087 | Avatar ft. Chris Ridings

Connor & Jon once again dip into the deep well of Indiana Jones to discuss Spielberg's ward's attempt to make an action-adventure film. Together the two examine what separates Indy from it's rip-offs, why the adventure genre is so hard to tackle, and Walt Disney's famous last words..."Kurt Russell!"

WARNING: Major spoilers for Romancing the Stone, Raiders of the Lost Ark, & Contact

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• Romancing the Stone (1984) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• A Fistful of Dollars (1964) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• Super 8 (2011) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Forrest Gump (1994) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• The Lost City (2022) | Dir. Aaron & Adam Nee
• The Princess Bride (1987) | Dir. Rob Reiner
• Tomb Raider (2018) | Dir. Roar Uthaug
• Uncharted (2022) | Dir. Ruben Fleischer
• Six Days Seven Nights (1998) | Dir. Ivan Reitman
• E.T. (1982) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Jaws (1975) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• House (1977) | Dir. Nobuhiko Obayashi
• Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (2023) | Dir. James Mangold
• Ford v Ferrari (2019) | Dir. James Mangold
• Air (2023) | Dir. Ben Affleck
• Jurassic Park (1993) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Cast Away (2000) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Back to the Future (1985) | Dir. Robert Zebecks
• Forrest Gump (1994) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• The Polar Express (2004) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Flight (2012) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Allied (2016) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Witches (2020) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• The Walk (2015) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) | Dir. John Hughes
• Ghostbusters (1984) | Dir. Ivan Reitman
• Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Jungle Cruise (2021) | Dir. Jaume Collet-Serra
• The Jewel of the Nile (1985) | Dir. Lewis Teague
• The Thief and the Cobbler (1993) | Dir. Richard Williams
• An American Tail (1986) | Dir. Don Bluth
• All Dogs Go to Heaven (1989) | Dir. Don Bluth, Gary Goldman, Dan Kuenster
• The Land Before Time (1988) | Dir. Don Bluth
• Psycho (1998) | Dir. Gus Van Sant
• The Sixth Sense (1999) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• What Lies Beneath (2000) | Dir. Robert Zemeckis
• Disturbia (2007) | Dir. D.J. Caruso
• Mars Needs Moms (2011) | Dir. Simon Wells
• Strange World (2022) | Dir. Don Hall & Qui Nguyen
• Lightyear (2022) | Dir. Angus MacLane
• John Carter (2012) | Dir. Andrew Stanton
• The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1969) | Dir. Robert Butler

It's hard to believe that this show has been running for five years now. Connor, Jon, and Riley meet up to talk about the history and development of the show, some of their favorite and least favorite episodes, and even some trivia about the most popular elements of Rules of the Frame. Special thank you to you listeners, for making this show possible, sending in your feedback, and for just being incredible!

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It's our 100th episode, so we're bringing the whole gang back together. Join Connor, Jon, and Riley as they discuss Jean Renoir's masterpiece, the namesake of the show, The Rules of the Game. Connor adores the camera movements and staging, Jon tries to dissect the cultural elements, and Riley asks THE question "what makes a movie good?"

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Rules of the Game

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Rules of the Game (1939) | Dir. Jean Renoir
• La Chienne (1931) | Dir. Jean Renoir
• The Human Beast (1938) | Dir. Jean Renoir
• The Grand Illusion (1937 ) | Dir. Jean Renoir
• The Wizard of Oz (1939) | Dir. Victor Fleming & King Vidor
• Citizen Kane (1941) | Dir. Orson Welles
• Gone with the Wind (1939) | Dir. Victor Fleming, George Cukor, & Sam Wood
• Casablanca (1942) | Dir. Michael Curtiz
• The Matrix (1999) | Dir. Lily & Lana Wachowski
• Picnic at Hanging Rock (1975) | Dir. Peter Weir
• The Sixth Sense (1999) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan

Connor & Jon get sent to space prison or Manhattan prison as they examine the weird Euro-action b-movie Lockout, and it's definite point of inspiration Escape from New York. They examine the actual legal action that was taken against Lockout and decipher how original of an idea did Luc Besson have? Jon thinks there's a better bad movie that could have been made, Connor is annoyed at the rules of space this film breaks, and both question the place of Snake Plissken in 80s' and modern action films.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Escape from New York & Lockout, minor spoilers for Big Trouble in Little China & Predator

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Lockout (2012) | Dir. James Mather & Steve Saint Leger
• Escape from New York (1981) | Dir. John Carpenter
• A Fistful of Dollars (1964) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• Yojimbo (1961) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• Escape from L.A. (1996) | Dir. John Carpenter
• Elysium (2013) | Dir. Neil Blomkamp
• Ant-Man (2015) | Dir. Peyton Reed
• Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets (2017) | Dir. Luc Besson
• Leon: The Professional (1994) | Dir. Luc Besson
• The Fifth Element (1997) | Dir. Luc Besson
• Iron Man 3 (2013) | Dir. Shane Black
• Big Trouble in Little China (1986) | Dir. John Carpenter
• Cloverfield (2008) | Dir. Matt Reeves
• White House Down (2013) | Dir. Roland Emmerich
• Olympus Has Fallen (2013) | Dir. Antoine Fuqua
• The Fog (1980) | Dir. John Carpenter
• Halloween (1978) | Dir. John Carpenter
• Predator (1987) | Dir. John McTiernan
• Taken (2008) | Dir. Pierre Morel
• John Wick (2014) | Dir. Chad Stahelski & David Leitch
• Blade Runner (1982) | Dir. Ridley Scott

Connor & Jon mosey on down to the ol' West/feudal Japan to consume one of the greatest spaghetti Westerns of all time: A Fistful of Dollars! Since there was a legal dispute over this film, does it automatically make it a rip off of Yojimbo? Connor gets way too worked up over a Rotten Tomatoes Top 100 list, Jon wants to propose to Morricone's score, and the two try to hold the show together through Covid and technical malfunctions.

WARNING: Major spoilers for A Fistful of Dollars and Yojimbo

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• A Fistful of Dollars (1964) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• Yojimbo (1961) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• The Colossus of Rhodes (1961) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• Shane (1953) | Dir. George Stevens
• My Darling Clementine (1946) | Dir. John Ford
• For a Few Dollars More (1965) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly (1966) | Dir. Sergio Leone
• Star Wars (1977) | Dir. George Lucas
• Sanjuro (1962) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938) | Dir. Michael Curtiz & William Keighley
• Captain Blood (1935) | Dir. Michael Curtiz
• The Searchers (1956) | Dir. John Ford
• High Noon (1952) | Dir. Fred Zinnemann
• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• Ad Astra (2019) | Dir. James Gray
• Rio Bravo (1959) | Dir. Howard Hawks
• Red River (1948) | Dir. Howard Hawks & Arthur Rosson
• The Searchers (1956) | Dir. John Ford

Connor and Jon bring along fellow weird-film-enthusiast Travis Olson to discuss House. The three dig into how the studio wanted this film to be the Japanese Jaws, the incredible use of practical effects, and if this is the strangest film they've covered so far!

WARNING: Major spoilers for House, minor spoilers for Jaws

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• House (1977) | Dir. Nobuhiko Obayashi
• Jaws (1975) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Mulholland Drive (2001) | Dir. David Lynch
• Dead Alive (1992) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Bad Taste (1987) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Meet the Feebles (1989) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (2003) | Dir. Peter Weir
• Godzilla (1954) | Dir. Ishiro Honda
• Piranha II: The Spawning (1981) | Dir. James Cameron
• Piranha (1978) | Dir. Joe Dante

Connor & Jon get spooked out by Tim Burton's claymation adaptation of his short film: Frankenweenie. Jon gets freaked out by the teeth, Connor is frustrated by the Laika-esque animation, and the two just can't seem to agree on whether this film is a rip-off or a remake.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Frankenweenie and Frankenstein

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Frankenweenie (2012) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Edward Scissorhands (1990) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Frankenstein (1931) | Dir. James Whale
• The Nightmare Before Christmas (1993) | Dir. Henry Selick
• James and the Giant (1996) | Dir. Henry Selick
• Corpse Bride (2005) | Dir. Tim Burton
• E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Vincent (1982) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Frankenweenie (1984) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Pinocchio (1940) | Dir. Norman Ferguson
• Batman Returns (1992) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Beetlejuice (1988) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Young Frankenstein (1974) | Dir. Mel Brooks
• The Son of Frankenstein (1939) | Dir. Rowland V. Lee
• Ready Player One (2018) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Winnie the Pooh (2011) | Dir. Stephen J. Anderson & Don Hall
• Coraline (2009) | Dir. Henry Selick
• ParaNorman (2012) | Dir. Chris Butler & Sam Fell
• Boxtrolls (2014) | Dir. Graham Annable & Anthony Stacchi
• Big Fish (2003) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Alice in Wonderland (2010) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Planet of the Apes (2001) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Dark Shadows (2012) | Dir. Tim Burton
• John Carter (2012) | Dir. Andrew Stanton
• Super 8 (2011) | Dir. J.J. Abrams
• Kubo and the Two Strings (2016) | Dir. Travis Knight
• Blade Runner 2049 (2017) | Dir. Denis Villeneuve
• The Batman (2022) | Dir. Matt Reeves

Connor & Jon are reluctantly dragged to space as they try to decipher James Gray's opaque space road movie. The boys try to figure out how much it is inspired by Apocalypse, Now or by Heart of Darkness. Connor is amazed by the visuals, but disappointed by the outcome and Jon rags on the film the whole time.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Ad Astra and Apocalypse, Now

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Ad Astra (2019) | Dir. James Gray
• Apocalypse, Now (1979) | Dir. Francis Ford Coppola
• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• Gravity (2013) | Dir. Alfonso Cuaron
• Interstellar (2014) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• First Man (2018) | Dir. Damien Chazelle
• Moon (2009) | Dir. Duncan Jones
• Blade Runner 2049 (2017) | Dir. Denis Villeneuve
• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• Slow West (2015) | Dir. John Maclean
• The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (2007) | Dir. Andrew Dominik
• The Tree of Life (2011) | Dir. Terrence Malick
• The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) | Dir. Wes Anderson

Connor & Jon are joined by Thatcher Radler to discuss Joker and why it pulled so much from King of Comedy and Taxi Driver. Jon is bothered by the messiness of the Batman and DC universe. Connor can't stand the film's tone of uber-serious. Thatcher progressively realizes how much of a rip-off this film is.

WARNING: Major spoilers for Joker, minor spoilers for Taxi Driver & King of Comedy

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• Joker (2019) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• King of Comedy (1982) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• War Dogs (2016) | Dir. Todd Phillips
• The Batman (2022) | Dir. Matt Reeves
• Taxi Driver (1976) | Dir. Martin Scorsese
• The Dark Knight (2008) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Batman (1989) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (2019) | Dir. Quentin Tarantino
• The Village (2004) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Split (2016) | Dir. M. Night Shyamalan
• Sleepers (1996) | Dir. Barry Levinson
• The Shining (1980) | Dir. Stanley Kubrick
• Fight Club (1999) | Dir. David Fincher
• Se7en (1995) | Dir. David Fincher
• The Game (1997) | Dir. David Fincher
• Batman Begins (2005) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• The Dark Knight Rises (2012) | Dir. Christopher Nolan
• Batman Returns (1992) | Dir. Tim Burton
• Batman Forever (1995) | Dir. Joel Schumacher
• Batman & Robin (1997) | Dir. Joel Schumacher
• X2: X-Men United (2003) | Dir. Bryan Singer
• Iron Man (2008) | Dir. Jon Favreau
• Thor: Ragnarok (2017) | Dir. Taika Waititi
• Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness (2022) | Dir. Sam Raimi
• Super 8 (2011) | Dir. J.J. Abrams

Connor & Jon are joined by Dillon Worthington to figure out how well The Last Duel harnesses Rashomon's storytelling technique. Jon wonders if Scott was the right choice of director. Connor tries to figure out why they didn't let Nicole write the entire script. And Dillon ponders who this movie is for.

WARNING: Major spoilers for The Last Duel and Rashomon

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Films mentioned in this episode:

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• The Last Duel (2021) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Rashomon (1950) | Dir. Akira Kurosawa
• The Shape of Water (2017) | Dir. Guillermo Del Toro
• The Martian (2015) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Good Will Hunting (1997) | Dir. Gus Van Sant
• House of Gucci (2021) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Ready Player One (2018) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• The Post (2017) | Dir. Steven Spielberg
• Black Widow (2021) | Dir. Cate Shortland
• All the Money in the World (2017) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Blade Runner (1982) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Gladiator (2000) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Robin Hood (2010) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• The Passion of Joan of Arc (1928) | Dir. Carl Theodor Dreyer
• Kingdom of Heaven (2005) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• The Duellists (1977) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (2001-2003) | Dir. Peter Jackson
• Willow (1988) | Dir. Ron Howard
• Excalibur (1981) | Dir. John Boorman
• Braveheart (1995) | Dir. Mel Gibson
• The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (2005) | Dir. Andrew Adamson
• Alien (1979) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Prometheus (2012) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Alien: Covenant (2017) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• G.I. Jane (1997) | Dir. Ridley Scott
• Thelma & Louise (1991)| Dir. Ridley Scott
• Unforgiven (1992) | Dir. Clint Eastwood
• How to Train Your Dragon (2010) | Dir. Dean DeBlois & Chris Sanders