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    Liz Christo of Stage 2 Capital shares how your go-to-market strategy should shift during a recession

    Liz Christo of Stage 2 Capital shares how your go-to-market strategy should shift during a recession

    Stage 2 Capital Partner Liz Christo joins Kimia Hamidi on Recession-Proof this week to share why she sees the economic downturn as an opportunity for businesses to optimize their go-to-market strategy. Liz has 14 years experience in sales, and has recently  transitioned to angel investor, partner, and GTM advisor for multiple start-ups such as Gradient Works, QuotaPath, Gappify, Writer, and Vergo.

    Liz and Kimia discuss:

    • The effect downturns can have on your GTM team
    • Shifting from founder-led sales to a your first sales hire
    • How to create a comp plan that drives behavioral change


    Key takeaways

    • Liz shares that during a recession, companies need to resort back to business fundamentals to identify leading indicators, shore up their existing customer base and ensure they have clarity on potential customer churn.

      “There are the very basics of building a business, and it starts with actually identifying what your leading indicators are. Most track revenue and lagging indicators like results and output of the activity. We try to gear everybody to think a bit earlier than that. So rather than waiting to see if your largest customer renews 12 months from now, what things can we track now to understand whether that client is happy, engaging with your product, and activated in the way you expect?”

    • In times of economic prosperity, experimentation is a must. In times of recession, companies should be more thoughtful: you can now longer spend unreasonably. To experiment, you must have a clear hypothesis, timeline and budget, and test one idea at a time.

    “I always think people should be experimenting. But it's a question and trade-off of resources. So the companies stop thinking about growth at all costs. And so you're doing the work first to understand what basis you have? What are these proven routes to revenue? How can we exploit them? And then any incremental time, resources, energy, and money you have can be pointed at experimentation”

    • In terms of sales incentives, compensation plans drive the behavior change in teams and, respectively, the dynamic of your business. They should be simple, easy to understand, and designed according to the behavior you want to drive. 

    “The great thing about salespeople is they do what you pay them to do. The terrible thing about salespeople is they do what you pay them to do. And so, if you put it in that context, your compensation plan can drive a lot of behavioral change”

    • Shifting your company from founder-led sales to building up a sales team is a matter of developing people and operations. On the people side, your first hire should be a jack of all things revenue and an avid student. On the operational side, start by documenting what is working and constantly adapt your sales playbook as you learn.

    “When I think about the first sales hire, the first go-to-market hire, it's a mix of things. But we often look for somebody who can play a little bit of everything. They need to be able to do some prospecting, they need to be able to close new business, do a little bit of the CS work, they might do a little bit of that early process building the very early stuff. It needs to be somebody who's a bit of a jack-of-all-trades”

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    Why Geoffrey Woo of Anti Fund is telling startups to stick to the fundamentals

    Why Geoffrey Woo of Anti Fund is telling startups to stick to the fundamentals

    What do WhatsApp, Groupon and Uber have in common?

    They all started during the 08/09 recession.

    Geoffrey Woo, Co-founder and Partner of Anti Fund Investment Fund, believes a great business doesn’t need perfect economic conditions to launch: “it all starts with a core problem that you solve for your ideal customer.” 

    In this episode of Recession-Proof, Geoffrey shares his fundamental startup principles that every entrepreneur should learn and how business owners can create an appealing narrative that will grab people's attention.

    In this episode, Geoffrey and Kimia discuss:

    • Startup fundamentals
    • How your business should prepare for a recession
    • Why your business needs an appealing narrative
    • How Geoffrey de-risks new business ventures


    Focusing on business essentials

    An early-stage business operator should not bother with macro. It's impossible to track all market changes and come up with precise scenarios for each outcome. Better to focus on building a product people want and getting your first customers. Also, make sure you offer a product or service that is better and or cheaper than anyone else in the market.

    “Just focus on making something people want and just focus on the fundamentals”


    Create your narrative

    Your product might be a game-changer. But if you don’t choose the right market and tell a story that will appeal to the emotions of your ideal customer, you won’t grow. Find the core narrative of your business that you want to share with the world and use tools to help you amplify and disseminate that message in the most efficient way possible.

    “The core of marketing is just a scale of positive word of mouth”


    Grabbing attention

    All companies need two basic resources to grow: capital and attention. You could theoretically raise an endless amount of capital. But attention is scarce. The max attention cap of humanity is around 8 billion people, 24 hours a day. So anything that can wield attention is increasingly powerful.

    “You want your customers to pull products from you versus you pushing products towards them”


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    How to recession-proof your marketing with Sam Mallikarjunan of OneScreen.ai

    How to recession-proof your marketing with Sam Mallikarjunan of OneScreen.ai

    Sam Mallikarjunan, Co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of OneScreen.ai, believes that in 2022, it is more important than ever for startups to be prudent about their marketing spend if they want to grow over the long term. 

    In this episode of Recession-Proof, Sam shares the power of out-of-home advertising, what you should do with your marketing budget as interest rates rise, and why every business should develop cross-functional alignment between finance, marketing, sales, and operations.

    In this episode, Sam and Alex discuss:

    • The surprising cost efficiency of OOH
    • Marketing with higher interest rates and CAC
    • How the current fundraising environment should impact your marketing budget


    Out-of-home advertising opportunities

     OneScreen.ai focuses on out-of-home advertising, a type of advertising that focuses on visual advertising seen outside of the home, such as on billboards, benches, bus shelters, etc. Though it's more complex than digital marketing, Sam notes that out-of-home has enormous potential and is extremely popular among new crypto, FinTech, and direct-to-consumer companies.

    “There's this assumption that anything that's not internet-based eventually is going to die or it's not worth spending time on. In reality, the real world is significantly more complicated”.


    Adapting your marketing budget

    Market dynamics are changing, inflation has resulted in soaring costs, and many companies are struggling. To tackle the challenge of operating in uncertain market conditions, it’s necessary to adapt to a new normal. 

    “The best weather to fight in is terrible weather”.


    Adapting to higher interest rates

    The pandemic resulted in many companies recalibrating their finances, through measures such as cost-cutting and reforecasting. But Sam believes many of these changes could have been prevented. 

    “Many people used 2020 as an excuse to forget that we are professionals and have financial operational discipline, and should know what we're doing”.


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    Welcome to Recession-Proof

    Welcome to Recession-Proof

    Season 1 of our podcast here at Ramp was filled with conversations, controversial opinions, and practical takeaways from leading finance professionals.

    We learnt a lot and judging by the feedback we received,  you did too.

    And now, we’re back!

    But with a twist…

    Season 2 is called Recession-Proof. 

    In each episode, Alex, VP of Finance & Capital Markets and Kimia, Head of Savings at Ramp host thought-provoking conversations with finance leaders, executives, and investors on the current state of the market and what this means for your business through 2022 and beyond.

    Onto our first episode...

    The macro trends of 2022 are putting tremendous pressure on businesses and more specifically, financial leaders. Higher inflation, lower investment, and budget cuts suggest that we may be heading toward a recession if we are not within one already.

    Instead of raising capital and driving growth, many are starting to rethink their strategy to increase operational efficiency and expense reduction. Recession-Proof co-hosts Kimia Hamidi, Head of Savings at Ramp and Alex Song, VP of Finance & Capital Markets, join us today to discuss how to save cash, control expenses, and still focus on growth, despite economic headwinds.

    In this episode, Kimia and Alex discuss:

    • 2022 macro dynamics
    • What makes a great business
    • When should you bring on a procurement manager
    • SaaS procurement negotiation strategies

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    FinOps Today: Closing the Books on Season 1

    FinOps Today: Closing the Books on Season 1

    Listen to hear key takeaways from finance leaders on selecting the right tools, hiring for scale, and how to prioritize strategic initiatives.

    Time Stamps:

    1:00: Patti Kangwankij of Stripe on hiring for diversity of experience

    1:49 Patti Kangwankij of Stripe on hiring leaders early

    3:14 Artem Mashkov of SwagUp’s approach of people over product

    5:16 Scott Orn of Kruze Consulting on prioritizing clients over systems

    6:57 Jonah Remz of Capchase on the transition from Quickbooks to Netsuite

    8:15 Jonah Remz on upscaling Capchase’s abilities in the FP&A space

    9:34 Aron Susman of Ro on creating a culture of trust

    11:19 Tom Egan of DivvyHomes on his career transition

    12:06 Tom Egan on the importance of hiring for complimentary skills

    13:46 Jeannie de Guzman of 1Password talks hiring for resilience

    How Joe Garafalo is reimagining today’s finance tech stack

    How Joe Garafalo is reimagining today’s finance tech stack

    Mosaic co-founder Joe Garafalo speaks with Ramp's Head of Finance Alex Song about optimizing the modern finance stack.

    Timestamps:
    2:22 The genesis of Mosaic

    5:21 Transitioning from old school tools to modern tech

    8:29 Using content to drive sales

    10:29 Where spreadsheets fall short

    11:14 Mosaic’s target persona

    13:01 How financial models drive more impactful business conversations

    14:55 How Mosaic meets the challenge of servicing international customers

    17:59 Why a controller should be your first finance hire

    22:08 On the tools that help Mosaic succeed

    26:19 What investor trends mean for companies

    29:13 Why Mosaic keeps their pricing accessible and their tool visible


    Why Aron Susman of Ro believes failure is the key to startup success

    Why Aron Susman of Ro believes failure is the key to startup success

    Aron Susman of Ro speaks with host Alex Song about the power of vulnerability and why he doesn't think an MBA is vital for advancing in finance. 

    Time Stamps:

    1:17 The origins of Ro
    5:16 How healthcare has evolved from an in person to online/at home experience
    7:51 Aron on the real mandate of a CFO
    19:25 The power of simplified communication
    22:17 The benefits of remote work
    25:22 Aron on asking for help, especially in leadership roles
    26:17 Learning and growing from failure and mistakes
    30:20 Empathy in the workplace
    33:20 Implicit versus explicit costs
    35:46 Aron on the growing into the role of a CFO and why your MBA isn’t the only path
    38:58 How Aron is combating market volatility and current headwinds
    39:56 On growing smarter not faster
    43:36 How Covid grew Ro’s business and the acceptance on tele-medicine

    How Mary Liu of Applied Intuition is betting on the future of in-office work

    How Mary Liu of Applied Intuition is betting on the future of in-office work

    Mary Liu speaks to Alex Song about why Applied Intuition believes in working from the office 5x/week and why you should fundraise when you're in a position of power. 

    Time stamps:


    Mary’s journey from capital markets to Applied Intuition: 1:15

    About Applied Intuition: 3:04

    Applied Intuition’s milestones: 6:15

    What it was like to join as the first finance hire: 8:16

    How Mary’s team is successful with only two people: 10:36

    Which functions Mary thinks can be outsourced: 13:57

    Key hires she plans to make in the near future: 17:45

    What’s in Applied Intuition’s toolkit: 20:18

    Applied Intuition’s back to office policy: 24:40

    The real reason some companies fail: 29:31

    What’s currently top of mind for Mary: 34:24

    Why she believes everyone is a recruiter: 38:01


    How Josh Reeves is navigating supply chain snarls and inflation to help Walther Farms achieve finance-led growth

    How Josh Reeves is navigating supply chain snarls and inflation to help Walther Farms achieve finance-led growth

    Josh Reeves speaks to Alex Song about supply chain snarls and how he's rethinking his inventory process. 

    Show notes


    Similarities between technology and business: 1:50

    Walther Farms’ typical customer: 5:06

    Doing finance/accounting for a farm vs other industries: 7:21

    Why agriculture has been hit especially hard by supply chain issues: 9:18

    How Josh protects his business against inflation: 11:39

    How his team has reconsidered inventory in the last few years: 12:12

    The advantage of diverse locations: 13:46

    How Josh’s finance team is organized: 15:49

    The systems that his team depends on: 19:15

    The average breakdown of his finance team’s responsibilities: 22:41

    Why Josh is excited about the future of regenerative ag: 25:44


    How Patti Kangwankij of Stripe successfully made the leap from investment banking to a SaaS rocketship

    How Patti Kangwankij of Stripe successfully made the leap from investment banking to a SaaS rocketship

    Alex speaks with Patti Kangwankij about how she successfully transitioned from investment banking to a SaaS rocketship and how she manages to think long-term while working in such a fast-paced environment. 

    Time stamps:

    Patti’s journey from corporate finance/M&A to Stripe: 0:51

    How her operational cadence changed moving from JP Morgan to Stripe: 7:37

    The early days of Stripe’s finance team: 10:33

    How a focus on diversity can benefit your team: 16:35

    Patti’s day-to-day responsibilities: 20:41

    Patti’s thoughts on product finance: 22:56

    How her team engages in long-term planning: 28:36

    Some of her favorite vendors and software: 33:20

    Stripe’s focus this year: 37:16


    How Artem Mashkov of SwagUp is investing in FinOps for a competitive edge

    How Artem Mashkov of SwagUp is investing in FinOps for a competitive edge

    Alex speaks with Artem Mashkov about how he’s structured his finance team and why he places a high priority on FinOps. 

    Time stamps:

    How SwagUp is funded: 4:58

    Artem’s background: 5:59

    How his first business survived two recessions and COVID-19: 7:27

    Why being fully remote puts all employees on equal footing: 13:02

    How SwagUp’s finance team is structured: 15:46

    Artem’s view of the FinOps landscape: 17:13 

    Why efficiency in FinOps is so important: 18:38

    How his team has been able to grow with Ramp: 28:05 

    The importance of financial education for employees: 31:01

    Why the employee is always right: 35:00


    How Tom Egan of DivvyHomes focused on FinOps to achieve high-velocity growth

    How Tom Egan of DivvyHomes focused on FinOps to achieve high-velocity growth

    Alex speaks with Tom Egan, CFO and Head of Capital Markets at DivvyHomes, about how he built out his finance team and how he's managing their FinOps function. 

    Time Stamps:


    Tom’s journey to Divvy: 1:22

    How DivvyHomes works, and the user journey: 6:02

    Where DivvyHomes operates: 9:58

    How Tom built out the finance function: 11:06

    How the finance team operates today: 16:11

    What Tom spends most of his time on today: 20:50

    How DivvyHomes manages its FinOps: 23:22

    How Tom’s team handles LLCs: 26:58

    Potential areas of improvement: 31:18

    The value of starting your audit early: 34:18

    Whether call options are accounted for on their balance sheets: 36:26


    How Scott Orn of Kruze prioritized his own systems to better serve clients

    How Scott Orn of Kruze prioritized his own systems to better serve clients

    Alex speaks with Scott Orn about the importance of truly valuing your own systems and the most critical skill for a founder to have. 

    Time Stamps:


    Scott’s journey to Kruze: 2:09

    Kruze’s product lines: 5:12

    Kruze’s typical client profile: 7:07

    When Scott and Vanessa finally brought in a CFO internally: 10:01

    The most important thing for a founder to do well: 13:11

    Why legacy cards aren’t the right fit for founders: 16:16

    Big 4 vs regional firm audits: 21:33

    Scope creep in audits: 26:16

    How Kruze handles a decentralized workforce: 28:42

    Scott’s thoughts on crypto accounting: 34:06

    Why you shouldn’t manage your company on a day to day basis: 38:37


    How Patrick Corker of Circle grew his team during a pandemic

    How Patrick Corker of Circle grew his team during a pandemic

    Alex speaks with Patrick Corker about how he scaled his team during a pandemic and Circle's upcoming strategic initiatives. 


    Time Stamps:


    4:30: How Circle’s finance team has evolved

    6:47: Patrick’s day to day responsibilities

    9:00: Circle’s major strategic initiatives

    13:08: How Circle adapted to challenges caused by the pandemic 

    17:53: The activity Patrick wishes he could spend more time on 

    23:14: The value of encouraging employees to ask questions 

    26:01: The importance of educating your auditors

    28:50: Crypto accounting pitfalls to avoid 

    31:00: How Patrick views internal hiring vs outsourcing


    How Jonah Remz of Capchase is scaling his team and expanding internationally

    How Jonah Remz of Capchase is scaling his team and expanding internationally

    Alex speaks with Jonah Remz about how he’s scaling his team and expanding internationally. 


    Highlights of this episode include:


    Jonah’s journey to Capchase (3:46)


    How Jonah scaled his team (7:04)


    Capchase’s biggest challenges (15:44)


    How Jonah views expense policies (19:23)


    Tools that help power his team’s finance operations (21:22)


    Strategies for tackling budgets (25:48)


    How Jonah is thinking about international expansion (27:52)


    Ways that Capchase manages their extra capital (29:04)


    How Jonah prioritizes extra time (31:01)


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