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    #124 - James Lindsay - Social Justice Explained: The Foundations Of Wokeness

    enDecember 05, 2019

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    • Understanding Critical Theory's Focus on Power DynamicsCritical theory exposes power dynamics and biases, originating from Marxist perspective, to be critiqued and often overthrown.

      Critical theory is a way of viewing the world that focuses on power dynamics and the biases and assumptions that come with them. It originated from the Marxist perspective, where power groups, such as capitalists or the bourgeoisie, exploit and control those with less power. Critical theory aims to expose these biases and assumptions to be critiqued, examined, and often overthrown. The conversation between the host and James Lindsay also touched upon the negative aspects of this mindset, which can be characterized as paranoia, psychoanalysis of those in power, and a pessimistic, cynical perspective. Understanding the foundations of critical theory is crucial to navigating the complexities of this perspective and communicating it accurately to others.

    • Understanding power imbalances and societal structuresCritical theory identifies hidden biases and assumptions in societal structures, challenges power imbalances, and works towards creating a more equitable society, while also envisioning what justice looks like and how to achieve it.

      Critical theory is a philosophical approach that aims to identify and challenge hidden biases and assumptions in societal structures, particularly those that perpetuate injustice. Originated from the works of Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School, critical theory posits that powerful classes have set the cultural norms to maintain their power, creating systems that benefit them at the expense of others. Critical theorists seek to uncover these power imbalances and work towards creating a more equitable society. However, it's important to note that critical theory is not just about understanding how things go wrong but also about understanding the normative vision of what justice looks like and how to achieve it. It's a useful tool when applied appropriately, but it should not be overused or applied indiscriminately, as it can be a strong industrial solvent with specific applications.

    • Understanding the Critical Mindset vs. Traditional TheoryApproach situations with a critical mindset to identify biases and power dynamics, but also seek to understand the reasons behind the current state of things for a comprehensive understanding.

      It's essential to approach situations with a critical mindset, but not at the expense of understanding the underlying reasons. The critical mindset, as explained, focuses on identifying biases and power dynamics, while traditional theory seeks to understand the reasons behind the current state of things. An example given was the design of airplane seats, where a critical mindset would focus on the discomfort experienced by certain groups and the power dynamics at play, while a traditional theory would delve into the reasons behind the design decisions. Both perspectives are valuable, and it's essential to strive for a comprehensive understanding of situations rather than just complaining or criticizing without considering the context. The enjoyment and satisfaction come from joining together seemingly disparate points and understanding the underlying reasons.

    • Shift from accommodations to identity politics in social justiceSocial justice has evolved from making reasonable accommodations for individuals to prioritizing extreme experiences, potentially overlooking the needs of the majority and diverting resources.

      Social justice, in its current form, has shifted from making reasonable accommodations for individuals who fall outside of the normal distribution to prioritizing the extreme experiences over the bulk of the population. This concept can be understood through the example of the social model of disability, which initially aimed to make society more accessible for disabled individuals. However, it has since evolved into an identity politics perspective, where disability is seen as an inherent aspect of one's identity rather than a challenge that society should address. This shift can be detrimental as it may overlook the needs of the majority and divert resources towards accommodating the extreme experiences. It's crucial to remember that social justice, in its purest form, aims to create a more just society for all, not just for those at the extremes.

    • Identity politics and medical advancementsThe prioritization of identity over individuality in medical advancements can lead to identity politics, potentially harming those affected and creating discrimination. It's important to respect and include individuals, regardless of their identity or abilities.

      The desire for medical advancements and the elimination of disabilities, such as deafness, can be interpreted as an attack on the identity of those affected, leading to potential harm and discrimination. This concept was discussed in relation to the historical context of the polio jab and the modern context of social justice and identity politics. The line between genuine need for accommodations and attention-seeking can be blurred, and the prioritization of identity over individuality can lead to identity politics, which can be used as a tool to achieve political ends. It's important to remember that every individual deserves respect and inclusion, regardless of their identity or abilities.

    • The conflation of normal and abnormal meanings in identity politicsPostmodernist ideas led to the intentional confusion of descriptive and moral meanings of normal and abnormal, creating ongoing debates in academia and society.

      The academic shift towards identity politics in the late 20th century led to a conflation of the descriptive and moral meanings of the terms "normal" and "abnormal." This confusion is intentional and stems from the postmodernist ideas of Michel Foucault and Jacques Derrida, who argued that the meaning of words arises from their contrast with their opposites. The ongoing culture war between the sciences and the humanities can be seen as a manifestation of this conflict, with scientists and mathematicians particularly critical of the abuses of logic and empiricism in identity politics and postmodern scholarship. The normal distribution, often used to describe the distribution of data points, has been co-opted in this debate, with those on the extremes being labeled as "abnormal" and "deviant," reinforcing the moral judgment inherent in the term. This complex web of ideas underscores the importance of understanding the historical and philosophical contexts that shape contemporary academic debates.

    • Philosophy vs Science: The Hydra of ConflictThe ongoing tension between philosophy and science, rooted in the 1990s 'science wars', continues to resurface, with philosophers critiquing scientific methods and scientists defending their domain.

      The relationship between philosophy and science has evolved into a contentious turf war, with philosophers feeling their domain is being encroached upon by the rigorous methods and advancements of scientific research. This tension reached a peak in the 1990s, with notable figures on both sides engaging in the so-called "science wars." Philosophers like Foucault and Derrida, who were critical of science, gained popularity in literary theory departments, providing a tool for critics to challenge scientific methods without the need to engage in scientific research themselves. Despite scientists winning the battle in the 90s, theorists went underground and have since returned with renewed vigor. This ongoing conflict can be compared to a hydra, as efforts to suppress it only seem to lead to more heads emerging. The roots of this conflict can be traced back to the rise of structuralism and its intersection with German idealism, leading to a pessimistic and cynical philosophical movement.

    • The history of social justice traces back to the late 1800s and early 1900s with figures like Walter Rauschenbusch and the Frankfurt School.The concept of social justice has deep roots, originating from religious, philosophical, and political influences in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

      The concept of social justice has deep roots, dating back to the late 1800s and early 1900s, with figures like Walter Rauschenbusch in the United States and the Frankfurt School in Europe. Rauschenbusch, a Baptist minister, is credited with popularizing the term "social justice" within his religion, and later worked with the Fabian Society in London, which laid the groundwork for socialist thought. The Frankfurt School, which included thinkers like Max Horkheimer, Theodor Adorno, and Herbert Marcuse, developed critical theory, which influenced the New Left and radical political movements of the 1960s, including feminism and the Black Power movement. However, the intensity and tactics of these movements led to concerns about the malignant effects of social justice ideologies, and the emergence of postmodernist thought in the late 1960s and early 1970s further complicated the discourse around social justice. Overall, the history of social justice is complex and multifaceted, with influences from religious, philosophical, and political spheres.

    • Postmodernism's Influence in the USPostmodernism, originating in Europe, merged with radical left thought in the US, leading to a focus on identity politics and understanding experiences of oppression.

      The postmodern theory, originating in Europe in the late 20th century, emerged as a reaction against the damaging effects of colonialism and the belief in objective truth. Postmodern thinkers, such as Derrida and Foucault, rejected the notion of stable knowledge and embraced cultural relativism. Simultaneously in the US, the new left was shifting towards anti-Vietnam War sentiment. However, in the late 1980s, these two movements came together, leading to the fusion of postmodern methods with radical left thought. This resulted in a focus on identity politics and the belief that postmodernism could provide a means to understand and address experiences of oppression. The acceptance of postmodernism in the American Academy, particularly by scholars like Kimberle Crenshaw and Judith Butler, led to its widespread influence. Despite its origins in Europe, the impact of postmodern theory was more profound in the US.

    • The Influence of Critical Theory on Society and EducationBy 2010, Critical Theory had become widely accepted, simplified, and self-assured in understanding society, particularly in education, but a right-wing backlash against these ideas was brewing, leading to a polarized conversation with little room for nuance or subtlety.

      The academic movement of Critical Theory, particularly Identity Politics, originated in the US but gained significant traction in Australia and Europe in the late 20th century. By 2010, it had become widely accepted and simplified into known knowns, with a focus on identity and power structures. This shift led to a clear, self-assured, and almost religious approach to understanding society, with little room for nuance or subtlety. The movement's influence was most strongly felt in education, where critical pedagogy had been the dominant approach since the 1980s. Despite this, a right-wing backlash against these ideas was brewing. The conversation around these topics has become increasingly polarized, with nuance and subtlety seen as weaknesses by both sides.

    • Deep polarization between left and rightPolarization leads to lack of compromise, existential threats, and difficulty predicting outcomes in the next 5-10 years

      The current political climate is characterized by a deep polarization between the left and the right, with each side viewing the other as an existential threat. This dynamic, known as existential polarization, has led to a lack of nuance and compromise, as both sides believe that if the other gains power, it will result in catastrophic consequences. The left believes that the right is choosing against its own interests and needs enlightenment, while the right sees the left as attempting to impose a liberal agenda that will lead to societal collapse. This polarization stems from the belief that the masses do not know what's best for them and need guidance from philosopher kings. The next 5 to 10 years are likely to be defined by this polarization, with the upcoming US presidential election being a significant variable. The lack of compromise and the deep-rooted beliefs on both sides make it challenging to predict how this situation will unfold.

    • Growing interest in liberal principles amid social justice chaosThe social justice movement is experiencing both growth and collapse, with increasing interest in liberal principles and potential shift towards liberal candidates, but also a backlash against identity politics and a turn towards traditional values. The outcome remains uncertain.

      Despite the chaos and infighting in the social justice movement, there is also a growing interest and understanding of liberal principles and their importance in society. This interest is coming from people on the left, center, and right, leading to a potential shift towards more liberal candidates in elections. However, there is also a backlash against social justice issues, which could result in a rejection of identity politics and a turn towards traditional values. The speaker expresses uncertainty about the future of social justice dynamics and their impact on institutions. The Trump presidency served as a reminder that the identity of the president may not be as important as previously thought. Overall, the speaker suggests that the current social justice landscape is experiencing both growth and collapse, with the outcome remaining uncertain.

    • A resurgence of liberal principles amidst populismThe social justice movement exposes societal vulnerabilities, prompting necessary action against potential future challenges, while understanding the dangers of critical theory is crucial.

      We are witnessing a shift in political dynamics, with a resurgence of liberal principles amidst the dominance of populism. This rebirth of liberalism could serve as a vaccination against potential future challenges, preparing society to respond effectively. The current social justice movement, though it may seem chaotic and misguided to some, could play a crucial role in this process by exposing societal vulnerabilities and prompting necessary action. It's essential to understand the potential dangers of critical theory, as it can be an industrial-grade solvent, capable of dissolving entire societies if not handled properly. Engaging with these oddballs and grievance mongers, rather than dangerous figures with big money and power, might be the best approach to learning how to deal with critical theory effectively. James, who is actively engaged on Twitter as @conceptualjames, is an exciting figure to follow for those interested in these topics, and his upcoming book with Helen promises to provide valuable insights.

    • Understanding strengths and weaknessesReflect on your unique abilities, leverage them, and appreciate others' contributions to make a greater impact

      Learning from our discussion with James is the importance of understanding your strengths and weaknesses, and focusing on what you know how to do best. It's easy to get caught up in the hustle and bustle of daily life and feel like you need to do everything yourself. But by recognizing your unique abilities and leveraging them, you can make a greater impact and be more effective in your personal and professional pursuits. Additionally, it's important to appreciate the contributions of others and express gratitude for their help and support. James reminded us that we all have valuable insights to offer, and that by working together and building strong relationships, we can accomplish great things. In essence, take time to reflect on your strengths and weaknesses, and don't hesitate to ask for help when you need it. By doing so, you'll be better equipped to tackle challenges and make a positive impact in the world around you. And remember, a simple "thank you" goes a long way in showing appreciation and building strong relationships.

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