he still lives and is self-employed as an author, photographer and tour guide.

In this conversation, Rob and Lian explored the magical history of Britain, how we can reconnect to this land and its spirits, and reclaim the magical, mythical worldview that’s our human birthright.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• The folklore and tales of the land can act like maps showing us the magical places and beings that inhabit those places that are waiting for us to re-discover them

• To commune with the spirits of the land, we need to create the right conditions to open to them - whether that’s a shamanic journey, following the breath or entering trance in some other way.

• Rob has seen that the beings of the land want to be recognised and honoured again - we can give them that with our attention and offerings

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• For more information about Rob, visit his website and Facebook page:

  • Website: themagicalplaces.com

  • Facebook: Rob Wildwood's Magical Places

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All The Everything is Lian’s monthly solo show where she often shares what she’s been creating, consuming, and celebrating before diving deep into a topic inspired or chosen by members of The Wolf Pack.

The LIVE making of the show is recorded in our Facebook group and for the first 30mins before Lian hits the record button you are invited to a pre-show party to get up close and personal with Lian and have your questions on the month’s topic answered.

To receive a reminder of when the pre-show party and LIVE making of All The Everything is happening, make sure you’re subscribed to our email list and are a member of the Facebook group. All the details you need are HERE!

In this episode, Lian dived deep into the topic ‘Who is the Wounded Healer?’, answering questions and sharing the experiences of group members. She covered:

• Who is the Wounded Healer? This could be anyone in the work of making well and whole, chances are you don’t call yourself a healer (I didn’t for a long time), you might call yourself a coach, guide or some kind of teacher, leader or practitioner

• How to illuminate your core wound

• The importance of your wound in your work (and what happens when we bypass or deny the wound as many innocently do, especially in spiritual circles)

• How to alchemise your wound into medicine - ie how you can heal the wound and serve others most deeply from it

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• To see your Chiron placement, look at the sign (e.g. Pisces), the House (e.g. 7th House), and aspects such as conjunctions and oppositions, especially with your Sun

• Listen to podcast: The Shadow Pole: Do you know when your actions are still coming from fear?

• Read blogs related to Wounded Healer below:

  • Are you a wounded healer? ♐️

  • Happened 💫

• Join Wild Wednesday if you haven’t already: wakingthewild.com/wildwednesday

• Share in the group what showed up for you listening to this show, including any questions: fb.com/groups/wakingthewild

• If you want to go deeper then take a look at Medicine

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This week’s show is with Maggy Whitehouse. Maggy Whitehouse is an independent sacramental minister, a lifetime student of Judaeo-Christian mysticism, the author of 20 books on spirituality, mysticism and Bible metaphysics and started out as a stand-up comedian at the age of 56.

She was a finalist in the 2015 UK Funny Women Awards. Maggy has worked in newspapers, radio, TV, for the BBC’s famed World Service and, most recently, was Sunday morning faith presenter for BBC Radio Devon. She made it on to Wikipedia after writing a sensible book about Opus Dei at the time of all the palaver over The Da Vinci Code.

She has been widowed, divorced, healed from cancer, worked as a hospice chaplain, ridden on a Bengal tiger and survived a barracuda attack off the Barrier Reef.

Both Maggy’s mother and her Bishop think she should get a proper job.

In this show, Lian and Maggy explored the importance of our relationship to God for those of us in the work of serving as healers (whether or not we call ourselves that) - how we as wounded healers need to go to the source of the wound we have about God in order to heal it, the different ways this wounding shows up, and that can be revealed in what we will and won’t call God (which informed the very naming of this show!).

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation…  please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Maggy’s story of her late husband and how it wounded her was such a clear example of how we can experience disconnection from God, not everyone’s story will be as obvious as this but it doesn’t mean the wound isn’t there

• Becoming aware of how we perceive we are being punished or abandoned by God, and understanding that it isn’t what’s truly happening, means we can begin to heal our relationship

• What are the words for God that you feel uncomfortable with or feel a strong negative reaction to? You can use this as an enquiry into where the wound might be.

Resources and stuff that we spoke about

• Maggy’s Website that you can check out:

  • maggywhitehouse.com

  • treeofsapphires.com

• Listen to Maggy’s podcast: Train Wrecks for Jesus. Introducing Mark and Maggy

• The Chapel of Liberation meditation that Maggy offered: here’s a link to her podcast in which she shares it

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This week's show is with Chris Park. Chris Park is a founding member of the Beekeeping History Trust, a skep beekeeper, skep-maker, apitherapy student and a practicing Druid.

Chris lives on an organic farm in the Vale of the White Horse, Oxfordshire, U.K. His work is wide and varied, from arts and crafts, ancient technologies, experimental archaeology and educational projects to eco-building, storytelling, folk music, mental health, apitherapy, and raising the awareness of the heritage of beekeeping. He is a practicing Druid of the Order of Bards, Ovates & Druids, being immersed and versed in the folklore and spiritual traditions rooted within the honeyed isles of Britain & Europe.

In this conversation, Chris and I explored the old Irish triad of hearth as altar, work as worship, and service as sacrament, what each of them means to us both, and the invitation this triad provides to anyone, but perhaps especially those of us who are consciously working in some way in service to spirit.

We’d love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below or share in our fb group.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Hearth as altar: How can you pay attention, bring reverence, and allow your home to chart your relationship to spirit?

• Work as worship: Is your work worship? Is the way you be in your work worshipful?

• Service as sacrament: How are you of service in the wider world - to your land, your community of all beings - human and otherwise, the earth? How is your service an offering and receiving of divine grace?

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• Chris’ Websites:

  • LIVING BEEING

  • Acorn Education

  • druidry.org

  • Bees for Development

• Follow Chris in Social Media

  • Instagram: @chrischarlespark

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This week's show is with David Richo, Ph.D. David Richo, Ph.D. is a psychotherapist, a writer, and a popular workshop leader on personal and spiritual growth.

He shares his time between Santa Barbara and San Francisco, California. He combines psychological and spiritual perspectives in his work. His recent books are “Ready: How to Know when to Go and when to Stay” (Shambhala, 2022) and “To Thine Own Self Be True: Shakespeare as Therapist and Spiritual Guide” (Paulist Press, 2023).

He received his BA in psychology from Saint John's Seminary in Brighton, Massachusetts in 1962, his MA in counseling psychology from Fairfield University in 1969, and his PhD in clinical psychology from Sierra University in 1984. Since 1976, Richo has been a licensed marriage, family, and child counselor in California. He teaches courses at Santa Barbara City College and the University of California Berkeley at Berkeley and has taught at the Esalen Institute, Pacifica Graduate Institute, and Santa Barbara Graduate Institute. He is a clinical supervisor for the Community Counseling Center in Santa Barbara, California.

Richo is known for incorporating Buddhism, poetry, and Jungian perspectives in his work. He authored the books "How to Be an Adult in Relationships: The Five Keys to Mindful Loving," "The Five Things We Cannot Change: And the Happiness We Find in Embracing Them," "When the Past Is Present: Healing the Emotional Wounds that Sabotage our Relationships," "Shadow Dance: Liberating the Power and Creativity of Your Dark Side," "The Power of Coincidence: How Life Shows Us What We Need to Know," and "Being True to Life: Poetic Paths to Personal Growth."

In this conversation, David and I explored knowing when we or our clients are ready to choose to make big changes, the mysterious nature of the right timing, and the role of grace.

We’d love to know what YOU think about this week's show. Let’s carry on the conversation… please leave a comment below or share in our fb group.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• There’s a point at which we know when we’re ready to make a change, this isn’t something that is logical or external - learning to honour that as both individuals and change workers is vital

• When we attempt to apply broad brush strokes, cultural norms or formulas to ourselves or our clients, we miss the unique nature of each person and the timing that is right

• I love how David spoke about the role of grace providing synchronicities and insights… there’s something greater at play than our ego when it comes to change, and actually life as a whole - we are not in control

• The presence of Grace

David Richo and Lian with their respective statues of Our Lady of Guadlupe, mentioned in the show

Resources and stuff that we spoke about:

• For David’s books, talks, and events visit his website: https://davericho.com/

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This week’s show is with Wendy Dooner. Wendy Dooner is a Medical Herbalist and Shamanic Practitioner from Scotland who is passionate about reconnecting women with the innate healing wisdom of nature and their bodies.

Wendy graduated from university in 2005 with a Bachelor of Science (honours) degree in Herbal Medicine (Phytotherapy) and, more recently, a 3-year advanced Shamanic Practitioner course. Weaving back together the threads of science, magic and spirituality in herbal medicine has been a major focus of her practice recently and is a cornerstone of her teachings; she now practices what she has called Shamanic Herbalism. Through her online courses, workshops, or one-on-one consultations, Wendy ensures that this wonderful blend of ancient wisdom and modern science reaches all her students.

At the heart of Wendy's practice is her profound connection with her native medicinal plants. She believes that these plants hold the answers to many of our modern ailments.

In her practice, Wendy doesn't just prescribe herbs; she introduces her clients to a world where plants are people; they are teachers, guides, allies and elders. She believes that every plant has a story to tell and a lesson to impart, and it's her mission to facilitate these transformative conversations between nature and the individual.

She lives happily in a small community in the foothills of the Cairngorms in Scotland with her husband and 2 young sons, where she forages in the wilds of the moorlands, grows herbs in her messy garden and skateboards at every spare opportunity.

In this show, Lian and Wendy explored how we as healers and guides serving others can connect with and work with the healing spirits of the plants in our local land, the life-changing impact that’s had on us both, reciprocity and permission, and how plants can show us the maps of life and the way back to ourselves.

I’d love to know what YOU think about this week’s show. Let’s carry on the conversation…  please leave a comment below.

What you’ll learn from this episode:

• Wendy’s story of beginning with a scientific, materialist approach to healing before then being called into a deeper spiritual connection is an arc that so many of us seem to be called to as healers and guides

• When we pay attention, the plant of our land are communicating with us constantly, they can teach us deep truths about the universe (such as Wendy’s experience with the hawthorn giving her an embodied teaching about death and rebirth) or show us important breadcrumbs on our path (as the oak did for me, propelling me onto the shamanic path)

• Creating a true relationship between humans and other beings and spirits based on respect and reciprocity is vital - making offerings, asking permission, and asking what plants are beautiful ways to begin this kind of relationship

Resources and stuff that we spoke about

• Visit Wendy’s Website:

  • wendydooner.com

  • The Center for Shamanism: Shamanic Herbal 1:1 with Wendy

• Follow The Center of Shamanism in Social Media:

  • Facebook: Wendy Dooner

  • Instagram: @wendy.shamanicherbalist

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Lian and Jonathan