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Welcome to "Echoes of Valor: Podcasting 'Masters of the Air,'" a collaborative endeavor proudly presented by The World War II Foundation and the National Museum of the Mighty Eighth Air Force. As we launch this episode, we're seizing the opportunity presented by the global premiere of "Masters of the Air" on Apple TV+.  This groundbreaking series, reminiscent of "Band of Brothers" and "The Pacific," has captured global acclaim and attention.  

With each episode, you'll hear from guests with deep expertise in military service, history, filmmaking, and broadcasting. Every week your host, retired Army Special Forces Colonel Tom Rendall, interviews an esteemed panel of subject matter experts to explore and provide context to the series as you view it. 

Joining us in this episode are LtCol Jay Stout (USMC, Ret.), a retired Marine Corps fighter pilot who has logged in more than 4,500 flight hours and 37 combat missions during Operation Desert Storm.  He is also the accomplished author of thirteen books that shed light on military aviation and World War II heroics.  Also joining us is Chris Kolakowski, the Director of the Wisconsin Veterans Museum and an internationally respected historian covering the Civil War to World War II. His latest work relates the personal war diary of Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr. Together, we embark on a journey through time to experience the captivating stories and experiences of those who served during this pivotal period in history. 

This episode is dedicated to Colonel Roger Donlon (USA, Ret), our nation's first Medal of Honor recipient during the Vietnam War, and the first Army Special Forces Medal of Honor recipient, who passed away on the day of this recording.

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Disclaimer: This podcast, titled 'Echoes of Valor: Podcasting Masters of the Air'—a collaborative production by the World War II Foundation and the National Museum of the Mighty Eighth Air Force, is an independent, unofficial companion commentary and is not affiliated with, authorized, maintained, sponsored, or endorsed by the creators or producers of the Apple TV+ miniseries 'Masters of the Air' or any of its affiliates. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the podcast creators and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the producers or creators of 'Masters of the Air.' All content provided in this podcast is for informational, educational, and entertainment purposes only. 'Echoes of Valor: Podcasting Masters of the Air' does not utilize any proprietary audio, visual, or narrative elements from the 'Masters of the Air' miniseries. This podcast is intended to offer commentary, critique, context, and analysis of the themes, content, and production of the miniseries and is protected under fair use doctrine.

Bryan Ungard is the Chief Purpose Officer at Decurion. Decurion is a parent company of a number of businesses, including movie theatres, real estate and senior living, but it's less famous for what it does and more for why and how it does it (as featured in the book “An Everyone Culture”). We talk about Deliberately Developmental Organisations, Bryan’s thoughts on why feedback can be dangerous, what he makes of the trend towards self-managing organisations, and how we can help our organisations become more conscious.

How to follow Bryan:

• Twitter: @ungard

Resources:

• The book “An Everyone Culture”
• Decurion’s website
• Carol Sanford’s website (author of “No More Feedback” and “The Regenerative Business”)

Meg Lightheart is a leadership and presentation coach and helps organisations become more inclusive and agile. Meg shares what she’s learned from her research, work, and her own personal experiences as a trans woman about topics like leadership, adult development, and diversity, equity and inclusion. It’s an insightful and thoughtful conversation full of humour and heart.

Follow Meg:

• Twitter: @megalightheart

Resources:

• Meg’s website
• Book: In Over Our Heads: The Mental Demands of Modern Life by Robert Kegan
• Book: Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge
• Article: Seven Transformations of Leadership by David Rooke and Bill Torbert
• Theory U levels of listening

Scientist, programmer, and author David Chapman talks with Michael W. Taft about metarationality, emptiness and form, nihilism, tantrism, dzogchen, Kegan’s stages of development applied to meditation, vampire romance novels, and the importance of being able to switch reality tunnels.

David Chapman is a writer, computer scientist, engineer, and Buddhist practitioner. He’s been practicing Vajrayana Buddhism in the Aro Ter tradition for 20 years. David is a leading proponent of metarationality—a subject we’ll go into in some depth in this episode—and writes about it on his website Meaningness.com.

Show notes

1:43 – What is metarationality?

2:45 – What happens when you run off the edge of the map?

4:44 – Pattern and nebulosity, emptiness and form

6:45 – Story of scientist Barbara McClintock, and epicycles

13:30 – Donald Schön & design creativity

14:37 – Ways to deal with system failure, Nihilism

17:28 – Timothy Leary & Robert Anton Wilson, switching between reality tunnels

20:22 – Is metarationality just a larger rationality?

22:15 – David’s vampire romance novel, Ken Wilber’s novel Boomeritis

23:38 – What does metarationality have to do with meditation and Buddhism?

24:27 – Seeing the relationship between thought and reality

27:57 – Metarationality as a signpost of deep awakening

30:31 – Dzogchen and Advaita – are practices of view simply indoctrination?

32:17 – Metarationality as a path beyond postmodernism

33:09 – Fundamentalism as a huge LARP, Eternalism vs. Nihilism

36:06 – Spiral dynamics & Robert Kegan’s stages of adult development Link to Wilber/Kegan dialog (Warning: behind a paywall)

41:20 – What a Kegan Stage 3 group looks like in American Buddhist sanghas

43:23 – Transitioning to Stage 4, examples in relation to Buddhist practice and sanghas

44:22 – The edge of the map and the lack of support for Stage 5 in Buddhist communities

46:22 – Kegan Stage 4.5, rejecting systems for their limitations, and how to get to Stage 5

47:25 – The importance of intersubjectivity

49:20 – Future echoes of David’s teaching of metarationality

50:21 – Engaging metarationality in ways that don’t involve meditation, Bongard problems, and the word “intuition”

54:33 – Vipassana techniques for generating intuition

57:43 – Do we need gurus/lamas to transmit deep understanding?

1:04:20 – Students covering up their teacher’s crimes

1:05:33 – The desire to be metarational and the dangers of self-diagnosing your Kegan stage

1:07:54 – David’s background in artificial intelligence and philosophy

1:10:19 – Is AI dangerous?

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