immutable

How do you build a robust workstation? How can you tie in containerized desktop applications into rpm-ostree? That is the realm of the Fedora SilverBlue spin! The Fedora Podcast features interviews and talks with the people who make the Fedora community awesome! These folks work on new technologies found in Fedora, produce the distro itself, or help put Fedora into the hands of users. There is so much going on in Fedora that it takes a whole podcast series! 🖥️ Get Started with Fedora Linux: https://fedoraproject.org 📢 Follow the Fedora Podcast: https://podcast.fedoraproject.org 🗣️ Chat With Us in the Fedora Podcast room: https://matrix.to/#/#podcast:fedoraproject.org 🫂 Become a Part of the Fedora Community: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/join/ 📱 Connect with Us: Eric "the IT Guy" Hendricks: https://mastodon.social/@itguyeric Fedora Atomic Desktop SIG https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/AtomicDesktops Misconceptions About Immutable Distributions https://theevilskeleton.gitlab.io/2023/08/29/misconceptions-about-immutable-distributions.html Chapters 00:00 Stream start 00:10 Welcome 02:21 Introductions 05:10 What’s the goal of immutability? 11:45 Misunderstanding of immutability 21:35 What do we call this? 31:00 Universal Blue 46:36 Atomic Desktop SIG 49:40 Closing thoughts

Coming up in this episode * The prying eyes wanna know 👀 * The History of Silverblue * What's immutable anyway? * and how we layered a few packages 0:00 Cold Open 1:44 Telemetry Trouble 27:45 Silverblue 2012 30:49 Silverblue 2013-2014 33:55 Silverblue 2015-2017 34:50 Silverblue 2018 38:25 Silverblue 2019-2021 39:56 Silverblue 2022-2023 41:47 An Immutability Primer? 1:01:39 How'd Silverblue Go? 1:28:42 Next Time: Topics & CDE 1:33:04 Stinger The video version! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5HWgR24VXU Banter Fedora considers adding telemetry (https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/10/fedora_privacy_telemetry/) Fedora Wiki on the proposal (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Telemetry) Endless OS's optional telemetry (https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2023/07/05/endless-oss-privacy-preserving-metrics-system/) Discussion thread (https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f40-change-request-privacy-preserving-telemetry-for-fedora-workstation-system-wide/85320/774) Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patrons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 The History of Fedora Silverblue Multiple Bootable Roots (https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/OSTree/NixOSComparison) From GUADEC 2012 - OSTree (https://lwn.net/Articles/511877/#walters) Gnome Continuous (https://wiki.gnome.org/Attic/GnomeContinuous) Walters described (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0ZEHPXJ9Q) OSTree as "a magic formula." March 20, 2013 - Docker is born (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)) CoreOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_Linux) sees its first public release in October of 2013. Red Hat official inclusion (https://web.archive.org/web/20131128171128/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2013/11/26/rhel6-5-ga/) of Docker with RHEL 6.5 April 2014 - Project Atomic (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/announcing-project-atomic/) The actual distro building was left (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/05/the-difference-between-project-atomic-and-atomic-hosts/) to the actual distro projects. Instructions to build on top of Fedora 20 (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/04/build-your-own-atomic-host-on-fedora-20/) CENTOS and RHEL partner (https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html) which began the journey to Atomic Host (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/06/centos-atomic-host-sig-propposed/). A Fedora Atomic Host installable ISO becomes available (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/07/new-fedora-atomic-installable-iso/) based on Rawhide. August 2014 - CentOS Atomic Host alpha builds were available (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/08/centos-7-alpha-builds-for-atomic/). December 2014 - Fedora 21 releases with Atomic Host images (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2014/12/fedora-21-goes-gold-with-atomic-images/). March 2015 - Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host released (https://web.archive.org/web/20150312173742/http://developerblog.redhat.com/2015/03/05/announcement-rhel-atomic-host-ga/). July 2015 - Package layering (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2016/07/hacking-and-extending-atomic-host/) was introduced. Atomic Hosts came and went, including (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Two_Week_Atomic) bi-weekly releases (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2015/12/fedora-atomic-host-two-week-release-ready/) 2016 - XDG-App was renamed Flatpak (https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/flatpak/2016-May/000204.html). 2018 - CoreOS Docker platform was acquired by Red Hat (https://www.redhat.com/en/about/press-releases/red-hat-acquire-coreos-expanding-its-kubernetes-and-containers-leadership) in January. It became, Red Hat CoreOS (https://projectatomic.io/blog/2018/05/welcome-redhat-coreos/). The Fedora flavor would live on as... Team Silverblue (https://web.archive.org/web/20180505090226/https://www.teamsilverblue.org/). The domain name and handles around the web were available (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/_attachments/team-silverblue-origins.pdf) It was almost called Silverleaf (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/faq/) October 30, 2018 - Fedora 29 was released (https://web.archive.org/web/20190407211446/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/) with a Silverblue variant. Matthew Miller on Fedora Magazine noted (https://fedoramagazine.org/announcing-fedora-29/). The Fedora Council made the decision (https://web.archive.org/web/20191121020222/https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedoras-strategic-direction-an-update-from-the-council/796) to tighten things up regarding naming. 2019 - Fedora 30 and the Silverblue variant were released (https://web.archive.org/web/20201201201318/https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/) 2021 - Silverblue 35 in November, Fedora Kinoite (https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/) appears. 2023 - Silverblue 38 in April, Fedora Sericea (https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/) appears. Further Reading Fedora Silverblue Technical information (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/) rpm-ostree documentation (https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/) Vanilla OS documentation (https://documentation.vanillaos.org/) ABRoot (https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot) blendOS documentation (https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro) libostree (https://ostreedev.github.io/ostree/) Sodalite (https://github.com/sodaliterocks/) Bazzite (https://bazzite.gg/) Universal Blue (https://universal-blue.org/) More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Next Time Some topics and some feedback. Our next distro isn't a distro, what? We plan to explore and provide the history of CDE or Common Desktop Environment (https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User A.J. Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince

Coming up in this episode * Immutability is confusing * Going the wrong WEI (or W-E-I) * Reverb Focus * Hardware Focus * And Gentoo Focus 0:00 Cold Open 1:34 Immutability Is Confusing 21:25 Going the Wrong WEI 40:55 Reverb Focus 45:56 Community Focus 51:09 Gentoo Focus 1:29:25 Next Time 1:31:02 Stinger The video version (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_89_OFjgdk) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q89OFjgdk Banter Fedora Silverblue Technical information (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/technical-information/) rpm-ostree documentation (https://coreos.github.io/rpm-ostree/) Vanilla OS documentation (https://documentation.vanillaos.org/) ABRoot (https://github.com/Vanilla-OS/ABRoot) blendOS documentation (https://docs.blendos.co/docs/intro) Announcements This program was made possible by: * 📺️Youtube (https://youtube.com/linuxuserspace) * 📽️TILvids (https://tilvids.com/a/linuxuserspace) * And by contributions to your L-U-S station by Patreons (https://patreon.com/linuxuserspace) like you 😍 Web Environment Integrity 2015 - AMP (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Mobile_Pages) 2019 - Google proposed Web Bundles (https://developer.chrome.com/docs/web-platform/web-bundles/) 2021 - Google weakened the power of extensions (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening) May 2022 - First party sets were introduced through the W3C by Google but in June 2022, the W3C decided to drop the idea (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacycg/2022Jun/0003.html). April 24, 2023 - The original Google WEI proposal post (https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/blob/main/explainer.md) July 24, 2023 - Mozilla's rebuke (https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/852#issuecomment-1648820747) July 25, 2023 - Vivaldi's rebuke (https://vivaldi.com/blog/googles-new-dangerous-web-environment-integrity-spec/) August 1, 2023 - Brave's rebuke (https://brave.com/web-standards-at-brave/9-web-environment-integrity/) August 8, 2023 - The EFF rebuke (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/08/your-computer-should-say-what-you-tell-it-say-1) More Announcements Want to have a topic covered or have some feedback? - send us an email, contact@linuxuserspace.show OR jump on over to the open forum on Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show/c/forum) Reverb Focus, all about the feedback. Lily https://blanc.pages.dev/debian-codenames-toy-story-characters/ Hackerdefo I have created a few useful (hopefully) gists related to Debian sources.list files and Debian download links. Here are links to those gists, https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/98701fbf746c8216e77a65002f7a0dab https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/5e1f51fa93ff37871b9ff738b05ba30f https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/1599cb664cc3c2f125a45248d9c6c71d https://gist.github.com/hakerdefo/124a37ca927018f8b52a72e316d160fa My Blog -> https://hakerdefo.github.io My Projects -> https://github.com/hakerdefo Housekeeping Catch these and other great topics as they unfold on our Subreddit or our News channel on Discord. * 🗞️ Linux User Space Lemmy (https://lemmy.linuxuserspace.show) * 📰 Linux User Space subreddit (https://linuxuserspace.show/reddit) * ⌨️ Linux User Space Discord Server (https://linuxuserspace.show/discord) * 📲 Linux User Space Telegram (https://linuxuserspace.show/telegram) * ✉️ Linux User Space Matrix (https://linuxuserspace.show/matrix) * 📽️ Linux User Space Twitch (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitch) * 🐘 Linux User Space Mastodon (https://linuxuserspace.show/mastodon) * 📜 Linux User Space Twitter (https://linuxuserspace.show/twitter) * 📺️ Linux User Space TILVids (https://linuxuserspace.show/tilvids) Community Focus - Hardware Haven (https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven) YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@HardwareHaven) Discord (https://discord.gg/25a6qVdSMh) Gentoo Focus use https://packages.gentoo.org read the news - eselect news read new pay attention to profile selection (https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Profile_(Portage)) Next Time The history of the Fedora Immutable Desktops so Fedora Silverblue (https://fedoraproject.org/silverblue/) or Fedora Kinoite (https://fedoraproject.org/kinoite/) or Fedora Sericea (https://fedoraproject.org/sericea/). Come back in two weeks for more Linux User Space Stay tuned 📡 and interact with us on Lemmy, Twitter, Mastodon, Telegram, Matrix, Discord whatever. Give us your suggestions on our subreddit r/LinuxUserSpace Join the conversation. Talk to us, and give us more ideas. All the links in the show notes and on linuxuserspace.show. We would like to acknowledge 🤩 our top patrons. Thank you 🙏 for your support! Producer Bruno Dave John Johnny Co-Producer Tim Super User Advait CubicleNate Eduardo S. Hausken Jill and Steve Larry LiNuXsys666 Livet Musical Coder Nicholas Nick sleepyeyesvince