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    Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

    Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy. 

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    Appellate Attorney M.C. Sungaila on Space Cultural Heritage Preservation and Lessons to be drawn from Holocaust-Era Restitution Cases like Cassirer

    Appellate Attorney M.C. Sungaila on Space Cultural Heritage Preservation and Lessons to be drawn from Holocaust-Era Restitution Cases like Cassirer

    Show Notes:
    0:00 M.C. Sungaila discussing history / preservation of space exploration
    1:50 Sungaila’s Portia Project Podcast interview with Space Law Expert Michelle Hanlon
    2:45 Sungaila’s experience with University of Mississippi School of Law’s Air and Space Program
    5:30 unclear language related to space law
    8:00 mining on the moon
    9:40 lessons from Holocaust-era restitution cases like Cassirer v. Thyssen-Bornemisza Collection Foundation
    12:30 For All Moonkind
    13:30 International Symposium on Cultural Heritage in War and Peace: Tangible and Intangible Cultural Heritage through Past, Present and Future
    16:45 Sungaila’s proposed framework to create space cultural heritage commission
    22:45 The Artemis Accords
    24:50 Italian Opera added to UNESCO intangible cultural heritage list
    25:15 treaty requiring registration of space objects
    25:35 For All Moonkind’s moon registry
    26:10 One Small Step To Protect Human Heritage in Space Act
    27:40 Sungaila’s projection
    29:30 Dubai space court
    31:25 urgency of space cultural heritage preservation
    32:40 definition of justice
    35:40 9th Cir's 9 Jan 2024 opinion in Cassirer and the question of ethics and law
    39:45 Mismatch between domestic law and international obligations
    42:10 Institute on Space Law and Ethics
    44:00 issues related to satellites, drones, air taxis

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    Music by Toulme.

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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Attorney Sanjay Sethi Discusses Artistic Freedom Initiative's Work, Oppression of the Arts and Cultural Sectors Globally & the Need for Pluralistic Discourse

    Attorney Sanjay Sethi Discusses Artistic Freedom Initiative's Work, Oppression of the Arts and Cultural Sectors Globally & the Need for Pluralistic Discourse

    Cover image by Nosrat Tarighi of Sanjay Sethi at an AFI event entitled Revolutions and Movements

    To learn more, please visit the sites for Artistic Freedom Initiative and Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC.

    Show Notes:

    2:00 overview of Sethi’s background and work as Founding Partner of Sethi & Mazaheri, LLC and Co-Executive Director of Artistic Freedom Initiative (AFI)
    3:45 genesis and mission of AFI
    5:00 AFI’s services
    8:00 AFI’s residency program
    9:00 AFI’s Artists for Social Change
    9:45 challenges to helping artists
    13:00 AFI’s creation of a sponsorship model
    13:30 AFI’s program in Germany
    15:00 determination of artists in imminent danger
    16:20 assistance for female artists
    18:20 university placements for female artists
    18:40 the New School’s fellowships for Afghan artists at risk
    19:00 Germany’s program for artists at risk
    21:00 Journals of Exile at the Berliner Ensemble
    22:10 programs through AFI’s Artists For Social Change
    23:45 Brazilian Singer Songwriter Bia Ferreira
    25:20 AFI’s Afghan Artists Protection Project & Iranian Artists Support Project
    27:00 challenges of single intent visas like student visas and O-1 visas
    28:30 denial of entry based on immigration intent for Afghan versus Iranian artists 
    30:00 applications from Myanmar, Egypt, Nicaragua, India and particular Kashmir
    31:00 impact of prior and upcoming elections 
    31:30 Poland shifted back to center left with loss of Law and Justice (PiS) party
    31:50 Slovakia’s election of Robert Fico with agenda similar to Hungary’s Viktor Orbán
    32:00 Slovenia’s election of liberal Robert Golob
    32:10 Brazil’s election of leftist former president, defeating Pres. Jair Bolsonaro
    32:15 Indian PM Narendra Modi’s Hindu Nationalist Party projected to win 
    32:30 elections in Italy and the Netherlands
    32:45 new and different threats to cultural sectors globally
    33:00 AfI’s Artistic Freedom Monitor - initial reports on Poland and Hungary
    36:00 regimes replaced museum/cultural institution heads with right wing politicians
    36:00 Curation of shows under those regimes would conform to nationalist ideals
    37:25  defunding anti-regime institutions or anti-Catholic in Poland 
    37:50 intimidation of non-conforming artists
    38:10 Poland’s use of blasphemy law to criminally charge non-conforming artists
    38:00 chilling effect of such subversive mechanisms 
    39:15 AFI’s position that arts decisions should be merits-based and non-ideological   
    39:30 response to Artistic Freedom Monitor’s reports
    40:00 erroneous belief that arts are inconsequential in public & political dialogue 
    41:35 elevation of AFI’s advocacy efforts to an international forum 
    44:00 collaboration to lobby for artistic and creative freedom
    45:00 impact of artificial intelligence 
    47:50 legacy of his work
    49:50 how his notion of justice has evolved


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    Music by Toulme.

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    Thanks so much for listening!

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Dr. Elizabeth White and Dr. Joanna Sliwa discuss their book, The Counterfeit Countess: the Jewish Woman Who Rescued Thousands of Poles During the Holocaust

    Dr. Elizabeth White and Dr. Joanna Sliwa discuss their book, The Counterfeit Countess: the Jewish Woman Who Rescued Thousands of Poles During the Holocaust

    Show Notes:
    2:00 Dr. Joanna Sliwa’s background
    4:20 Dr. Elizabeth White’s background 
    5:20 Majdanek concentration camp
    8:00 1989 - White received the manuscript of Dr. Janina Mehlberg’s unpublished memoir from Dr. Arthur Funk
    10:30 Dr. Janina Mehlberg’s humanitarian work in Polish concentration camp during WWII
    12:20 Mehlberg’s alias as Countess Suchodolska
    13:30 2018 - Dr. Joanna Sliwa began work with Dr. White to research Mehlberg's memoir
    15:00 reading from The Counterfeit Countess
    20:00 balance of co-authoring The Counterfeit Countess
    22:20 research process
    24:00 surprises from the research 
    27:45 Countess Karolina Lanckorońska
    30:30 Saturnina Malm
    33:30 Dr. Stefania Perzanowska 
    35:00 view of women’s roles during war and instances of persecution 
    38:00 empathic approach of Mehlberg as a model for today
    42:00 propoganda
    46:00 individual ways to address hate
    49:00 justice
    51:45 legacy
    54:30 Sliwa’s focus on marginalized groups, including future volume on experiences of older jews before, during and after the Holocaust  

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    Music by Toulme.

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    Thanks so much for listening!

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Researcher Chiara Gallo on Influencer Advertising & Art - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    Researcher Chiara Gallo on Influencer Advertising & Art - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    Show Notes:

    1:00 overview of thesis topic
    3:00 2018 music video at the Louvre by Beyoncé and Jay Z 
    3:55 Advertising campaign by Louis Vuitton that featured Joan Mitchell paintings
    6:00 2020 Uffizi promotional campaign to promote Botticelli exhibition
    7:25 Uffizi’s TikTok account posting with Dua Lipa 
    8:10 criticism of Uffizi campaigns
    9:20 Approaches by EU and UK
    11:20 Influencer marketing
    14:35 EU Directive
    30:10 Italian approach 
    33:00 liability under Italian case law and consumer code
    35:30 historical events that caused Gallo’s choice on research and thesis
    37:00 Emily Gould
    38:20 Alan Robertshaw 
    43:15 risks and contractual issue with fees
    46:20 Gould
    47:45 Gallo on InstaGram disclosure 

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    Music by Toulme.

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    Thanks so much for listening!

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Warfare of Art & Law Podcast
    en-usJanuary 21, 2024

    Anthropologist and Author Dr. Giovanni Ercolani on Artists in Ukraine Who Are Preserving the Spirit of Maidan

    Anthropologist and Author Dr. Giovanni Ercolani on Artists in Ukraine Who Are Preserving the Spirit of Maidan

    To learn more, please have a look at Dr. Ercolani's book, The Maidan Museum: Preserving the Spirit of Maidan.
    Show Notes:
    1:00 Ercolani’s background
    3:50 Ercolani’s focus of Ukraine
    6:40 research and writing The Maidan Museum: Preserving the Spirit of Maidan
    11:40 new Maidan language created that includes symbols
    14:45 portraits by Marina Sochenko
    16:50 Yulia Ovcharenko
    17:45 Tatyana Cheprasova
    18:20 Cheprasova’s use of Caravaggio 
    19:00 Oleksandr Ivanovych Melnyk’s “I Can See Your Deeds”
    19:45 Melnyk’s “I Can See Your Deeds”
    20:25 French anthropologist Marc Augé - ‘anthropology of encounter’
    21:15 Marina Sochenko’s art as documentation
    21:55 Artistic Hundreds group
    22:15 Artist Ivan Semesyuk with Artistic Hundreds
    26:15 Kandinsky quote that artists are receivers and beneficiaries
    28:15 Maidan art and a new world order
    33:45 NATO
    36:45 Maidan revolution and the current war
    41:00 memory of identify and identity war
    42:05 author Andrey Kurkov’s move to Ukraine to have the identity of Ukrainians
    43:25 significant of preserving art and cultural heritage in times of conflict
    47:00 his legacy 
    49:50 his definition of justice
    51:15 the constitution of Melfi by Emperor Frederick II
    53:15 link between Russian-Ukraine War and Maidan Revolution
    58:45 next projects focused on conflict in society
    1:00:30 anthropological identity work tied to art and cultural heritage
    1:02:30 artist seen as enemy

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    Thanks so much for listening!

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    *Bonus* “Signs” from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid

    *Bonus* “Signs” from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid

    Featuring excerpts from Episode 121, an interview with Dr. Samson Munn and musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023.


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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Warfare of Art & Law Podcast
    en-usDecember 22, 2023

    Copyright Advocate & Author David Newhoff on State Sovereign Immunity, IP, AI and Artists' Rights - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    Copyright Advocate & Author David Newhoff on State Sovereign Immunity, IP, AI and Artists' Rights - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    Cover Photo of David Newhoff by Sean Mekas

    To learn more, please visit Mr. Newhoff's site as well as his blog, The Illusion of More.

    Show Notes:

    1:45 Newhoff’s background 

    4:15 impetus to write Who Invented Oscar Wilde?: The Photograph at the Center of Modern American Copyright? 

    6:15 SCOTUS’s Warhol decision

    10:00 Sarony’s input compared with and AI users’ input

    14:00 Newhoff’s comments to USCO’s NOI and Request for Comments

    17:20 compulsory licensing scheme

    18:50 RightsClick

    25:45 USCO’s focus on how a work was created (by AI or human) versus leaving that to courts

    25:55 feedback on his comments to USCO

    32:00 AI copyright lawsuits in the US

    36:25 liability for AI training data

    40:45 Emily Gould: whether training involves making copies, EU exception for copies

    43:00 whether US copyright is still fit for purpose in light of issues raised by AI

    44:20 work “in the style of” 

    48:40 Deborah Roberts vs Lynthia Edwards - suit over collage works

    52:30 Alan Robertshaw: threshold of infringing work versus transformative work

    54:50 why use AI to create artwork

    56:45 NFT hype

    57:35 the legacy Newhoff hopes to be creating 

    58:50 Newhoff’s view of justice 

    1:01:00 status of Allen v. Cooper and Allen’s pending constitutional takings claim

    1:04:00 camouflage patents

    1:05:20 change from allowing IP claims against states to decision that Congress does not have that authority and 11th Amendment’s restriction of individuals bringing suit against states controlled 

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    Music by Toulme.

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    Thanks so much for listening!

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Dr. Samson Munn on Recovering Art by Jacob Mącznik and other School of Paris Artists, Escaping the Burden of Silence Through Dialogue, Citizenship, Israeli PM Netanyahu, the Fraught Concept of Legacy & Defining Justice

    Dr. Samson Munn on Recovering Art by Jacob Mącznik and other School of Paris Artists, Escaping the Burden of Silence Through Dialogue, Citizenship, Israeli PM Netanyahu, the Fraught Concept of Legacy & Defining Justice

    Cover Image:  Self-Portrait, oil on canvas by Jacob Mącznik.

    To learn more, please visit the website for Jacob Mącznik, the Lost Art Database page for Mącznik's Still Life with FishThe Austrian Encounter and the trailer to The Ghosts of the Third Reich.

    Show Notes:

    0:00 Dr. Samson Munn discussing Van Ham art auctionhouse

    1:45 Munn’s background

    2:50 history of Holocaust-related dialogue with Dan Bar-On

    4:00 Children of the Third Reich

    4:20 Austrian dialogue group 

    4:35 Ghosts of the Third Reich

    6:00 second group, The Encounter 

    7:45 Dan Bar-On’s book Fear and Hope

    12:00 examples from dialogue groups

    17:15 Munn’s initial motivation to start dialogue group - emotional responsibility 

    24:40 Munn’s dialogue work in Northern Ireland

    27:25 dialogue work with descendants of displaced indigenous peoples

    28:50 preparation for dialogue group facilitators 

    32:20 screening individuals for dialogue groups

    33:45 Israeli, Polish and German citizenship

    44:30 Jacob Mącznik’s work 

    1:00:00 Van Ham auctionhouse

    1:06:00 Parisian archive research

    1:11:00 Munn’s research of other artists from the Paris School

    1:12:30 female artists from the Paris School

    1:14:30 Mącznik catalogue raisonne

    1:17:00 legacy that Munn is working to create

    1:19:30 justice

    1:22:30 Israeli PM Netanyahu


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    Music by Toulme.

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    Thanks so much for listening!

    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Fair Use and AI - A 2ND Saturday Exploration

    Fair Use and AI - A 2ND Saturday Exploration

    Show Notes:

    0:00 Yelena Khajekian

    1:30 Warhol v Goldsmith decision by SCOTUS 

    3:00 USCO NOI’s Question 8

    4:00 Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc., 593 U.S. ___ (2021)

    4:20 liability question

    4:45 Emily Gould - fair use

    6:30 Alan Robertshaw - Warhol court’s focus on use of the work

    7:50 Khajekian - artists’ perspective on Warhol decision

    9:00 Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, Inc., 510 U.S. 569 (1994)

    10:20 confusion of fair use analysis and court’s aesthetic analysis

    12:00 USCO NOI’s Question about fair use 

    13:00 Robertshaw - UK’s fair dealing analysis

    15:50 Gould - big players like Getty 

    17:45 text and data mining exception

    20:10 Drawdy - private contracting as a solution

    21:00 Robertshaw - Getty

    22:15 Khajekian - conceptual art

    25:55 Warhol’s 2 Cir decision 

    26:50 Gould & Khajekian - Richard Prince decision held not fair use

    27:20 Khajekian - equity issue

    28:40 Gould - UK courts’ emphasis on purpose, e.g., Stormtrooper helmet case 

    30:30 Drawdy - amount and substantiality of use

    31:10 Gould - Australian case about Men at Work’s use of folk song Kookaburra in its pop song Down Under

    32:20 Robershaw - dispute over Vanilla Ice’s Ice Ice Baby

    33:00 Ed Sheeran  

    34:15 Getty case pending in UK

    35:00 Khajekian - international versus US issues 

    37:30 Robershaw - test that contemplates level of effort or end result regarding AI output

    40:30 Gould - risks involved with AI

    40:50 EU’s application-based approach 

    41:10 AI for medical applications

    41:55 detecting forgeries will still require humans, e.g., conflicting AI results regarding Raphael

    42:50  implicit bias in AI

    43:15 dogs detecting forgeries 

    43:40 chickens detecting shapes

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    Music by Toulme.

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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Glance at Culture - Martha Szabo's NYC Solo Exhibition & MSeum's Celebration of Unknown Female Artists

    Glance at Culture - Martha Szabo's NYC Solo Exhibition & MSeum's Celebration of Unknown Female Artists

    Cover art: Martha Szabo, Rooftops in Snow 11, oil on linen, 24 x 35 in., circa 1964

    To learn more, please visit the sites for Martha Szabo and MSeum.

    Show Notes:

    0:00 Art historian Kathleen Hulser

    1:30 Journalist Julia Szabo’s motivation to work on Martha Szabo’s body of work

    4:30 MSeum to be built in the Catskills

    5:00 National Association of Women in Construction

    7:50 Justice for unknown female artists

    11:15 Museum’s mission related to blind and low-vision visitors

    13:45 Sculpture Robin Antar’s limestone sculpture of Szabo’s “Red Sunset”

    15:20 Legacy to be created with MSeum includes redefining storage

    16:45 Visible storage space

    18:30 Julia Szabo’s parents

    19:45 ‘Mother Artist’ field of scholarship

    20:00 Author Hettie Judah

    21:20 Reception for Martha Szabo’s exhibition Up On the Roof

    22:10 Artist Christina Massey

    23:20 Museum’s director Kathleen Hulser

    24:30 “Up On the Roof” exhibition curated by Hulser

    26:00 “Incorrigibles” trans media project

    27:45 MSeum’s creation and mission

    34:15 Hulser’s scope a MuSeum

    36:45 Martha Szabo’s background and how it impacted her work 

    43:15 Feedback about Martha Szabo’s solo exhibition Up On The Roof: Liberation, Transformation, Celebration

    49:35 MSeum and exhibitions like “Up On The Roof” role in bringing some historical justice for female creatives

    52:10 David Richard Gallery


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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Glance at Culture - Anna D. Smith shares about Los Angeles Prisoner Artist Donald "C-Note" Hooker

    Glance at Culture - Anna D. Smith shares about Los Angeles Prisoner Artist Donald "C-Note" Hooker

    Cover art by Donald "C-Note" Hooker: top image "Cell Time" (2019); bottom image "During the Flood" (2017)

    To learn more, please visit the sites for Donald "C-Note" Hooker and Art for Redemption.

    Show Notes:
    0:00 Anna D. Smith discussing C-Note Hooker’s artwork entitled “During the Flood”
    1:20 Smith’s background
    3:15 Smith’s work as a court advocate
    4:00 Smith’s adoption of son, Emmanuel 
    4:45 Smith’s contact with artist Donald “C-Note” Hooker
    5:55 Art for Redemption coffee book
    6:10 C-Note’s work related to social justice
    6:45 “During the Flood” aka “Count Time”
    7:50 California prison built on flood-prone areas 
    8:45 compensation for incarcerated workers
    11:00 Smith’s efforts to sell C-Note’s artwork
    11:45 billboards “Incarceration Nation” and “Look Up Hope and Beauty”
    12:20 “Colored Girl Warhol”
    13:20 Billboard events to raise awareness about issues for the individuals in the system, the homeless, parolees 
    14:10 “Incarceration Nation”
    14:50 misconceptions about individuals in the system
    16:45 defining justice and amendment of the 13th Amendment 
    19:00 power of imagery to impact social awareness about issues with the system
    20:30 legacy and need for connections
    21:00 Martin Luther King’s inspiration to love one’s enemies
    24:00 incarcerated individual who entered contest about rehabilitation 
    27:00 view of justice for Smith began with her father’s work as teacher of economics to those incarcerated
    30:30 Vanity Fair article 
    32:00 importance of the arts in the system 

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    Music by Toulme.

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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Transforming Vacant Buildings into Art: Social Change with Ernest Chrappah

    Transforming Vacant Buildings into Art: Social Change with Ernest Chrappah

    To learn more and support Vacant to Visual artists, please visit the CityKey website.

    To reach out and learn more about Ernest Chrappah's work, please visit his website.

    Show notes:

    0:00 Ernest Chrappah
    1:10 Chrappah’s background
    4:00 Washington DC’s Vacant to Visual program
    9:00 artists included in the Vacant to Visual program
    9:50 Nia Keturah Calhoun
    11:15 “Ro” Stephenson
    12:00 Vacant to Visual NFTs
    13:40 feedback from Vacant to Visual program
    16:20 Vacant to Visual program as a model for other cities
    18:20 his view on how art can be used to create a more just society
    20:45 his defintiion of justice
    23:15 future work
    25:30 AI policy
    28:30 Vacant To Visual Site and Vacant to Visual NFT purchase cite


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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    Glance at Culture - Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller and Katharina Menschick Discussing the #lastseen Project's Analysis of Nazi Deportation Photographs

    Glance at Culture - Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller and Katharina Menschick Discussing the #lastseen Project's Analysis of Nazi Deportation Photographs

    To learn more, please visit the website for the #lastseen project.

    SHOW NOTES:

    0:00 Katharina Menschick on the response to #lastseen project

    3:00 Menschick – research associate in Arolsen Archives’ historical research department dealing with digital memory projects, digital archival projects and archival theory

    3:20 Dr. Christoph Kreutzmüller – historian with Arolsen Archives and House of the Wannsee Conference in Berlin

    3:45 mission of the #lastseen initiative

    5:00 missing deportation photographs 

    6:00 deportation photographs found by American GI and returned during Nuremberg trials

    7:00 request for deportation photographs

    7:20 types of deportation photographs 

    8:30 Eisenach deportation – Magda Katz 

    9:00 U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum research – donor identified uncle in photograph 

    11:15 deportation from Dr. Kreutzmüller’s hometown

    12:30 questions about why photographers took the deportation photos

    13:00 spectatorship / audience of the photographs

    14:20 importance of photographs as a historical source

    14:45 virtual interactive educational resource

    16:45 German high school pupils’ assistance in developing educational resource

    18:10 difficulty of discussing bystanders 

    19:30 photographs invite reflection 

    22:00 historical transparency by telling what they don’t know 

    25:00 giving context to photographs 

    28:30 gaze of those photographed

    29:15 propaganda film in Warsaw Ghetto

    30:20 legacy of their work 

    32:15 definition of justice – striving for fairness

    33:00 real restoration cannot be achieved

    34:00 doing justice to the photographs and to those in the photographs

    34:45 restitution through archives 

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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]

    AI Policy From the UK to the US with Institute of Art and Law's Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    AI Policy From the UK to the US with Institute of Art and Law's Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

     SHOW NOTES:
    0:00 Alan Robertshaw
    1:00 Emily Gould - overview of AI historical development
    2:30 first phase - 1950s Alan Turing - machines do what they are told
    3:10 second phase - machine learning creating models using data and develop methods to make decisions / predictions based on that data
    3:50 third phase - deep learning usually using neural networks to mimic the human brain
    4:50 GANs - part of third phase that involve generator and discriminator algorithms
    5:55 Obvious’ Portrait of Edmond de Belamy
    6:40 Robbie Barrett’s code used by Obvious
    8:40 unpredictability in the deep learning phase 
    9:25 different tests applied to determine if a machine is intelligent
    9:55 Turing test - machine is intelligent if you can’t tell the difference between responses by a human and a machine
    10:10 Lovelace test - machine is intelligent if you can’t explain machine’s answer
    11:20 ‘Alpha Go’ algorithm
    13:30 uses of AI
    14:20 huge training data sets
    15:50 major risks with AI include copyright
    17:10 privacy and data protection
    17:20 transparency - deep fake
    17:40 bias amplification
    18:15 MIT researcher Joy Buolamwini’s work with facial analysis software
    19:45 UK’s pro-innovation approach to AI
    21:45 text and data mining (TDM) exception only for non-commercial use - proposal to expand to commercial use
    24:25 Nov 2022 government decided not to expand TDM exception to commercial use
    24:55 UK Pro-innovation Regulation of Technologies Review
    26:45 A pro-innovation approach to AI regulation policy paper  - no legislation in the short term, no move to central regulatory body for AI
    29:30 AI described in UK white paper as including autonomy and adaptivity
    32:25 Global Summit on AI Safety
    32:45 EU AI Act with risk—based approach - June 2023 signed off by Parliament; final conclusions expected late 2023; operational circa 2026
    36:35 US - AI suits pending
    37:00 Robbie Barrett
    38:00 opt in versus opt out policy
    39:20 Senate testimony regarding UK’s AI advances
    40:15 US Task Force on AI Policy proposed; Privacy Consumer Protection Framework
    40:45 Getty v. Stability AI suits in US and UK
    41:25 2024 elections and AI
    44:00 Alan Robertshaw’s case with Getty
    47:05 Gould: AI voice scam
    48:00 Robertshaw: AI uses
    50:20 AI medical screening
    53:00 consciousness
    56:00 Artist Sofia Crespo’s work with natural history
    56:30 Lines and Bones by artist Iskra Velitchkova
    56:50 Dawn Chorus Alexandra Daisy Ginsberg
    57:30 projection for how artists in the UK will address AI issues 



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    Glance at Culture - Michael Rohd on Theatre Arts, Social Cohesion, Social-Based Arts Programs and Civic Imagination

    Glance at Culture - Michael Rohd on Theatre Arts, Social Cohesion, Social-Based Arts Programs and Civic Imagination

    To learn more, please visit the sites for Sojourn Theatre, One Nation/One Project, and the Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition

    Cover Photograph: "Rohd co-facilitating an arts convening in Boston this past fall with Nicole Brewer and musicians from Silkroad Ensemble"

    Show Notes:

    3:45 Rohd’s background

    4:50 'Hope is Vital' project in DC area

    7:00 Sojourn Theatre

    10:10 2003 disruption in Oregon legislature

    11:50 'Witness Our Schools' project - role of public education today 

    14:30 impact of bringing voices in and building relationships for a different kind of dialogue

    15:15 criteria for success of arts-based work around civic issues 

    16:10 One Nation / One Project rooted in post-Great Depression Federal Theater project

    22:15 local community involvement centered on building relationships

    25:30 approach to critics of social-based arts programs

    28:10 Center for Performance and Civil Practice (CPCP) - collective of 9 

    33:45 Undoing Time: Art and Histories of Incarceration exhibition with Arizona State University Art Museum Director Miki Garcia (Episode 79)

    37:45 choreography / dramaturgy for Undoing Time

    40:20 questions posed in Undoing Time

    42:10 future project for the cards created from Undoing Time 

    44:45 aspect of justice included in the question he focuses on: who are we responsible for?

    47:30 influence of teachers that led Rohd to his current work

    49:50 legacy 

    51:30 Co-Lab for Civic Imagination in Montana

    53:50 ‘Communities of Care’ model

    54:15 Definition of Civic Imagination - like functional democracy




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    Attorney, Author and Podcaster Jeremy Richter aka J.W. Judge Discusses His Legal and Writing Practices, Traditional versus Self Publishing, AI and More

    Attorney, Author and Podcaster Jeremy Richter aka J.W. Judge Discusses His Legal and Writing Practices, Traditional versus Self Publishing, AI and More

    To learn more, please visit the websites for Jeremy Richter, J.W. Judge, Scarlet Oak Press and The Write Approach podcast.

    Show Notes:

    1:00 Commercial litigation practice with Gordon Rees

    4:00 Sustainable marketing and branding with writing law blog 

    5:00 Speaking and presenting at conferences on legal topics

    5:20 Writing legal non-fiction on case management, client development

    6:20 2018 ABA published book Building A Better Law Practice, 2019 Self published 2nd and third books Stop Putting Out Fires and Level Up Your Law Practice: The Ultimate Guide to Being a Successful Lawyer 

    7:40 August 2020 first novel Vulcan Rising

    8:20 Research for family story from father’s side of family 

    8:50 Grandfather’s father murdered his estranged wife and himself in 1940 

    10:45 Research for second novel Seeking Sanctuary in The Zauberi Chronicles set in Germany’s Black Forest

    14:30 Lawyerpreneur podcast ran from March 2020 to August 2022

    16:50 The Write Approach podcast

    18:45 Co-host Barbara Hinske
    20:00 The Write Approach podcast episode 6: Dovetailing Creative Ideas and Smart Business Decisions with Kevin Tumlinson and reference to AI

    20:45 AI changes

    21:50 Chat GPT - rewrite of book blurb

    22:40 Chat GPT-3 and Chat GPT-4

    23:00 AI’s impact on jobs

    24:00 AI for book cover ideas

    24:25 Casual Business with Fairies

    25:00 5th novel - Castaway meets a murder mystery

    26:10 Publishing imprint Scarlet Oak Press

    26:50 Do You Draw Pictures by Becki C. Lee (Author), Walter Jaczkowski (Illustrator)

    27:35 Should We Shake On It by Becki C. Lee (Author), Walter Jaczkowski (Illustrator)

    27:50 Mommy Needs a Minute by Claire E. Parsons & Naomi L. Hudson

    29:00 Traditional publishing

    31:00 The Write Approach podcast episode 33: From Spicy Romance to Chart-Topping Suspense with Alessandra Torre

    31:25 Evolution of his business goals and intent for future work

    32:50 Pursuit of multiple careers

    34:25 Definition of justice 

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    Glance at Culture - Artist Farook Mohammed on Using Art As A Weapon

    Glance at Culture - Artist Farook Mohammed on Using Art As A Weapon

    Cover art After World War III, 2020, oil on board, 60 cm x 80 cm, by Farook Mohammed

    To learn more, please visit the website for the Afro Arabian Empire.

    Show Notes:

    00:45 Pan-African mission of his artwork that combines the diversity of Africa

    2:30 artwork to promote brotherhood and unity for Africa and the world 

    8:00 artwork tells stories that include a focus on identity and gender

    10:00 childhood

    12:25 social constructs

    15:30 power of art

    16:00 legacy he want to leave

    18:00 under-population of the world

    18:40 sustainable development 

    19:00 examples of his work 

    22:30 women

    23:10 Man’s Endeavor

    25:00 life outside the earth

    26:30 use of AI 

    30:30 regulations on use of technology 

    32:15 transparency about use of AI to create art

    33:00 Chat GPT

    34:40 open market 

    36:20 used Midjourney for ideas 

    38:20 use of AI for bad reasons

    39:15 drone technology

    40:20 Elon Musk

    40:50 After World War III

    44:30 claims against S African media houses

    47:30 Afro Arabian Empire 

    47:55 group exhibition planned for Mantis Boutique 

    48:30 Continental Pan-Africa Art Exhibition 

    49:45 view of justice 

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    NFT Update with Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    NFT Update with Emily Gould - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    To learn more: 18 April 2023 UK Parliament's Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee regarding NFTs and the blockchain,  Emily Gould's correspondence following the hearing on several issues touched on by the Committee; and NFT-related posts on the IAL Blog.

    Show Notes:
    1:15 Beeple sold ”Everydays — The First 5000 Days” for $69 million
    2:45 The Art Basel and UBS Global Art Market Report
    3:00 current global art market valued at 67.8 billion
    3:15 current art-related NFTs valued at $1.5 billion
    3:50 collectibles-related NFTs valued at 11.8 billion
    5:00 Parliamentary  committee
    5:50 NFT life cycle
    6:40 NFT defined
    10:50 Distributed Ledger Technology
    12:20 Ethereum
    14:20 Web 1-3
    15:50 Metaverse
    16:50 holograms
    17:35 stakeholders
    22:50 resale royalty right
    24:00 NFTs taken off chain will break royalty under smart contract
    27:15 Flipkick - NFT authentication service
    27:25 Artclear -  NFT authentication service
    28:00  blockchain and provenance
    30:40 fractional ownership
    31:40 DAOs
    32:40 fractional.art
    32:55 Artsect Gallery
    34:50 Copyright infringement
    37:00 licensing 
    37:40 Injective Protocol purchased/burnt Banksy's Morons (White)
    38:50 Daystorm posted NFT of Basquiat for sale along with IP rights
    39:30 TM infringement - MetaBirkin NFTs
    40:30 commercial risks
    41:00 NFT platform liability and disclaimers
    42:00 EU copyright directive
    42:25 Soleymani v. Nifty Gateway
    44:10 UK consumer rights act protection for Soleymani
    44:30 illicit activity - theft of NFTs or unauthorized minting of NFTs
    44:45 ex-OpenSea employee convicted of fraud/money laundering
    45:15 Osbourne v Opensea & Tulip Trading Limited v Bitcoin
    45:30 property status of NFTs
    46:00 money laundering
    46:25 financial risks
    48:00 tax & estate planning
    48:15 environmental concerns
    50:00 Whitworth Gallery’s Ancient of Days
    51:10 Vacant-To-Visual Program 
    52:40  Hirst’s Currency project
    54:05 Alan Robertshaw
    54:30 Currency project results slightly favored physical works over NFT
    55:45 Hirst’s The Beautiful Paintings project
    56:35 international body 
    57:20 Robershaw 
    58:40 conflict between smart contracts and natural term licensing
    1:00:30 Robertshaw 
    1:01:10 transaction time
    1:02:20 "trustless" system actually requires trust

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    Glance at Culture - Cultural Heritage Preservation Lawyers' Committee Fellow Jan Felman on the Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition

    Glance at Culture - Cultural Heritage Preservation Lawyers' Committee Fellow Jan Felman on the Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition

    To learn more, please visit the websites for the Max Stern Restitution Project, the HEAR Act, the Second Circuit's decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Zurückgeben Foundation and Almost Lost: the Heinemann Legacy (Before, During, and After the Holocaust).

    Show Notes:
    1:30 Max Stern Art Restitution Project 
    2:30 Dr. Max Stern
    5:00 Stern’s restitution efforts
    8:00 Cancellation of The Max Stern Düsseldorf to Montreal Art Exhibition
    9:50 Sales under duress
    10:15 Auctions at cut-rate prices as an encouragement to the German people
    13:15 Rug in the office of Angela Merkel 
    14:20 Russian exhibition of looted German objects
    16:00 German Lost Art Foundation 
    17:00 Mosse Art Research Initiative - partly funded by German Lost Art Foundation
    18:10 Thieves able to give good title under German law
    20:40 Hilde Schramm - German politician for Alliance 90/The Greens, daughter of  German architect/Nazi Party official Albert Speer
    21:20 The Zurückgeben Foundation - organization started by Schramm
    21:45 City of Lüneburg, Germany honored Jewish Heinemann family whose objects were looted 
    22:45 Heinemann family donated looted objects back to the Lüneburg Museum
    23:20 Holocaust Expropriation Art Recovery (HEAR) Act 
    24:40 Second Circuit decision in Zuckerman v. The Metropolitan Museum of Art
    25:00 Doctrine of Laches
    27:40 New focus of research on difficulty of being honest about genocide restitution
    28:30 Theft of works from Ukrainian museums
    33:20 Dehumanization as part of genocide
    34:00 Denial of wrongs committed in genocide
    35:00 Russia’s prior theft of Ukrainian cultural heritage
    35:20 World’s tolerance / denial of genocide
    36:20 Need for empathy
    36:30 What is a bystander
    36:50 Spain’s policy as an allegedly neutral party during WWII
    38:00 Concept of justice
    38:45 Andrew Smith - The Met’s reasoning 
    40:45 British Museum’s policy that Elgin Marbles are part of UK heritage
    42:40 HEAR Act’s legislative intent ignored by the Court
    43:45 Picasso’s The Actor was a gift to the Met
    44:20 Vienna case of  painting looted from Alma Mahler (Edvard Munch's "Summer Night at the Beach") restituted in 2001 by Belvedere Museum to Mahler's granddaughter, Marina
    46:30 Alan Robertshaw - neutral area that serviced U boats
    47:20 Alan Robertshaw - 1995 abolishment of UK’s market overt - English legal concept from mediaeval times that allowed subsequent ownership of stolen goods


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    Environmental Lawyer, King's Counsel and Artist Stephen Tromans Discussing his Golgotha Series on the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, His Practices of Law and Art, and Art's Role In Addressing Injustice

    Environmental Lawyer, King's Counsel and Artist Stephen Tromans Discussing his Golgotha Series on the Russian Invasion of Ukraine, His Practices of Law and Art, and Art's Role In Addressing Injustice

    Cover image by Stephen Tromans: Climate Innocence, 1957, oil on board, 20x24 inches

    To view Stephen Tromans' work, please visit Mr. Tromans' website and Instagram as well as Ely Cathedral's feature of his Golgotha series, the Cambridge Drawing Society's discussion of his work and the Gallery Holt.

    Show Notes:
    1:30 Troman’s choice to go into law, specifically environmental law
    2:45 Lord Denning
    3:30 Troman’s work as a painter
    4:30 Diploma in oil painting
    5:00 Influenced by Turner, Caravaggio, Goya
    5:30 Scotland’s Joan Eardley
    5:40 Royal Academician Fred Cuming
    6:30 mixed media and collage
    6:50 Hong Kong urbanscapes
    9:20 Golgotha series
    12:00 Ely Cathedral
    15:00 feedback from Golgotha series
    15:45 Ukrainian children and their toys as a focus in Golgotha series
    18:00 future cathedral venues for Golgotha series
    18:45 current work
    20:20 environmentally-related art
    22:00 Climate Innocence, 1957 - acceptance of pollution
    23:00 Troman’s process
    24:00 art’s function to speak to social issues
    26:00 compliments between legal and creative work
    28:50 legacy
    31:30 definition of justice 
    34:15 how Troman’s artwork speaks to justice
    35:15 the power of Picasso’s Guernica

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    © Stephanie Drawdy [2024]