#218 – Jaron Lanier: Virtual Reality, Social Media & the Future of Humans and AI
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Jaron Lanier is a computer scientist, composer, artist, author, and founder of the field of virtual reality. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
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(00:00) - Introduction
(08:04) - What is reality?
(12:17) - Turing machines
(13:35) - Simulating our universe
(19:49) - Video games and other immersive experiences
(23:37) - Death and consciousness
(32:08) - Designing human-centric AI
(33:42) - Empathy with robots
(37:33) - Social media incentives
(49:53) - Data dignity
(57:26) - Jack Dorsey and Twitter
(1:09:10) - Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies
(1:13:51) - Government overreach and freedom
(1:24:06) - GitHub and TikTok
(1:26:16) - The Autodidactic Universe
(1:31:07) - Humans and the mystery of music
(1:37:17) - Defining moments
(1:48:03) - Mortality
(1:49:56) - The meaning of life