This podcast is about making the most of the collective gap year that we’re all living through right now. It's a topic that applies to anyone, of any age, but our focus is on those in midlife and older.
So today, to kick off 2021, Debbie talks to the perfect guest, Ashton Applewhite. Ashton is an author, speaker and activist on the topic of ageism, which can be defined as discrimination on the basis of age (no matter how old or how young you are). She's been called a pro-aging radical and the "Malcolm Gladwell of ageism." She and Debbie really get into it in this wide-ranging conversation with Ashton poking and prodding at some of Debbie's assumptions.
The topic of ageism (or any -ism) brings up a lot of emotion. Fear is generally at the top of the list so they talk about the fear of getting old and what that means in America. They talk about the value of human lives and why older people are often seen as less valuable or even invisible. And they delve into how the pandemic has revealed the deep well of ageism, as well as racism and ableism, in our society.
They also talk about the irony of being ageist yourself, of unconsciously accepting the notion that old is ugly. (Debbie is 69 and Ashton is 68.) Ashton reminds us that studies like the U-Curve of Happiness show older people are happier. They end the conversation with Ashton offering one thing you can do to combat ageism: become aware of when you’re using the word “old” as a negative vs. “young” as a positive. Think about that while you're listening to this provocative episode.
Mentioned in this episode or useful:
- Ashton’s website: This Chair Rocks
- Her book is newly out in paperback: This Chair Rocks: A Manifesto against Ageism by Ashton Applewhite (Celadon Books 2019)
- Ashton’s website challenging the stereotypes that segregate us by age: Yo, Is This Ageist?
- Ashton’s Anti-Ageism Clearinghouse: https://oldschool.info/
- Ashton on Twitter: https://twitter.com/thischairrocks
- Ashton’s 2017 TED talk: Ashton Applewhite: Let's end ageism
- Reflections on the Plague Year From an Anti-Aging Activist by Ashton Applewhite (Next Avenue, March 15, 2021)
- Definition of intersectionality
- Age justice requires disability justice—and vice versa by Ashton Applewhite (Changing Aging, August 18, 2020)
- Rather than identifying as old, young or middle-aged, be an “old person in training” instead by Ashton Applewhite (TED Ideas, April 26, 2019)
- Robert Butler, the gerontologist who coined the term “ageism”
- Anne Lamott
- The World Health Organization: A global campaign to combat ageism
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