#WorkBold Podcast

Welcome to Season 11 of #WorkBold, with your host Caleb Parker, CEO of Brave Corp. This podcast exists to serve stakeholders in commercial real estate including investors, fund managers, landlords, operators agents, and brokers, by providing insights from industry experts on navigating the changing landscape of office real estate and the future of work.

Season 11 is sponsored by Freshwave, the champions of connectivity ensuring your mobile phone signal is strong in your offices.

Grab your popcorn and tune into our preview of what’s to come over the next 10 weeks. 

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Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor | Freshwave: Website | LinkedIn
Freshwave is the connectivity infrastructure-as-a-service provider bringing MNOs, government, and real estate providers to work together in new ways. From stadiums and hospitals to skyscrapers and shopping centres, we provide mobile, 5G and Wi-Fi connectivity infrastructure all over the UK and Europe.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn
Bold is a coworking brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn
NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Brave Corporation: Website | LinkedIn
The next generation real estate company driving value through strategic asset repositioning to de-risk assets and increase NOI. 

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Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: In this episode of the #WorkBold Podcast, host Caleb Parker sits down with Markus Wiedenmann, a real estate expert and passionate advocate for sustainability. The discussion unfolds at the Young Leaders Forum at ULI, offering a unique perspective from the 31st floor of an office tower in Madrid. Marcus shares insights on the evolving landscape of real estate, emphasising the increasing complexity of the industry beyond traditional metrics. The conversation delves into the crucial role of sustainability, the transformation of real estate into a technical field, and the necessity of redefining value creation.

Takeaways:

• Sustainability and Energy Efficiency: Marcus underscores the urgent need to focus on making existing buildings energy-efficient to combat emissions. The conversation highlights the broader expertise required, including understanding energy production methods and building insulation.

• Optimism for the Future: Marcus expresses optimism about the future of real estate, emphasising the shift from a simple business model to a more complex, technical, and emotionally driven industry. He sees the younger generation as natural drivers of change in this evolving landscape.

• Prop Tech Investment Insights: Marcus shares valuable advice for property companies looking to invest in PropTech. He suggests engaging in conversations with industry players to identify inefficiencies and problems before developing solutions, emphasising the importance of understanding market needs.

• Space as a Service: Marcus discusses the concept of providing "space as a service" and the challenges posed by competing agendas and tax regulations. He highlights the necessity of structuring solutions collaboratively to deliver enhanced services to tenants.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Markus Wiedenmann on LinkedIn

• Art Invest Website

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: In this episode of the Workbook Podcast, host Caleb Parker sits down with Boudewijn Ruitenburg, the COO of Edge Technologies, a real estate development company. With 15 years of experience in shaping cities, Boudewijn shares insights into the challenges and opportunities in the current real estate landscape. From redefining office spaces to creating vibrant, community-driven environments, Edge is at the forefront of transforming traditional real estate into dynamic, tech-infused hubs.

Takeaways:

• The Evolution of Office Spaces: It's important to create attractive, flexible environments that motivate rather than mandate employees to come to the office.

• Tech-Driven Building Management: Boudewijn explains how their living, breathing tech is integrated into their buildings, creating smarter, more sustainable spaces.

• Sustainability Challenges: Sustainability is a key challenge and opportunity. While many commit to ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) principles, the industry lacks hands-on execution skills.

• Community Building and Like-Mindedness: Boudewijn stresses the need for diverse, multi-tenant buildings that foster collaboration and innovation among different companies, and the importance of creating communities within office buildings.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Boudewijn Ruitenburg on LinkedIn

• Edge Website

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: In this episode of the Workbook Podcast, host Caleb Parker sits down with Rohan Sikri, CEO of Xander Group, a prominent figure in the world of private equity real estate. Rohan shares insights on the evolving dynamics of global investments, the changing nature of office real estate, and the crucial role of branding in today's real estate market. From the impact of geopolitical shifts to the transformation of office spaces into B2C experiences, Rohan provides a forward-looking perspective that challenges traditional investment strategies.

Takeaways:

• The Shift to a Less Global World: Rohan emphasises the noticeable trend towards more localised investments and the need for investors to adapt to a world that is becoming less globally connected.

• Office Real Estate Evolution: The discussion delves into the changing landscape of office real estate, emphasising the importance of considering factors like geography, user experience, and brand differentiation in modern investment strategies.

• Brand Building in Real Estate: Rohan highlights the increasing significance of branding in the real estate industry, particularly in office spaces evolving from B2B to B2C. The discussion explores how brands in real estate are not just about logos but about delivering a consistent experience that resonates with tenants and clients.

• Two Businesses, One Vision: Rohan emphasises the need for vertical alignment between the investment management business and the operating brand, acknowledging that they are distinct yet interconnected entities. The discussion provides valuable insights for investors looking to balance operational excellence and brand recognition.

• Optimism Amid Challenges: Despite the challenges posed by a shifting global landscape, Rohan remains optimistic about the real estate industry. He sees an innovative and passionate community capable of finding solutions and believes that good portfolios are built even in challenging times.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Rohan Sikri LinkedIn

• Xander Group Website

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: Award winning podcast host and Founder of Bold, Caleb Parker sits down with Kingma Ma, Managing Director in the UK for PropTech1, a venture capital firm investing in European startups shaping the future of the built environment. Kingma shares insights into the dynamic world of PropTech, the challenges and opportunities in sustainability, and the importance of fostering a diverse ecosystem. From discussions at ULI in Madrid to the intricacies of retrofitting existing structures for energy efficiency, this episode explores the evolving landscape of PropTech and its impact on real estate.

Takeaways:

• Kingma emphasises the significance of building relationships across diverse domains within the built environment, highlighting the international nature of challenges and solutions in PropTech.

• Innovation in Retrofitting: EcoWorks, a German-based startup backed by PropTech1, demonstrates the potential of retrofitting existing multifamily residential apartments into net-zero energy spaces through advanced digital modelling and energy-efficient solutions.

• Strategic Partnerships for PropCo Innovation: PropTech1's approach involves not only providing capital but also creating an ecosystem where startups collaborate with established players in the built environment. This collaborative model aims to address real problems faced by property companies and drive innovation from within.

• Royal Connections: PropTech1's unique network includes the Liechtenstein Royal Family Office among its investors, showcasing the diverse and influential partnerships that contribute to the success of PropTech ventures.

• Kingma invites potential investors to join PropTech1 as Limited Partners (LPs) to be part of the venture's mission to reach a funding target of 100 million euros, supporting the growth of startups that tackle critical challenges in the built environment.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Kingma Ma LinkedIn

• PropTech1 Website

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: Award winning podcast host and Founder of Bold, Caleb Parker sits down with Kari Pitkin, Head of Client Solutions at PIMCO Prime Real Estate. In this episode, recorded live at the ULI conference, Carrie shares insights on navigating the complex landscape of real estate investment amid uncertainties like rising interest rates, geopolitical tensions, and the evolving ESG framework. The discussion touches on the challenges and opportunities in the market, emphasising the importance of patience and a long-term view. From repositioning brown buildings to green to addressing the changing demands of occupiers, Carrie provides a strategic perspective on sustainable and resilient real estate investments. The conversation delves into the evolving dynamics of office spaces, the impact of the pandemic on space usage, and the emergence of opportunities in logistics, residential, and alternative assets. Highlighting the need for a flexible approach, the podcast explores the significance of high-quality locations, services, and amenities in the modern real estate landscape. The episode concludes with valuable insights into the capital stack, emphasising the potential in debt credit and special situations to unlock returns for investors.

Takeaways:

• Explore the Kremm decarbonization pathway for aligning buildings with sustainability goals.

• Stay informed about energy efficiency deadlines and regulations impacting real estate, especially in Europe.

• Consider the opportunities in logistics, residential, and alternative assets for potential real estate investments.

• Keep an eye on the evolving dynamics of office spaces, focusing on high-quality locations and flexible solutions.

• Evaluate the potential in debt credit and special situations within the capital stack for unlocking returns in the current market conditions.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Kari Pitkin LinkedIn

• Pimco Real Estate Website

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: In this episode of the #WorkBold Podcast, Host Caleb Parker sits down with Louise Ellison, former Chief Commercial Officer of Longevity Partners, an expert in real estate sustainability. They dive deep into the pressing issues surrounding climate change and how the real estate sector can address them. With sustainability, climate risk, and ESG taking centre stage in recent years, the conversation explores topics like achieving net-zero carbon, the cost implications, and the concept of stranded assets. Louise sheds light on the innovative CRM pathways model, which predicts stranding risk, and the role of data in sustainability efforts. They discuss the significance of carbon pricing and its impact on transactions, and how the space-as-a-service model can contribute to more sustainable real estate practices.

Takeaways:

• Sustainability is at the forefront of the real estate sector's agenda, with a focus on achieving net-zero carbon and addressing climate change challenges.

• The cost of transitioning real estate assets to net-zero carbon varies based on the building, posing a complex challenge for the industry.

• The Carbon Risk Real Estate Monitor (CRM pathways) helps predict stranding risk by analysing data and determining when an asset may become carbon non-compliant.

• Carbon pricing plays a crucial role in incentivizing sustainability efforts, making it a valuable tool for measuring and reducing carbon emissions.

• Space-as-a-service models have the potential to make real estate more carbon-efficient and sustainable by matching supply and demand more efficiently, while also fostering innovation and agility.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Louise Ellison: Website | LinkedIn

• Longevity Partners: Website | LinkedIn

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: Award winning podcast host and Founder of Bold, Caleb Parker sits down with Thibault Weston Smith, the Managing Director of RealtyCorp. Thibault shares insights into his diverse and innovative career in real estate, spanning continents and innovations such as 3D-printed homes. He also delves into the exciting developments in PropTech, sustainability, and the growing demand for flexible, customer-centric real estate solutions. The conversation covers challenges and opportunities in real estate, emphasising the need to address decarbonization and create resilient, flexible assets. Thibault and Caleb explore how technology and PropTech are transforming the industry, and the significance of agility in real estate operations.

Takeaways:

• Decarbonization Challenge: Addressing the decarbonization of real estate and reducing carbon emissions (both embodied and operational) is a critical challenge. The industry must adapt to new values and methods that prioritise sustainability.

• Resilient Asset Classes: Building resilient asset classes that can adapt to changing needs and expectations is vital in the evolving real estate landscape.

• Flexible Spaces: Flexibility and the consumerization of real estate are on the rise, making it necessary to embrace short-term cash flows, adapt to tenant growth or contraction, and provide spaces that cater to individual needs.

• Innovation through PropTech: The real estate industry is undergoing a transformation through innovative PropTech solutions, offering efficiencies and opportunities for increasing NOI (Net Operating Income) by up to 22%.

• PropTech Revolution: With a growing number of PropTech companies in Europe, the real estate sector is poised for significant technological advancements.

Mentions & Shoutouts:

• McKinsey Study: Mentioned during the episode, the study discusses the potential for 15-22% efficiencies and increased NOI in commercial real estate through the power of technology.

Connect with today’s guest: 

• Thibault Weston-Smith: Website | LinkedIn

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 

• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn

• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn

NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn

Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn

NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 
• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn
• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: Award winning podcast host and Founder of Bold, Caleb Parker interviews Lee Odess about the changing face of access control. Lee Oddes is the CEO of Access Control Executive Brief. Lee is a globally recognized access control thought leader, consultant, speaker, and author who has dedicated his career to revolutionising access technology. Lee believes that security goes beyond physical barriers and that true access involves creating exceptional experiences. He emphasises the importance of adopting the latest technology to ensure safe access, deliver innovative resident experiences, and future-proof buildings. Throughout the podcast, Lee discusses the evolving role of access control in the modern world, its transformation from utility to experience, and the profound impact it can have on the real estate industry.

Takeaways:
• Access control is evolving from a traditional utility that restricts entry to a seamless experience that enhances convenience and user satisfaction in modern buildings.
• The integration of access control with other building systems and technologies can lead to operational efficiency, personalised user experiences, and enhanced safety.
• Access control systems can provide valuable data, including user patterns, location information, and resource utilisation, which can be leveraged for building management and security purposes.
• The real estate industry is transitioning from static, inflexible spaces to dynamic, flexible environments, driven by changing work patterns and customer demands.
• Storytelling is becoming increasingly important in the access control industry to convey the value of these systems in creating better building experiences and to bridge the gap between technology providers and customers.

Mentions & Shoutouts:
• Sign up for Lee’s newsletter: https://www.leeodess.com/

Connect with today’s guest: 
• Lee Odess: Website | LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn
NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn
Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn
NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:
A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team:
• Host Caleb Parker: LinkedIn
• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff: LinkedIn

Summary: Award winning podcast host and Founder of Bold, Caleb Parker interviews Bert Erik ten Cate, a seasoned expert covering the European property industry since 2003. Bert Erik shares valuable insights on the current challenges facing the real estate market and draws comparisons between the Global Financial Crisis (GFC) and today's market conditions. He emphasises the differences, particularly in banking practices, that make the current situation less vulnerable. Bert also discusses the impact of remote work on the demand for office spaces, the rise in interest rates, and the need for repurposing assets to meet sustainability standards. Discover how institutional investors like PIMCO are leaning toward debt investments and why there's still room for optimism in the real estate market. Don't miss this engaging conversation on the evolving landscape of commercial real estate.

Takeaways:
• Banks are less exposed to real estate risks, reducing the likelihood of massive bank failures.
• Remote work is prompting a reevaluation of office space needs, potentially leading to a surplus of vacant spaces.
• Rising interest rates are impacting financing and valuation of real estate assets.
• Repurposing non-prime assets to meet sustainability and demand for flexible spaces is a challenge but necessary.
• Institutional investors like PIMCO are favoring debt investments over equity in the current market.

Mentions & Shoutouts:
• Read Bert Erik’s article about Why Pimco’s Real Estate Chief Annette Kroeger Prefers Debt to Equity

Connect with today’s guest:
• Bert Erik ten Cate: Website | LinkedIn

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn
NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn
Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn
NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:
A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Connect with the WorkBold Podcast Team: 
• Host Caleb Parker
• Collaboration Partner Morgan Pierstorff

Summary: Award winning podcast host and Founder of Bold, Caleb Parker hands the mic over to Simon Abboud to lead this dynamic conversation around how young leaders view the future of work and the future of office real estate.

Simon Abboud is Director of European Management Services at the Hines Real Estate Company and Board Member of the Young Leaders Executive Committee for ULI Europe.

Simon engages in a unique panel-style discussion with young leaders from the 3 corners of the commercial real estate industry: Customer, Investor and landlord

1. Nishar Fatema, Global Workplace Strategist, Workplace Services at ServiceNow

2. Brice Hoffer, Portfolio Management Global Real Estate Multi-managers at UBS

3. Paras Maalde, General Counsel and Vice President, Legal at Brookfield Properties

These young leaders are actively involved in associations such as the Urban Land Institute, CoreNet Global, and Real Estate Balance, providing diverse perspectives on the future of work.

This panel style episode delves into the 3C Strategy (Culture, Community, and Connectedness) and how it can bridge expectations between occupiers, landlords, and investors. They also explore the role of ESG in shaping the industry's future and the importance of urban regeneration.

Listen this panel of young leaders as they uncover bold ideas in commercial real estate.

Takeaways:
• Young leaders in the commercial real estate industry are adopting a 3C strategy (Culture, Community, and Connectedness) to enhance employee engagement and bridge expectations among stakeholders.
• Landlords are responding to changing occupier needs by creating destinations in their properties, offering diverse programs and wellness activities, and collaborating on ESG goals.
• Investors are adjusting their strategies, reducing exposure to secondary office assets, and focusing on prime properties in response to the changing dynamics of the office space.
• NorNorm's circular model reduces CO2 emissions by up to 70% and promotes resource efficiency.
• Customers can track their climate impact and incorporate it into their ESG reporting.
• Flex spaces are at the forefront of industry discussions, with a focus on innovative partnerships for sustainability.
• Generation Z seeks engagement, mentorship, and instant validation in the workplace.
• Landlords should actively partner with occupiers to create inclusive and purpose-driven environments.
• Invest in regenerating existing real estate assets for a more sustainable future.

Sponsors:

NorNorm: Website | LinkedIn
NORNORM is a subscription-based furnishing model, letting your business adapt to the needs of tomorrow. Beautiful, affordable and fully circular. NorNorm's vision for the workspace of the future is simple. Place circularity at the core and demonstrate how this is better for business, people and the planet. By embracing NorNorm, real estate can drastically produce CO2 emissions and waste production, driving us closer to a greener future.

Fortune Favours the Bold: Website | LinkedIn
Bold merges property management & Space-as-a-Service to help office customers grow faster and drive asset value. Bold is a real estate brand owned and operated by NewFlex.

Future Proof Your Portfolio with NewFlex: Website | LinkedIn
NewFlex delivers and manages a range of branded solutions for every type of building, in every type of location, for every type of occupier. Including the flexibility to develop your own brand. All enabled by flexible management contracts where we are invested in making money for you.

Launch Your Own Podcast:
A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com

Welcome to the trailer for Season 10 of the Work Bold Podcast, hosted by awarding winning Podcaster, Caleb Parker!

In this trailer we drop the spoilers on a few surprises in store for you this season.

Including a little diddy for your next Karaoke outing...

Season 10 explores the rapidly evolving landscape of commercial real estate, with a particular focus on the next generation of leaders, with many episodes recorded on site a the Urban Land Institute's European Conference in Madrid, Spain.

Whether you're an investor, fund manager, developer, property manager, agent, or broker, this podcast is your guide to understanding the changing dynamics of the industry.

Special Shoutouts
 •We're proud to announce our headline sponsor for Season 10, NorNorm, a subscription-based furniture model aiming to enhance workspaces for people, businesses, and the planet.
 •Explore future-proofing your portfolio with coworking and flex spaces solutions at Newflex.com for valuable information on adapting to the changing real estate landscape.

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Understanding the NorNorm business model.

Quote from Guest: “We are disrupting the whole business model of furniture.” Douwe Dirks

Summary: Douwe Dirks, CCO of NorNorm joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 10 of Season 9 where they discuss how NorNorm are trying to disrupt the business model of furniture.

In this episode Caleb and Douwe discuss the circular ecosystem being created that reduces carbon output, the benefits of subscription furniture, helping office real estate savine cash and provide better agility to office customers and how furniture-as-a-service becomes a standard for Space-as-a-Service.

Connect with Douwe on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

I think that was the biggest driver initially and the biggest uptake for our service. - Douwe

Our pitch is very simple: invest in your company, not in furniture. - Douwe

We take away that whole hassle of the furniture part of the Fitout - Douwe

If you are that company or CEO or procurement officer that thinks that you can procure furniture for 10 years and your business won't change, fine. We're not your partner. - Douwe

NorNorm maybe only does 60% of a floor or 70% of a floor, and there's still CapEx remaining to do the rest. - Douwe

Timestamps: 

(0.20) Growth plans for NorNorm

(01.07) Biggest drivers in the market

(04.16) Partnership between NorNorm and Covivio

(05.15) NorNorm’s fundraising rounds

(05.55) Why NorNorm wanted to MIPIM

(07.08) NorNorm’s business model

(10.15) Business case for using NorNorm

(14.09) How they work as a plugin

(15.29) Furniture as a service

(17.42) Synergies between NorNorm and Design & Build Companies

(19.20) The companies quality assurance

(19.51) Their carbon report

Resources:

Covivio

IKEA

Verdane

Netflix

Volvo

Deutsche Bank

Heineken

WeWork

Shout outs:

Jonas Kjellberg

Antony Slumbers

Olivier Esteve

Melanie Jones

About Douwe Dirks

Douwe Dirks is CCO of NorNorm, a subscription-based furnishing service that helps businesses adapt to changing workspace needs.

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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An interview with art historian Sneha Shah

Quote from Guest: “Art is like this universal language” - Sneha Shah

Summary: Sneha Shah, Founder and CEO of Curaty joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 9 of Season 9  where  they discuss the impact art can have on community both within and around our buildings.

In this episode Caleb and Sneha discuss art as service, how curated art can provide inspiring and inclusive environments and the hashtag #WhiteWallsSuck

Connect with Sneha on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

Even before we had language that was verbal, it was visual. - Sneha

It's one of the oldest human organisational frameworks that we've created to be in touch with ourselves, but also with each other. - Sneha

How can we actually create spaces that respond to the people that are actually working there. - Sneha

Being surrounded by art sometimes creates the same kind of effect as being in nature, because at the end of the day, it's human touch. - Sneha

The values are the consistent piece, but the display of those values can vary. - Caleb

Since the day we were founded our hashtags have been  #noNakedWalls and #wechampionartists. - Sneha

Timestamps: 

[01.44]  The history of art in the environment and why it’s important.

[03.44] Using art to represent power

[05.52] The feelings art can create

[07.24] Are organisations beginning to use art to reflect their brand?

[11.42] How to curate a space that can be accommodating to everyone

[15.23] Using art spaces for wellbeing

[16.34] Can office spaces be uniformed and still create inclusive environments?

[19.09] Collaborations with art and artists

[20.35] Can you measure the impact of art within a space?

[21.48] Curaty’s art as a service program

Resources:

University College London

Rotary Club International

School of Art Institute Chicago

Forbes 30 under 30

JP Morgan

Dream the World Anew

Shout outs:

Giorgio Vasari

Anthony Slumbers

Jane Beaumont

About Sneha

Sneha Shah is the Founder and CEO of Curaty who buy and Rent curated fine art from the world's most inspiring artists and curators.

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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Why data is the key to reducing energy consumption.

Quote from Guest: “The real challenge for the industry is about the current building stock. - Khadija Nadi

Summary: Khadija Nadi, CEO of DeltaQ joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 8 of Season 9 where they discuss the challenge with achieving netzero on current building stock.

In this episode Caleb and Khadija discuss how real estate can reduce their carbon footprint, the importance of data,  its vital role in improving transparency and whether there will be a new pricing model for companies who use less energy.

Connect with Khadija on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

The reality is that 90% of the buildings that are here today will still be here in 2050. The real challenge for the industry is about the current building stock. - KhadijaWithout doing the retrofitting, they're gonna lose customers, they're gonna be hit with penalties and ultimately their energy costs are gonna go up. - Caleb

The HVAC system, heating, ventilation, and cooling, that's about 60% of the total consumption of an office building. - Khadija

On the current portfolio that we're steering to save around 20% on the total building 20% of CO2 and energy. - Khadija

Let's say 30, 40% of it can go immediately to an autopilot where we can, after just a couple of months, reduce drastically the consumption. - Khadija

Timestamps: 

(0.19) The conversations DeltaQ are having at MIPIM

(02.06) The gap between customers requirements and availability

(03.08) How DeltaQ help landlords with retrofits

(04.12) DeltaQ’s flagship product

(0.529) Making sense of data

(07.51) Business models for retrofitting

(10.03) The tenants role in achieving netzero

(12.06) Attracting new talent into real estate

(15.01) Trends in energy consumption throughout the working week

Resources:

Elion Real Estate

Generali

About Khadija Nadi

Khadija Nadi is CEO of DeltaQ the Headline Sponsors for the #WorkBold podcast.

She is also a Board member of Oya Seed and a Strategic Advisor for Impact Capital.

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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Repurposing for new office customer demand

Quote from Guest: “They want to challenge the status quo, do things differently.” - Sascha Lewin

Summary: Sascha Lewin Chief Executive Officer at WRE joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 7 of Season 9 where they discuss the opportunities with repurposing and repositioning products in commercial real estate in an economy that makes it difficult to create financial returns.

In this episode Caleb and Sascha discuss the challenges of having an in demand product but not being able to roll it out quickly, the gap between supply and demand, the importance of community on every project and WRE’s approach to Space-as-a-Service.

Connect with Sascha on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

One of the interesting things about ESG is it means something different to different people. For some it's carbon and for others it's about inclusivity. - Sascha

It has to have an emotional connection and that remains our fundamental processing approach. - Sascha

They want to challenge the status quo, do things differently. - Sascha

We're going to see income being generated not anymore, or not entirely by space, but also by providing service. - Sascha

We engaged with the public through public consultation, which we do in most major projects. And this was by far the most respondents we had ever seen. - Sascha

We are not gonna build our own team because we  believe that right now, every building that we develop, we need a different approach. - Sascha

Timestamps: 

(01.32) Why Sascha wanted to attend MIPIM

[03.30] Sascha’s view on the ULI report and whether to bridge the supply and demand, gap investors and asset managers need to invest in ESG initiatives

[05.33] The criteria W.RE look for when an acquisition opportunity comes into their funnel

[10.12] WRE’s work with up and coming consultants

[12.25] WRE’s approach to the S in ESG

[15.02] Their community approach on the Clapham Junction project

[17.38] Does WRE lean into the growth demand for Space-as-a-Service?

[19.59] Does WRE have an inhouse team or do they curate the right operator for an asset?

[23.01] Sascha’s restaurant recommendations in London and Cannes

Resources:

75 Grosvenor Street

ULI 2023 Conference

Clapham Junction Project

Trillion Dollar Hashtag

Shout outs:

Nor Norm

Covivio

Lisette Van Doorn

Daniel Chang

About Sascha Lewin

Sascha Lewin is Chief Executive Officer at W.RE an independent investment, development and asset management specialists in commercial real estate. 

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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Why we need minimum standards to reach net zero.

Quote from Guest: “The construction of buildings, over the lifetime of the building, is tenfold the environmental impact of the operational ongoing impact.” - Peter Fisher

Summary: Peter Fisher, Director at Bennetts Associates joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 6 of Season 9 where they discuss the impact of upfront emissions as well as the operational carbon emissions. 

In this episode Caleb and Peter discuss reuse of existing building stock, the increased use and positive impacts of timber within construction and the current issues this presents, as well as setting a standard in net zero carbon emissions and how office design and services are evolving.

Connect with Peter on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

The timber square project that we're doing, I think the structure there is about 20-25% lighter than a conventional steel composite structure would've been with concrete in it. - Peter

There are definitely not life safety issues around and the insurance issues are around asset protection. - Peter

There's almost a sustainability arms race happening amongst commercial development. - Peter

What I think a few years ago would've probably been considered imperfections are now considered character. - Peter

What we can't have is buildings that are highly bespoke. Those are the ones that always seem to come unstuck. - Peter

Timestamps: 

[01.55] Teaser of Peter’s episode on BBC Radio Four Show, Costing the Earth

[3.10] Repurposing or new developments?

[04.55] Why timber?

[07.16] Timber Square Project

[08.09] Limitations with building in timber

[09.25] Is timber a risky material to use for building?

[11.07] Why Peter wanted to attend MIPIM

[12.20] Setting a minimum standard for net zero carbon

[14.26] How office spaces are evolving

[17.37] Does flexible working change how buildings are designed?

[20.48] Are office spaces becoming more like hospitality spaces?

Resources:

Timber Square

Rip It Up And Start Again

MIPIM Road to Zero

Departure of Architecture, University of Cambridge

CitizenM Hotels

Shout outs:

Nor Norms

Covivio

Simon Sturgis

Built By Nature

Benjamin Bach

David Partridge

Basil Demeroutis

Andy Pyle

About Peter Fisher

Peter Fisher, Director at Bennetts Associates, who create sustainable & enduring architecture.

He is currently leading Timber Square in Southwark and Brent Cross Town 19, projects that are pushing both net zero carbon workplace and hybrid and full timber construction respectively.

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com 

Leaning into Space-as-a-Service, culture and community.

Quote from Guest: “Our buildings incorporate amenities and wellness spaces, but we also consider how they sit in the wider community.” - Dan Hyde

Summary: Dan Hyde, Development Director at MEPC Limited joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 5 of Season 9 where they discuss the importance of embedding community, culture and inclusivity into city centre developments and existing infrastructure.

In this episode Caleb and Dan discuss whether Manchester is fit for Generation Alpha, the different projects MEPC Ltd are working on across the UK and leaning into space as a service as a leasing strategy.

Connect with Dan on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

We were surprised that a lot of what they said in terms of the workplace and how that's got to be was around inclusivity, about being kind, about feeling happy, about feeling supported. - Dan

Making sure that we are really involved in the community, not the community the communities, because it's made up of lots of different communities, how we involve them all in its progression and its evolution over the 10 year period. - Dan

How do you value it from day one? - Dan

Flex has been solving those, what we call touchdown spaces for quite some time. -Caleb

With the flex, with these added amenities, it's much more attractive proposition. - Dan

Its really elevated Manchester to be a really attractive proposition for International companies looking to inward invest into the UK,  as a genuine alternative to London. - Dan

We're doing this for investors, but that gives it longevity. That will mean the next lease cycle people are still there to let up these buildings because they want to be part of that environment. - Dan

Timestamps: 

[0.36] Why Dan wanted to attend MIPIM

[01.30] Is Manchester fit for generation Alpha?

[02.39] What the NOMA Project is

[04.29] How they  incorporate space as a service into their assets

[07.15] The challenges with how buildings are valued

[08.50] Current trends with flex space

[10.19] Why is Manchester on fire?

[13.24] Future proofing community spaces

Resources:

NOMA

PWC

Federated Hermes

Standard Practice

Shout outs:

Wellington Place

Paradise Birmingham

St Mary Le Port

Sam Gamble

John Rowan

Becca Heron

Andy Burnham

About Dan Hyde

Dan Hyde, Development Director at MEPC Limited who manage some of the UK's best known commercial property, with seven Business Estates set in prime locations throughout the UK. Together they provide over 4 million sq ft of high quality space for more than 350 organisations, employing over 12,000 people. With a portfolio in excess of £650 million

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com 

A CRE masterclass with CapMan’s COO

Quote from Guest: “Property owners can earn higher rents from that space than if they were leasing it traditionally to say one single tenant.” - Ilkka Tomperi

Summary: Ilkka Tomperi, Partner & COO at CapMan Real Estate joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 4 of Season 9 where they discuss the importance of changing with the times and ensuring assets don’t become liabilities.

In this episode Caleb and Ilkka discuss CapMan’s value added strategy, and how they are approaching the growing gap between supply and demand in office real estate. They also discuss how the world of office and hotel real estate may merge and how this would change the business model.

Connect with Ilkka on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

I believe the future of Office Real estate is what the hotel industry looks like - Caleb

For us that means that we are in principle mostly a value add investor. And repositioning assets is actually very much in our heart. - Ilkka

If we don't invest in these retrofits, in bringing these assets up to speed, they will become stranded assets. And that becomes a liability. - Caleb

You may have in a building a couple of tenants with three five year leases and then some others with 12 month notice periods. So that brings the weighted average lease length down in a building. - Ilkka

I think that the lines between the asset classes are blurring a little. - Ilkka

The office market is changing extremely rapidly at the moment. - Ilkka

Timestamps: 

[01.49] Why Ilkka wanted to attend MIPIM

[03.41] How Capman are facing the changes happening in real estate

[5.22] Lease structures in Finland

[08.22] Can historical data be used to predict cash flow?

[09.33] Will the future of offices look like hotels?

[10.41] Capman’s recent deal in Stockholm

[12.27] Examples of office and hotel assets being combined

[13.31] Smaller and larger companies working together to lease space

[14.33] The best markets for global investors 

[18.06] Core capital and investors

[18.41] Where different investor profiles are concentrating

Resources:

Urban Land Institute

Capman Stockholm Project

Shout outs:

Nor Norms

Real Innovation Academy

Lisette Van Doorn

About Ilkka Tomperi

Ilkka Tomperi is Partner & COO at CapMan Real Estate, a leading Nordic private asset expert with an active approach to value creation.

Ilkka is also a Professor of Practice (Real Estate Investment) at Aalto University.

Connect with Ilkka on Twitter

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

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A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com 

Quote from Guest: “Post pandemic, the workplace has changed and what people need and the demands of a workplace have changed.” - Thomas Pearson

Summary: Thomas Pearson, Head of Real Estate Commercial at JMW Solicitors LLP joins Bold founder Caleb Parker for Episode 3 of Season 9 where they discuss the rapid expansion they have seen in the last few years, despite the pandemic. 

In this episode Caleb and Thomas discuss the current trends they are seeing within real estate, balancing office requirements with flexible working and creating fully inclusive spaces. They also discuss future planning during economic uncertainty.

Connect with Thomas on LinkedIn

Connect with Caleb on LinkedIn 

If you have any questions or feedback on this episode, email podcast@workbold.co

Value Bombs:

We really bucked the trend against the pandemic. - Thomas

It looks like the trend is companies are leaving their old footprint behind and going into assets or new footprints that are smarter. - Caleb

We find within our teams, across our offices, the majority of people at J M W wanna be in and wanna interact with their colleagues. - Thomas

In any new project we've done since 2017, everything is open plan. - Thomas

The companies that have too much space today, I imagine if they front loaded this conversation about having these options when they signed their lease, they wouldn't be with too much space today. - Caleb

You've got to have that ability and that boldness  to look at flexible options within your own leases. - Thomas

Timestamps: 

[01.16] JMW’s growth over the past 4 years

[01.58] The impact of the pandemic on growth

[03.03] Current trends in real estate

[05.13] Managing office ratios with flexible working

[06.13] Thinking about company culture when looking at existing or new office space

[07.24] The ESG considerations within JMW

[08.55] How workplaces can support DEI initiatives 

[10.36] How JMW forward plan 

[13.10] Companies that find themselves, post-pandemic with too large office space

[14.49] The importance of collaborative spaces

[19.29] Should you expect landlords to fund all retrofit items?

[19.58] Would you move into an office footprint that could shrink?

[21.05] How the conversation Thomas has when representing landlords has changed

Resources:

Deloitte

Shout outs:

Lisette Van Doorn

Dave Cairns Episode

About Thomas Pearson

Thomas Pearson is Head of Real Estate Commercial at JMW Solicitors LLP who are a full service law firm with offices in Manchester, Liverpool and London. Solicitors here for you and your business.

Thomas is also Chair of the Spinningfields Business Group , an association of businesses with offices within the local area.

Connect with Thomas on Twitter

Sponsors:

Headline Sponsor: DeltaQ

DeltaQ is a Top 3 European PropTech solution for reducing the carbon footprint of the built environment. Operating from the centre of Brussels, they have developed a solution that learns to predict the behaviour of a building (in context of comfort and energy use) and leverages these predictions to automatically steer the energy systems.

DeltaQ improves comfort while maximising energy and CO2 savings and allows operational teams to turn their attention to added value work instead of repetitive tasks and constant finetuning.

When deployed over a large volume of buildings, DeltaQ will deliver an important contribution to realising the world’s ambition in the fight against climate change.

Launch Your Own Podcast

A Podcast Company is the leading podcast production and strategic content company for brands, organisations, institutions, individuals, and entrepreneurs. Our team sets you up with the right strategy, equipment, training, guidance and content to ensure you sound amazing while speaking to your niche audience and networking with your perfect clients. Get in touch jason@apodcastcompany.com