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In today’s episode, we chat with Kayla Craig about what it looks like to advocate for the more vulnerable people around you. As a journalist, Kayla learned the value of listening well and choosing to hear a story and act on it. As a mom, Kayla knows just how important the stories we read and tell and see in our own lives affect everything about them -- and she has some tips for adding diverse voices to your shopping list this year.

Kayla Craig is a writer and podcast producer who believes in the power of story. She writes modern prayers for moms and dads at Liturgies for Parents and her book is forthcoming with Tyndale in 2021. Kayla co-founded and hosts Upside Down Podcast, a place for conversations on faith and justice. She is a podcast producer for Sacred Ordinary Days, where she helps cultivate peace, presence, and purpose. Kayla loves deep mugs of coffee, deeper belly laughs, and even deeper questions. She and her pastor-husband Jonny live in Iowa, where they’re raising four young kids who joined their family via birth and adoption. She has two fluffy dogs and spends too much time on Instagram. Her most recent published essays are in This Is Motherhood: A Motherly Collection of Reflections + Practices and Rally: Litanies for the Lovers of Jesus and Justice. 

Kayla’s tips for diversifying your holiday decor and your bookshelves: 

1. Buy a nativity set where the figures are historically accurate and have brown skin. 
2. Buy books written by Black and brown authors. 
3. Don’t just buy books with diverse characters struggling with racial tension. Buy books that normalize the lives Black and brown people live; make sure that your kids see Black joy. 
4. Follow @hereweread on Instagram for diverse book suggestions all year long. 

Books we talked about:

Madeleine L'Engle Herself: Reflections on a Writing Life

The Jane Austen Society by Natalie Jenner 

This Is Motherhood: A Motherly Collection of Reflections + Practices

Rally: Communal Prayers for the Lovers of Jesus and Justice

Here’s where to find Kayla: 

Site: www.kaylacraig.com

Newsletter: https://kaylacraig.substack.com/

Instagram:  https://www.instagram.com/kayla_craig/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/kaylacraig

Liturgies for parents info: http://www.kaylacraig.com/liturgies-for-parents.html

Liturgies Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/liturgiesforparents/

Podcast: http://www.upsidedownpodcast.com/

Work: https://sacredordinarydays.com/pages/podcast

Goodreads: https://www.goodreads.com/kayla_craig

Here's where to find Abbie: 

Website: http://www.inkwellsandimages.com

Instagram: http://instagram.com/abbigailekriebs

Twitter: http://twitter.com/abbigailekriebs

Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/abbigailekriebs/

Facebook: http://facebook.com/inkwellsandimages

Here's where to find Ashley: 

Personal blog: http://www.ashleybrookswrites.com

Business website: http://www.brookseditorial.com

Instagram: http://instagram.com/ashleybrookswrites  

Twitter: http://twitter.com/brookseditorial

Pinterest:  http://pinterest.com/brookseditorial

It’s Complicated. The more we learn about the suffering of the world, the more difficult it can become to live in it. Join host Lindsy Wallace along with co-hosts Kayla Craig, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto, to unpack living as engaged, thoughtful, neighbor-loving humans in a world where every choice has unintended, and possibly unknown, consequences. 

In this episode, we:

• Share examples of complication in our lives
• Unpack where we go from learning of the complications that surround us
• Get technical discussing cognitive dissonance
• Discuss how we protect against overwhelm that results in paralyzation
• Look to the life of Jesus to teach us what it means to be human in a complicated world

Join us as we acknowledge the privilege of embracing the complicated pieces of our own worlds while working to balance this with the compassionate love we can offer back to those around us. May we be people who learn how to recognize the complications around us and from that, walk with humility on the road to solidarity.  

“May we be refuge for the complicated” - Propaganda, It’s Complicated, Crooked 

Recommended reading & resources:

• D.L. Mayfield’s Christ + Pop Culture Recap of The Good Place
• So You Want to Talk About Race, Ijeoma Oluo
• It’s Complicated, Propaganda

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Host Kayla Craig and co-host Alissa Molina welcome Sami DiPasquale to this episode of Upside Down Podcast - Kinship at the Border. We’re moving beyond headlines to discuss how to best love our neighbors at the US/Mexico border.

Sami is Executive Director of the Ciudad Nueva Community Outreach; which seeks to embody the gospel of Jesus Christ by advancing the renewal and development of central El Paso’s Rio Grande neighborhood through the empowerment and transformation of its residents. He lives and works with his family in the Rio Grande District, a beautiful community in the heart of El Paso, Texas. Sami serves on the international board of directors of Micah Global and on the global connections committee of the Christian Community Development Association (CCDA) – networks striving for flourishing communities free from poverty and injustice. 

In this episode, we:

• Learn about Sami’s work at the U.S./Mexico border
• Explore how the work is possible while avoiding a savior complex
• Unpack the rhetoric we should be mindful to divesting from
• Explore how stubborn hope factors into Sami’s work
• Address practical actions we can take to come alongside our neighbors at the border.

Join us as we embrace our shared humanity and learn more about the intricacies surrounding the US/Mexico border and our immigration system. May we be people who find hope in situations much bigger than us. 

Recommended reading & resources:

• Abara
• Ciudad Nueva
• Preemptive Love Podcast: Border Response 
• Preemptive Love Podcast: Love Beyond Borders 
• PBS article: Children split at Border

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Violence permeates our society. But Shane Claiborne and Mike Martin believe we can begin preparing for the future the prophets foretold now, where swords will be converted to plows. Join us as we discuss their new book, Beating Guns, which Walter Brueggemann called, “The quintessential pro-life book if there ever was one!” When Jesus said to love your enemies, isn’t it safe to assume he meant that we shouldn’t kill them?

In this episode, we:

• Unpack personal experiences with guns and how these impact life today
• Dive into facts of American gun laws and ownership
• Hear of vigils and workshops where the gun is traded for the cross 
• Explore how we trade the second amendment for the sermon on the mount
• Seek to employ courage and imagination in love and peacemaking over war and violence
• Identify ways we can deconstruct the culture of violence that is in the DNA of the United States

Join us as we explore hope for people who are wary of violence. May we be people who love our enemies by working towards freedom to live unarmed and fearless, refusing to fight violence on its own terms.

Recommended reading & resources:

• Beating Guns 
• Live Free
• Moms Demand Action

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Hope is still possible, even when the pain of the world feels like too much. What if kindness, empathy, and compassion are the way forward? Join host Kayla Craig and co-hosts Lindsy Wallace, Alissa Molina, and Gina Ciliberto with special guest John Pavlovitz. John is a writer, pastor, and activist. 

In the past five years, John's blog Stuff That Needs To Be Said has reached a diverse worldwide audience of millions of people. In 2017 he released his first book, A Bigger Table. His second book, Hope and Other Superpowers, arrived in November of 2018.

In this episode, we:

• Unpack what “hope” and “resistance” means and how we live them in today’s world
• Explore the role that community plays in hope
• Ask how we move beyond soundbites into embodied hope
• Reconcile the temptations of apathy against savorism 
• Identify steps each of us can take right now to be the kind of person the world needs

Join us as we explore hope as resistance, pulling those threads to see how it looks like in our actual lives. May we be galvanized, encouraged, and compelled by this conversation on pressing into pain and choosing a way of hope, even when the world feels pretty hopeless.

Recommended reading & resources:

• Hope and Other Superpowers by John Pavlovitz
• John Pavlovitz

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You can’t fully explain it. But we’ve all experienced the phenomenon: Inner tugs that just won’t let us go. What are callings? How do we define vocation? Inspired by one of our first and most-popular episodes, "Hashtag Blessed," comes "Hashtag Called." Gina Ciliberto hosts a conversation on what it means to be “called” with co-hosts Alissa Molina, Kayla Craig, and Lindsy Wallace.

In this episode, we:

• Unpack what “calling” means (and doesn’t mean) to our hosts
• Ask about when vocations/callings are not so much about happily communing with God and understanding personal mission but, rather, a source of anxiety
• Wonder if (and how) it’s possible to have more than one true calling
• Explore callings as they relate to prestige or success
• See how callings come through others

Join us as we dive into that inner-pull, that haunting thing that is “a calling.”

Recommended reading & resources:

• Leonard Lopate on Calling 
• Callings: The Purpose and Passion of Work by Dave Isay
• Laura Fanucci runs the Communities of Calling Initiative for the Collegeville Institute at Saint John’s University in Minnesota. As part of her theological work on vocation, she has written To Bless Our Callings: Prayers, Poems, and Hymns to Celebrate Vocation and co-authored Living Your Discipleship: 7 Ways to Express Your Deepest Calling.

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What happens when your plans get turned upside down? What happens when you have to begin again? This two-part episode starts on a personal note and ends with exciting introductions of TWO new co-hosts! First, Upside Down Podcast founders Kayla and Lindsy share the unexpected events that happened between Jan. 6 and Feb. 6 in both of their families, sharing with vulnerability and heart as they process their grief along with their hopes, reflecting on endings and beginnings. Then, they look ahead to the future of Upside Down Podcast, introducing new co-hosts for the coming season, Alissa Molina and Gina Ciliberto!

Upside Down Podcast is an ecumenical podcast, bridging the divide between Catholic and Protestant thought, and we're grateful to welcome our Catholic sisters Alissa and Gina to the digital table!

Meet Gina: Gina spends a lot of time with nuns as the mission promoter for the Dominican Sisters of Hope. When she's not learning about the sisters' radical take on God, she's writing about food, travel, and justice on a freelance basis.

In her spare time, she can be found snuggling foster bulldogs, exploring NYC, helping to run her local CSA, and hosting friends in her Bronx apartment.

Meet Alissa: Alissa loves being a wife and mom.  Her family of seven lives just outside of Austin, Texas where in between packing lunches and finding matching socks, she thinks a lot about how to become a saint by loving well. 

Alissa has learned more and more to revel in the little things that add up to fill big spaces. Things like kitchen dance parties, family movie nights, coffee with a friend, and at-home dates are among her very favorites.

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What is ethical storytelling? Why is it important to allow others to tell their own stories? In this thought-provoking episode, we're back from our hiatus to do a deep dive into what to consider when sharing the stories of others in a way that honors their dignity. Kayla Craig hosts with Lindsy Wallace and guests Dr. Melissa Borja and refugee advocate podcaster Jacob Mau.

Melissa Borja, a core faculty member in the Asian/Pacific Islander American Studies Program at the University of Michigan, earned a PhD and MPhil in history from Columbia University, in addition to an MA in history from the University of Chicago and an AB in history from Harvard. She researches migration, religion, politics, race, and ethnicity.

Because Jacob Mau believes in the power of the voices and stories of displaced people, he created a podcast called Beyond Soundbites, a six-episode series that calls refugee supporters to an ongoing search for the personhood of refugees, the meaning of home, and the presence of God in stories of displacement.

In this episode, we:

• Ask what it means to "magnify" and "amplify" stories.
• Peel back how storytelling is significant and is approached differently by people doing different types of work—for example, oral historians like Melissa, advocates like Jacob, journalists like Kayla, and people working in ministry like Lindsy.
• Discuss the importance of thinking carefully about the position and context of both the storyteller and the audience, and the (sometimes unequal) relations of power that can complicate their relationship.
• Dive into the sacred aspects of storytelling and story-listening - as Melissa says, “the grace of listening to another’s story” and the powerful spiritual act of simply being present for people who are sharing their story.

In this episode, we ask:

• What does it mean to tell "ethical" stories?
• How can we place others as the subject -- not the object -- of stories?
• Why is it true that in justice work, we show ourselves as the victim, or the hero, but rarely the perpetrator?
• What guidelines do you follow when sharing others' stories?
• What do we do with the phrase "voice for the voiceless?"

Discussion questions to ask yourself + others:

• There’s been some talk about performative social justice, and that’s something we've seen played out on Instagram, if we're honest, with our friends, and if we're really honest, sometimes with ourselves. Why is there an urge to do this, sometimes even under the guise of humility? How can we protect ourselves against this? What questions should we ask ourselves?
• Are we okay with experiencing connection and NOT sharing? Does everything have to be shared?
• How do we incorporate God’s word and our faith into storytelling in respectful, kind ways?
• How do we avoid centering ourselves?
• When have you made a storytelling mistake? What did you learn from it?

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What does "representation matters" mean? Ryan Tolbert of Tru-Colour Bandages joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss what representation is, why it matters, their own representation experiences, and how they believe a kinder, more inclusive planet is in our future.

In this episode, we:

• Learn the Tru-Colour Bandages origin story;
• Unpack what it means to say “representation matters”;
• Share our own personal representation experiences;
• Learn about the relationship between representation and diversity;
• Discuss how we can increase the diversity in our lives.

Join us as we explore how representation and diversity benefit all of us.

Recommended reading & resources:

Visit: Trucolourbandages.com
Shop: Tru-Colour Bandages at Target
Watch: W. Kamau Bell's Netflix Special, "Private School Negro"
Watch: Chris Rock's Documentary "Good Hair"
Listen: Once Upon a Time in Wakanda

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• @tcbandages
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Consumption! Capitalism! Consumerism! Christmas! We’re hitting pause and engaging the heart of consumption, capitalism, consumerism and most importantly, the heart of Christmas. What does it mean to celebrate the birth of Jesus, a poor kid from Nazareth who learned his father’s trade and had nowhere to lay his head? Ashley Hales and Shannan Martin join us as we ask: How do we opt out of the glitz and glitter around us to make space in our homes for the baby Messiah born in a manger?

Shannan Martin, author of “The Ministry of Ordinary Places,” is a speaker, blogger, wife, and mom of four. Ashley Hales is a writer, speaker, pastor’s wife, and mother of four. She is the author of “Finding Holy in the Suburbs: Living Faithfully in the Land of Too Much.” Ashley and Shannan join Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace for a conversation about staying Christ-centered in a season of excess.

In this episode, we:

• Share how the life of Christ influences our approach to celebrating the Christmas holiday;
• Discuss whether modern capitalism is compatible with Christian living;
• Share how we mindfully engage in gift-giving; and
• Think about how we can emulate the life of Christ as consumers.

Join us as we discuss how we can celebrate Christmas in a capitalistic society while emulating the life of Jesus.

Recommended reading & resources:

• “Finding Holy in the Suburbs” by Ashley Hales
• “The Ministry of Ordinary Places” and “Falling Free” by Shannan Martin
• The Pray as You Go app and podcast
• Shannan Martin’s 12 Ways of Christmas
• Adventconspiracy.org and @adventconspiracy
• The Blessed is She Advent devotional
• Walter Brueggeman’s two Advent devotionals
• Listen to our conversation on ethical fashion with Lauren Pinkston of Wearthy (episode #32).

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Find Ashley on Instagram: @aahales

Find Shannan on Instagram: @shannanwrites

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Get ready for a very special conversation with Father Gregory Boyle, founder of Homeboy Industries, the largest gang intervention, rehab and re-entry program in the United States. Father G sat down with Kayla Craig during his visit to Iowa to discuss kinship, compassion, and hope in suffering. We welcome you into this intimate conversation. Soak up Father G's tender, funny, and compassionate wisdom from years living a faithful life of kinship with those on the margins.

As CEO of Homeboy Industries, Father Gregory Boyle has dedicated his life to loving L.A.'s most marginalized individuals. Homeboy Industries started in 1988 and employs and trains former gang members in a range of social enterprises, as well as provides critical services to 15,000 men and women who walk through its doors every year seeking a better life. Father G has become a beloved beacon of hope around the world and after this episode, you'll know why.

In this episode, we: 

• Peel back the layers of prayer in the midst of suffering.
• Discuss the holy act of being in awe of others.
• Reflect on God's silence in our pain.
• Consider God's extravagant love.
• Dive into Father G's thoughts on burnout and self-care (it's probably not what you think).

Join us as we hear words of wisdom from Father G, who generously shares his heart with us and answers all of our nosy questions. He also lets us know what books he's reading lately!

Recommended reading & resources:

• Barking to the Choir: The Power of Radical Kinship, Gregory Boyle
• Tattoos on the Heart: The Power of Boundless Compassion, Gregory Boyle
• homeboyindustries.org

Immigration has become a polarizing and politicized topic in our country and our world. Demeaning phrases and overwhelming statistics are thrown around with frightening ease and often it seems we have forgotten that we are talking about people. We’ve invited today’s guest, Sarah Quezada, to remind us of the humanness of immigration. 

Sarah is a writer and nonprofit professional in Atlanta, Georgia, with more than a decade of experience working across cultures and leading conversations about justice, faith, and serving among the poor. Sarah joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace for a conversation about the upside down response to immigration.

In this episode, we:

• Share our early encounters with (and thoughts about) immigrants;
• Hear Sarah’s stories from the border; 
• Dispel common misconceptions about immigration;
• Learn how we can engage with people who have different views; and 
• Reflect on how we can be more welcoming.

Join us as we learn how we can better love our neighbors and work toward justice, peace, and reconciliation.

Recommended reading & resources:

- “Love Undocumented: Risking Trust in a Fearful World” by Sarah Quezada

- Sarah’s weekly newsletter: The Road Map

- Listen to our conversation with Salem Afangideh, immigration attorney and Nigerian immigrant (episode #19).

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@sarahquezada

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We're excited to share our first episode ever recorded with a live audience, recorded at the Upside Down Gathering on Sept. 21. In this conversation, we dive into the tension between faith deconstruction and reconstruction, guided by professional counselor and friend of the podcast Aundi Kolber. Kayla Craig, Lindsy Wallace, and Shannon Evans open up about their own faith journeys in this special episode.

In this episode, we tackle the questions:

• What was your faith upbringing like? What have pivotal points been in your journey?
• What has deconstruction of faith looked like for you? Why is reconstruction important?
• What books, thoughts, or spiritual leaders have helped shape your faith?
• Do you consider yourself an evangelical?
• How has your view of God changed?

Join us as we share our honest experiences inside and outside of the church, reflecting on how our Christian faith has been shaped, molded, broken down, and built up on this long and winding journey with Jesus.

Recommended reading & resources:

To learn more about Kayla, Lindsy, and Shannon’s faith journeys, check out episodes #8, #9, and #12. To learn more about Aundi’s work, listen to episode #36 on mental health.

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Visit our guest moderator Aundi on Instagram: @aundikolber

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We talk vulnerability with Mandy Smith, lead pastor of University Christian Church, a campus and neighborhood congregation with its own fair-trade café in Cincinnati.

Mandy is a regular contributor to Christianity Today and Missio Alliance and the author of “The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry.” She also is the director of Missio Alliance’s SheLeads Summit: ChurchTogether and creator of The Collect, a citywide trash-to-art project. Mandy joins hosts Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to examine a spiritual view of vulnerability, finding hope within the prophetic imagination.

In this episode, we:

- Learn from Mandy about how vulnerability shapes our creativity, casts a new vision for how the church views gender, and how we can reconstruct our own faith

Talk about what to believe when we think God has made a mistake in his callings

Discuss the healing power of creating art from trash

Create space for others to be human and for God to be God.

Join us as we hear words of wisdom from Mandy, who has a soft pastor heart and brilliant mind.

Recommended reading & resources: “The Vulnerable Pastor: How Human Limitations Empower Our Ministry” by Mandy Smith Missio Alliance: http://www.missioalliance.org/author/mandysmith/ “The Surprising Solution When Gender Dynamics Seem to Be Destroying the Church,” by Mandy Smith:https://www.missioalliance.org/the-surprising-solution-when-gender-dynamics-seem-to-be-destroying-the-church/

News & Notes: - Thank you for joining us at the Upside Down Gathering! - Join Mandy Smith on Nov. 10 at the Church Together Summit. We’ll hear not only how God has revealed new ways to understand gender, but also how God is revealing new depths of the Gospel. The panel will be made up of pairs of male-female ministry partners, sharing the challenges and joys of ministering together. Join us onsite at PazNaz in Southern California, or attend one of the streaming sites around the country: https://www.churchtogethersummit.org/.

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We kick off season three with an extra special conversation with one of our friends at Preemptive Love Coalition! Jessica Courtney, co-founder and Vice President of International Programs for Preemptive Love Coalition, joins Kayla Craig and Lindsy Wallace to discuss unmaking violence and pursuing a more beautiful world. With heart and humility, Jessica shares her personal stories of what it’s like to learn from her Iraqi neighbors.

In this episode, we:

Learn about PLC’s history and how the organization has evolved;Hear why Jessica and her family decided to move to Iraq, despite the risks;Share how we can hold onto hope in a volatile and scary world; andLearn how we can get involved in PLC’s mission.

Recommended reading & resources:

Support PLC: https://www.purecharity.com/preemptivelove“Cynical” song by Propaganda: https://genius.com/Propaganda-cynical-lyrics“Preemptive Love: Pursuing Peace One Heart at a Time” book by Jeremy Courtney

News & Notes:

We’re excited to see many of you in Chicago on Sept. 21-22 for our first-ever live event, The Upside Down Gathering! We’ll be joined by Preemptive Love Coalition’s key relationships officer Diana Oestreich, who will share more stories about unmaking violence and lead us all toward a posture of peace. Even if you didn’t get a ticket, if you live in or near Chicago, you’re still welcome to join us on Saturday night, for a free concert with Micah Bournes. Follow us on Instagram throughout the weekend for behind-the-scenes content!

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