The Worm Hole Podcast

Charlie and Kristy Woodson Harvey (The Summer Of Songbirds) discuss whether we should like her character, Lanier (who stops her best friend and brother being together); the various plot threads she left out of the book (including alternative endings); and US summer camps (both Kristy's experiences, and the effect of the pandemic lockdowns). We also spend a good amount of time discussing the pre-actor's-strike announcement of an adaptation of Kristy's Peachtree Bluff series and her next two books.

Kristy's The Wedding Veil
Kristy's Christmas In Peachtree Bluff
Friends & Fiction
Kristy's interview with Susan M Boyer
The announcement about the Peachtree Bluff adaptation on Kristy's website

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Discussions

02:14 The inspiration: a sailing trip at a summer camp Kristy went to with her family during the pandemic
06:49 So Lanier and Rich came first?...
08:02 How Kristy doesn't write in chronological order and how it ends up working well
12:01 How Kristy feels about Lanier
15:35 Why was important to write about Daphne's family and the problems there are there?
19:21 Why no narrator for Mary Stuart?
25:39 This book was originally longer (what got cut)
29:24 Kristy's childhood experiences of US summer camps
33:52 Why Kristy ends her book with a scene about Daphne, Lanier, and Mary Stuart's children going to camp
34:51 Real camps that had to close due to the lockdowns
36:24 The concept of 'hard things'
40:27 Other endings Kristy had in mind for The Summer Of Songbirds
44:43 A sequel?
48:18 The on-hold Peachtree Bluff adaptation
52:16 What's next (A Happier Life, and and very, very brief peak at Kristy's 2025 book)

Charlie and Maggie Brookes (Acts Of Love And War) discuss the small group of British Quakers who went to aid refugees during the Spanish Civil War, the way the war tore families apart as people chose different sides, and why she ended her romantic thread differently than might be expected.

All referenced media in this episode:
Francesca Wilson's In The Margins Of Chaos
Maggie Brookes' Acts Of Love And War
Maggie Brookes' The Prisoner's Wife

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Discussions

01:53 The initial inspiration: Professor Farah Mendlesohn's PhD on the Spanish Civil War
03:39 The very small group of Quakers, including Alfred Jacob, who went out to Spain from Britain to help refugees
07:02 The real life women in Maggie's book: Francesca Wilson, Kanty Cooper
09:30 How the Quakers got their supplies to Spain, and the refugee children's colonies
15:03 What happened to the refugees after the war
18:26 Maggie's fictional characters - Lucy, Tom, and Jamie and having two brothers on different sides of the war
22:20 People in Britain who thought Franco was right, and why they thought that, and we mention the non-intervention pact many countries agreed to
27:27 On why Maggie had one of the brothers die, and who was better for Lucy
29:59 The ending, Maggie leaving Lucy single
32:00 Maggie tells us about the inspiration of her first book, The Prisoner's Wife, and Maggie briefs us on what she's writing now

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Charlie and Stacey Thomas (The Revels) discuss English Civil War era witch hunting which includes the methods, the propaganda, and the awful theatre of it all. We also discuss Stacey's inclusion of actual witches in her narrative, and Stacey's recommendations of Wolf Hall and A Little Life.

Witchfinder General
James VI/I's Daemonologie
Hilary Mantel's Wolf Hall
Hanya Yanagihara's A Little Life
Bridget Collins' The Binding
Stacey's episode on Witches Of Scotland
I spoke to Amita Parikh in episode 72

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Discussions

01:20 What made you want to tell this story of a man who is a witch, and his role in the judgement of witches?
02:23 Stacey's interest in James I and his favouritism of different male courtiers
04:22 The theatrical elements of the book
05:58 The torture of the accused 'witches' that led to fantasy stories being created
08:51 The influence of the printing press and propaganda pamphlets on the public's thoughts about accused women
10:02 About knot magic
12:09 The importance of having actual witches in the book and the impact of religion
14:32 Stacey's interest in taxidermy and Althamia's experience
16:41 Althamia's impact on the novel
17:54 The themes of grief and guilt in the book
20:51 Castor and Pollux
22:20 The writing style and narrative voice, and Stacey recommends Wolf Hall and A Little Life
25:24 All about Will and how he fits into the story
30:44 Is John Rush a witch?... And the fact he's left at large at the end
34:40 The initial execution scene did not originally happen...
35:57 Althamia says "Happy endings are beyond most people" and talks of proper endings - how does Stacey see The Revels in that sense?
39:15 Modern day apologies for witch hunters by the church
42:02 What Stacey's working on now (this turns into a lengthy discussion on debutantes and their publicity machines

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Charlie and Celina Baljeet Basra (Happy) discuss the experiences undocumented migrants to Western Europe face, French film director Jean Luc Goddard's seminal film Bande À Part, Indian talkshow Koffee With Karan, and Celina's particular usage of Umbrella, ella, ella, eh, eh, eh.

The Abduction Of Europe
A review of 'Park', the 2017 exhibition curated by Celina
Bande À Part
Bruce Bégout's Le Park
Uski Roti
There are no clips of the discussed Koffee With Karan episode on YouTube, but if you've the right channel, it is from 7th November 2010

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Discussions

01:48 Why Celina wanted to tell this story: inspiration from a distant relatives' migration from India to Italy
05:24 Celina's highly unique narrative structure (fragmented) and how she used it to further achieve her aims
09:45 Would there have been a way for Happy's life to improve, if what happened to him at the end didn't happen?
12:07 The real riot of exploited migrants that was mentioned in the book
14:36 The character of Europe and the way Celina created a woman from a continent
19:32 The importance of the presence of Happy's family in the novel
21:20 The phrases of Italian vocabulary included that shows us where Happy is in his learning about his new life
24:35 Wonderland - the real one in Jalandhar and Celina's fictionisation of it
28:53 The inclusion of Jean Luc Goddard's Bande À Part
34:35 The inclusion of Indian talkshow Koffee With Karan
40:22 Why Celina included the other narrative voices of Harbir and Zhivago at the end
43:37 What's next

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Charlie and Rachel Abbott (Don't Look Away) discuss young carers and the guilt they can feel, trafficking in Cornwall - both fact and fiction - and having her series' policewoman staying in the background of the story rather than take the spotlight. (We talk about that a couple of times, I loved it!)

Please note that there are mentions of suicide in this episode.

And So It Begins
Stranger Child
Come A Little Closer
Sleep Tight
About the trafficking at Newlyn Harbour in late 2019

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Discussions

01:40 The inspiration for Nancy and Lola's story
03:15 Nancy's feeling of guilt as a young carer who failed to save her mother
06:23 The way Rachel really fleshes out the non-police characters in her thriller
11:05 How long Lola will be in prison
13:48 Research Rachel does in terms of the police
16:55 How important is policewomen Stephanie (the linking factor of the books) compared to Nancy (one of this book's victims)?
20:18 Stephanie is written in the third person and Nancy is in the first person...
22:20 Why set the book in Cornwall, and why create a fictional village in Cornwall
25:36 The trafficking in the book and real situations
29:34 How Rachel goes from one plot to many - the expansion
33:15 How Rachel uses technology in her books as opposed to finding tech makes things too easy
35:03 What's next for Stephanie King, book 4 in the series?
41:26 Was there anyone that Rachel's editing agent didn't like, or did really like?
43:26 Rachel's current work on her next Tom Douglas book

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Charlie and Karen Hamilton (The Contest) discuss the specifics of climbing Mount Kilimanjaro and the vast support crews, her ridiculously privileged holidaying characters and where their requests are based in reality, and why everyone is obsessed with toilets. We then move on to an extensive discussion of the thriller aspect of Karen's book and whether, even though there is one killer in her book, there are in fact more.

Erick Kivelege's Climbing Kilimanjaro With Africa's Top Guide
Kilimanjaro Porters Society

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Discussions

01:14 Mt Kilimanjaro and luxury travel
05:26 How climbing the mountain goes - the specifics of it
15:30 Karen's characters - Florence, Jacob, and Hugo
24:55 The grief in the book and the whole contest of two groups climbing Kilimanjaro
26:54 The violence and discussing who the killer is, and the associated theme of isolation
36:31 Ethical Getaways and BVT merging and the effect on Florence and Jacob
39:34 What's next (brief)

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Charlie and Radhika Sanghani (I Wish We Weren't Related) discuss having alopecia, healing from being a people pleaser and self-empowerment in general, and her comic novel which includes an ex-fiance turned future brother-in-law, and a father who died, was not dead, but then died - true fictional story. Radhika's book also includes beloved cats, so we talk about cats too.

Asha Bhosle
Pema Chödrön
Marian Williamson talking about choosing between love and fear
Radhika's novel 30 Things I Love About Myself

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Discussions

01:35 The inspiration, in particular the theme of healing from alopecia
04:39 The characters, in particular Saraswati in Bollywood
08:14 Satya Auntie, and spirituality, in particular Buddhism and what Marian Williamson teaches about all our decisions being due to love and fear
12:37 On character Reeva's people pleasing and our own!
15:27 Reeva's trauma from her accident
17:36 Reeva's speech at her father's funeral
19:21 The choices made in regards to Reeva and Nick's relationship
21:34 The importance of including a second funeral, this time for someone Reeva knew and loved
22:55 Cats! All the cats!
25:52 What Radhika wanted to say about family
27:14 What's next

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Charlie and Gill Paul (A Beautiful Rival) discuss the working lives of and rivalry between businesswomen Elizabeth Arden and Helena Rubinstein, and the antisemitism in the US during WW2. We also discuss our views of Wallis Simpson.

We spoke about Gill's book The Second Marriage (Jackie And Maria in the US) in episode 42
The Powder And The Glory
Lindy Woodhead's Warpaint
Cosmetics And Skin
Gill's Another Woman's Husband
Wendy Holden's The Duchess

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Discussions

01:03 Why these women?
02:20 Elizabeth Arden and Helena Rubinstein hated each other but they never met...
02:59 Elizabeth's and Helena's backgrounds
07:28 The work Arden and Rubinstein put in to become successful
10:30 How Gill wrote her versions of Elizabeth and Helena
11:29 Elizabeth Arden's snobbery
13:46 The antisemitism in the West despite those countries going to war, particularly that coming from Arden
17:49 Irene Delaney, Elizabeth's forgotten 40-year-long PA
20:34 Moving factual events round to suit the narrative
22:24 Elizabeth employed her rival's ex-husband!
24:14 Advertisements and selling the companies
28:03 Helena Rubinstein's first husband was the publisher of Lady Chatterley's Lover
29:40 Rubinstein created the idea of skin types
32:39 The Suffragettes apparently wore lipstick on their marches, and talking about Gill's next book
34:53 What other people might Gill write about in future
36:33 Discussing our views of Wallis Simpson

Charlie and Tasneem Abdur-Rashid (Finding Mr Perfectly Fine) discuss writing a story that hadn't yet been told in novels and working with getting the balance and choices right when it came to writing for Bengali Muslims, Muslims from other cultures, and other readers. We also discuss the guys she cut from the first draft, why she decided to finish her rom-com on the somewhat controversial note she did, oh and if you're looking for a great Turkish restaurant in North London, we've got you covered.

Please note that there is swearing and discussion of rape in this episode.

Not Another Mum Pod ('Was My Husband Gay?' is episode 6)
Tasneem's 'he's a 10 but...' TikTok video
Capital Restaurant, Wood Green
Hala, Green Lanes
Gokyuzu
Antepliler
Tasneem's Instagram

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Discussions

01:44 The inspiration for Finding Mr Perfectly Fine
04:33 About Zara, Adam, and Hamza
08:48 How Tasneem wrote and planned the book, and balancing the different audiences she was writing for
13:30 Wherein Tasneem's dad bought her a computer for writing on when she was 10 years old
17:17 Deleted sections of the book - Zara met a lot more people!
20:16 Writing from a specific Muslim perspective (British Bengali) and pushback; also the Sylheti dialect
24:12 On the part where Yasmin wears hijab to cover her beauty when chaperoning Zara on a meet up
27:04 Hamza and Zara's lack of thinking about how controlling he is whereas others can see it
31:47 The Tariq plotline and backstory
33:26 Adam and Zara's mismatched values and working them out, Hamza, and the decisions Tasneem made for the ending
42:02 What happens beyond the ending pages
43:17 The possibility of a book about Amina
44:03 Further info about Tasneem's next book
47:31 On North London Turkish restaurants
49:47 On Tasneem's podcast, Not Another Mum Pod

Charlie Place and Amanda Geard (The Moon Gate) discuss Tasmania in WW2 and in general, Australia's famed poet Banjo Paterson and his fellow Bush Ballad writers, British Blackshirts and the Mitfords, and the Moorgate Tube Crash in London. On a lighter note, Amanda also tells us much about the writing of her book, including a lot of what she left out in order to reduce her book from the lengthy draft it was to the mere 500 hardback pages it is.

Amanda was the guest in episode 63 in which we spoke about The Midnight House
Waltzing Matilda
The Man From Snowy River
The Mitfords - Letters Between Six Sisters
The Moorgate Tube Crash
I spoke to Kate Thompson about the Bethnal Green Tube Disaster in episode 76
Penghana

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Discussions

01:50 The inspiration - Banjo Paterson's Bush ballads and mining in Tasmania
03:17 Keeping up with all the characters and planning the timelines
08:43 How there is so much of Amanda in this book
10:51 Mining on the West Coast of Tasmania, and Amanda's dad
13:41 Banjo Paterson and Australian poetry
17:49 Tasmania in WW2, including Prime Minister Robert Menzies
26:01 Women Blackshirts in Britain (including Diana Mitford) and the awfulness of Edeline
30:47 The Moon Gate's lengthy first draft
33:12 Moon Gates and rebirth
35:45 The focus on grief
37:23 Including the Moorgate Tube Crash
40:44 Amanda's Balinn returns!
42:45 The epilogue and what was left out
44:45 Rose and what might have been
47:20 The House of the book, Towerhurst and Australia's Federation houses, and huon pine trees
52:46 What Amanda found when renovating an old Irish house
55:07 More on Amanda's current manuscript, a story looking at occupied Norway

Charlie and Alex Hay (The Housekeepers) discuss his meticulously planned and fast-paced 1900s heist novel wherein the entire contents of a grand house are to be removed... and the mistress of the place is in on it. Alex tells us about the successful collaboration between himself and his three editors and we discuss the various comedy aspects of the book.

Sadie Jones' The Uninvited Guests
Julia Laite's The Disappearance Of Lydia Harvey
Alex's conversation with Sarah Penner for Always Authors

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Discussions

01:25 The inspiration for The Housekeepers
06:14 Alex's extensive planning of the book and some of the changes made
10:01 Mrs Bone, Danny/Mr de Vries, and the O'Flynn family
12:54 The many narratives and including Miss de Vries in her own narrative as an 'equal'
17:20 The comedy!
21:33 The trafficking plot line
24:37 On Alice and keeping secrets
27:23 Working with three editors
31:22 Was there ever another ending in mind?
33:37 The 'What-choo' boy
34:59 Jane One and Jane Two
36:59 The reality of the smoking machine
38:11 The possibility of an adaptation
38:50 What's next?

Charlie and Paula Cocozza (Speak To Me) discuss how phones have taken the place of conversation, a number of literary Susans, and Paula tells us about her love of reading and libraries in childhood.

The Guardian's story on Kirstie Allsopp smashing her daughter's IPad
Susan Cain's Quiet
Suze Rotolo's A Freewheelin' Time
I am (happy?) to say that Susan the dog is no longer the first Susan mentioned on pages about 'Susan' on Wikipedia
Hanif Kureshi's Intimacy (beware NSFW cover)
The Reading Agency
Paula's column, A New Start After 60

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Discussions

01:08 The inspiration and our modern phone usage
09:01 The hows of how Paula wrote the book
16:12 On the narrator's reliability
19:43 All the Susans in this book!
22:21 The Victorian terrace house, our main character's former home
24:22 Anthony
27:51 So Paula wrote some of the book with pen and paper...
29:40 The use of Shakespeare's Malvolio
31:30 Our narrator's dealings with Anthony and Kurt later in the book, and miscommunication
36:32 Our narrator's relationship with her sons
38:55 Why our narrator is a librarian - Paula's reading journey
43:40 What's next
45:39 On Paula's current feature series for The Guardian, A New Start After 60

Charlie and Nicolai Houm (The Gradual Disappearance Of Jane Ashland) discuss a unique and somewhat extreme form of coping with grief, where his characterisation blends into his own writer self, and the open ending he left his readers with.

Please note that there's some swearing and mentions of suicide in this episode.

Wikipedia's article on Andersonville Prison

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Discussions

01:20 The starting point of loss and trauma
07:32 Jane, family, and replacing family
12:59 Jane as a writer and how she could have written the book herself
15:35 Nicolai's use of language and how his writer self is included in the book
20:51 Everything about Ulf
24:05 The significance of the musk oxen
28:14 Continuing on the musk oxen in regards to the ending of the book
31:48 How Jane's parents affected who she is
33:03 Nicolai's travels for surfing reasons and what's next

Charlie and Elissa Soave (Ginger And Me) discuss including the working class in fiction, writing about neuro-divergence without labels, and social care and society in context. We also discuss Elissa's Greggs habit, writing about her hometown, and why her editor told her 'this is not Reservoir Dogs...'

Please note that there is a mild swear word in this episode.

The Primadonna Prize
Laura Pearson's episode was number 11
Kazuo Ishiguru's Nobel Prize speech
Gail Honeyman's Eleanor Oliphant Is Completely Fine

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Discussions

01:27 The starting point for the book and discussing 'difference' of personality and labels
09:36 The people on the bus and exploring the lives of the working class
13:49 Ginger
15:21 Diane
17:13 Friendship and loneliness
20:23 The writing group
24:20 Uddingston
27:44 The importance of food in the novel
29:17 Wendy's parents
32:14 Social care in the book and our society
36:24 Ginger's death
40:56 Wendy not changing at the end (and including Ali Smith!)
43:53 What's next

Charlie and Lisa See (Lady Tan's Circle Of Women) discuss the medieval Chinese woman doctor Tan Yuanxian, whose book is still in use today. We also discuss, in this context, the isolation and disability of being an aristocratic woman in the time period.

Please note that there is swearing in this episode.

Tan Yuan Xian's Miscellaneous Records Of A Female Doctor
Hildegard Von Bingen
The Washing Away Of Wrongs

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Discussions

00:55 About Tan Yuan Xian
06:00 Facts versus fiction, where we don't know all that much about Yuan Xian
11:21 While there were many of them, we don't know much about other women doctors in China at that time...
12:44 The importance of friendship in the novel
17:50 Being born in the year of the (Metal) Snake
22:22 The true story of a midwife who had a miscarriage in front of the empress
26:52 The focus on isolation, and foot binding
34:47 Lady Kuo
41:54 Miss Zhao
44:25 The murder mystery
49:58 The men, and in particular Yuan Xian's grandfather
51:16 What's next

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Charlie and Eleanor Shearer (River Sing Me Home) discuss how slavery didn't really end when it was abolished, and Eleanor's experiences studying the Caribbean during this time and the knowledge she gained. We also explore different versions of freedom, and the way Eleanor's family influenced her writing.

The Windrush Foundation
Samuel Smith's To Shoot Hard Labour
Toni Morrison's Beloved
Marianne Hirsch
V S Naipaul's The Loss Of El Dorado
Wikipedia's extensive article on Black Nova Scotians
Andrea Levy's Small Island

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Discussions

00:47 The 'apprenticeships' that happened after slavery had 'ended'
02:47 About Eleanor's two 'main' inspirations
06:23 On reparations
10:23 Rachel, and Eleanor's family
15:41 The order in which Rachel finds her children
17:53 Nobody
21:21 The children's fathers
23:42 The theme of motherhood
26:36 Eleanor's wanting to use Creole languages but wanting to keep it accessible to non-Creole speakers
28:28 Mary Grace's muteness
31:59 The oral storytelling
34:34 The different versions of freedom
37:30 The theme of water
40:24 The Maroon communities and their movements
42:27 The Rising of Demerara
45:57 Eleanor's use of the search for El Dorado
47:34 What's next?

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Charlie and Jenni Keer (The Legacy Of Halesham Hall) discuss wacky puzzle houses, writing as a reader, the age gap in her book, and Rebecca-like characters who remain alive.

The Winchester Mystery House, California

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Discussions

01:16 The inspiration/reason for the story
03:29 The house... and Clement Bellingham
08:16 The influence of Daphne Du Maurier's Rebecca
13:52 On Phoebe ending up with Sidney, and age gaps
16:45 On what Sidney looks like
18:04 The Bellingham board game company
20:52 Sidney's choices, adolescence, and the etymology of 'teenager'
32:45 Phoebe's gaining of the house
37:43 Not needing to live an 'exciting' life in order to be an author
39:20 What's next?

Charlie and Kate Thompson (The Little Wartime Library) discuss the wartime history and community of East London's Bethnal Green - the Tube station that housed locals during the Blitz, the library that moved down into the tunnels and is now back overground, and the people that made the community what it was. We also discuss wartime reading and the measures put in place to stop women reading escapist fiction.

Please note that there is a moderate swear word in this episode.

Bethnal Green Library
The Stepney Doorstep Society
Bethnal Green Tube Station and history
Pellicci's restaurant
You can find photos of the underground library, tunnels, Kate in the library archives, and the quotes read, in Kate's article for Historia Magazine
Shoes on the Danube Bank memorial in Budapest
The event that Kate references that also led to a crush disaster was The Hillsborough Disaster
Forever Amber
Secrets Of The Singer Girls
The Paris Library
The Last Bookshop in London
The Librarian Of Burned Books

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Discussions

02:02 How Kate found her story
04:36 Mrs Chumbley
06:09 The framing, using the Covid lockdown each end of the story
12:57 Why Kate created fictional narrators
15:55 How the tunnels at Bethnal Green Tube Station came to be used as bomb shelters and what it was all like
21:58 The Bethnal Green Tube Disaster
29:24 The Hughes Mansions bombing
31:09 Discussing Bethnal Green Library
32:28 The attempts to stop women reading whatever they wanted
37:26 Wartime reading: Mein Kampf and Forever Amber
40:54 Kate's writing and language
43:06 What's next?
47:05 Bethnal Green Library today
48:44 Kate's forthcoming podcast

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Charlie and Ronali Collings (Love & Other Dramas) discuss her relationship with her mother and where that influences her novel, racist comments and decisions in the workplace, and her experiences of female friendships during her IVF journey. We begin with her studies for a Masters - her supervisor was Bernardine Evaristo.

The Madeline Milburn Mentorship Programme
Ronali's interview on The Two Of Us
Ronali's episode on Chloe Timms' Confessions Of A Debut Novelist

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Discussions

01:19 On Ronali's MA for which she was supervised by Bernadine Evaristo
06:18 On the inspirations and reasons for writing Love & Other Dramas
13:10 The characters
20:11 Stephen!
22:55 The importance of Tanya remaining single at the end
27:06 Ronali's relationship with her mother and the influence on Helen and Tanya
33:46 Catholicism in Ronali's life and in the book
39:11 The micro-aggressions related to racism
43:06 Priya and Bianca's relationship
46:16 Discussing female friendships - Ronali discusses the absence of them in parts of her life and we then go on to discuss friendship in the context of her IVF treatments
56:38 What's next?

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Charlie and Kristina McMorris (Sold On A Monday; The Ways We Hide) discuss the harrowing photographs of children that inspired her last two novels, why she chose to focus - in the first book - on the news reporters rather than the children, and changing the fictional outcome of the stories.

The photograph of the children for sale and an article with the basics
Kristina's Facebook post about her and RaeAnn's appearance on NPR
Interview with RaeAnn for North West Indiana Times
Interview with David McDaniel
Christina Baker Kline's Orphan Train
The first sentence on Sold On A Monday ended up being: 'Outside the guarded entrance, reporters circled like a pack of wolves.'
(The photograph that inspired The Ways We Hide is a photograph of some of the children who died in the Italian Hall Disaster and shows them laid out after death.)
"How Monopoly Helped The Allies Win WW2" article
The videos of the various MI9 tools are listed on Kristina's website

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Discussions

01:21 Tell us about the photograph Sold On A Monday was inspired by
06:09 Changing the outcome for the fictional children
07:40 The book's focus on the reporters rather than the children
11:11 How Kristina's experience in media informed her writing
13:41 About the original title
17:55 The reliability of the characters
19:10 Ellis and Lily
22:33 Theme of family and motherhood
23:45 The photograph that inspired The Ways We Hide
27:17Fenna!
28:25 The four books Kristina is currently working on
32:29 Kristina introduces the extra content on her website