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    #138 - Lauren Miller Rogen and Richard Isaacson, M.D.: Alzheimer’s disease prevention—patient and doctor perspectives

    enNovember 23, 2020

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    • A personal journey with Alzheimer's and prevention measuresActress Lauren Miller Rogan shares her family's experience with Alzheimer's and emphasizes the importance of prevention through expert advice and research.

      Alzheimer's disease has a profound impact on individuals and families, and prevention is key. Lauren Miller Rogan, an actress, screenwriter, director, and co-founder of Hilarity for Charity, shares her personal journey with Alzheimer's in her family. Her grandfather and grandmother both had the disease, and she saw its effects from a young age. Despite finding it amusing as a child, she later came to understand the devastating consequences of Alzheimer's. Lauren's experiences led her to seek out preventative measures and connect with experts like Dr. Richard Isaacson, the director of the Alzheimer's Prevention Clinic at Weill Cornell and assistant dean at the Weill Cornell Medicine faculty office. Together, they discuss the latest research on Alzheimer's prevention and the importance of taking steps to modify risk. Their conversation is both touching and enlightening for anyone interested in the prevention of Alzheimer's disease.

    • A young woman's journey through her family's Alzheimer's experienceAlzheimer's disease can impact families at a young age, leaving fear, uncertainty, and sadness. Discussing concerns with loved ones can provide support and understanding.

      Alzheimer's disease can significantly impact the lives of individuals and their families at a young age. The speaker's grandmother and mother both experienced the disease, leaving the speaker with a sense of fear and uncertainty about her own family history. The speaker's mother, a vibrant and intelligent woman, began showing signs of Alzheimer's during the speaker's college years. The family struggled with denial, fear, anger, and depression as they came to terms with her diagnosis. Despite her own fears, the speaker didn't openly discuss her concerns with her boyfriend at the time, as she felt he didn't fully understand her mother's personality and the changes she was experiencing. Over time, the speaker's mother's condition worsened, and she was eventually unable to teach or care for herself. The experience left the speaker in a "very dark place," as she watched her mother's identity fade away. The speaker's mother's retirement from teaching was a difficult transition, as she likely wasn't fully aware of the reasons for the change. The experience highlighted the sad reality of Alzheimer's disease and its impact on families.

    • A mother's Alzheimer's diagnosis affects her family deeplyEarly onset Alzheimer's is a devastating condition that affects not only the diagnosed individual but also their family, and research is crucial to understanding and preventing it.

      Alzheimer's disease, particularly when it's familial and has early onset, is a devastating condition that not only affects the person diagnosed but also their entire family. The speaker's mother was diagnosed when she was in her 50s, and the speaker was just starting to form a close relationship with her. The mother was scared not for herself but for her children and husband, as she had experienced the disease in her own parents. The speaker felt helpless and angry, searching for a cure but finding none. As a neurologist, Richard hates Alzheimer's disease for its insidious nature and the way it robs people of their memories and their lives. He believes that Alzheimer's starts in the brain decades before symptoms appear, and when he hears of a case like this, he wonders what was happening in the person's 30s and why it's affecting their family. The first thought is always genetic, and the question of early onset arises. Most people associate Alzheimer's with older individuals, but this type of diagnosis is a heartbreaking reminder of the disease's cruelty and the importance of research and awareness.

    • Understanding the causes of Alzheimer's: Genetics and environmentThe most common genetic risk factor for Alzheimer's is the ApoE4 gene, but most cases involve a combination of genetics and environment. Precision medicine aims to provide personalized recommendations based on individual genes and environmental factors to prevent or delay the disease.

      Alzheimer's disease can affect people at different ages, and while some cases may be caused by rare genetic mutations, most early onset cases involve a combination of genetics and environmental factors. The most common genetic risk factor is the ApoE4 gene, but having this gene does not guarantee that a person will develop Alzheimer's. Instead, it increases their risk. The future of Alzheimer's research lies in precision medicine, which aims to understand the individual genes and environmental factors that contribute to a person's risk and provide personalized recommendations to prevent or delay the disease. The discussion also touched upon the rarity of early onset Alzheimer's cases caused by specific genes like presenilin 1, presenilin 2, and the amyloid precursor protein gene mutation. These cases represent less than 1% of all Alzheimer's cases, and most people with early onset Alzheimer's have a complex mix of genetic and environmental risk factors. The term epigenetics was mentioned as a key concept in understanding the environmental impact on gene expression and the role of multiple genes working together (polygenic risk) in Alzheimer's disease.

    • APOE4 gene increases Alzheimer's risk, but lifestyle modifications can helpHaving the APOE4 gene increases the risk of Alzheimer's, but lifestyle modifications, managing cholesterol, and personalized care can help delay or prevent the disease. Every person's journey is unique, and understanding genetic factors provides valuable insights for personalized care.

      Having the APOE4 gene variant increases the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease due to its role in increasing vascular risk and accelerating the accumulation of amyloid protein in the brain. However, having this gene does not mean it's a death sentence. Lifestyle modifications, managing cholesterol, and personalized care can help delay or even prevent the onset of the disease. For those without the E4 variant, it may be more challenging to identify and address potential risks. The speaker emphasizes that every person's journey with Alzheimer's disease is unique, and understanding the role of genes like APOE4 can provide valuable insights for personalized care. Lauren's story highlights the emotional and practical challenges of dealing with a loved one's Alzheimer's disease, particularly when it comes to accessing effective medical care. As the disease progresses, individuals may lose their ability to perform daily tasks, and planning significant life events like weddings can become more complicated. Despite these challenges, the speaker emphasizes the importance of finding ways to support and care for loved ones with Alzheimer's disease, even as the disease takes its toll.

    • Caring for a loved one with Alzheimer's: Unexpected PresenceSupporting families dealing with Alzheimer's is crucial as it affects more than just memory; behavioral and emotional symptoms are common and unpredictable.

      Caring for a loved one with Alzheimer's disease can be challenging and unpredictable. The speaker shared her experience of her mother's behavior during her wedding, which was initially difficult due to her mother's confusion and fear in a new environment. However, on the wedding day itself, her mother managed to be present and engaged, despite the progression of the disease. The speaker emphasized the importance of supporting families affected by Alzheimer's, as the disease not only affects the memory of the patient but also causes deeper emotional and behavioral symptoms. The speaker also highlighted the need for understanding that Alzheimer's is a progressive and heterogeneous disease, meaning that the symptoms depend on where the disease progresses in the brain. This can lead to a wide range of symptoms beyond memory loss, including fear, confusion, and loss of control over bodily functions.

    • Understanding Different Forms of Alzheimer'sAlzheimer's is a group of disorders affecting cognitive decline differently, with executive function impacted in some forms and primary memory loss in others. Prevention and treatment may target the preclinical phase.

      Alzheimer's disease is not a single condition but rather an umbrella term for various brain disorders that affect different areas and manifestations of cognitive decline. Executive function, which involves judgment, planning, and decision-making, can be impacted in some forms of Alzheimer's, such as frontotemporal dementia, while primary age-related taupathy primarily affects short-term memory due to pathology in memory centers. Additionally, Alzheimer's can be divided into three stages: the preclinical phase, where the disease begins but no symptoms are present; mild cognitive impairment, characterized by memory glitches and other cognitive changes; and dementia, where significant cognitive decline occurs. Prevention and treatment efforts may focus on the preclinical phase to delay or even prevent the onset of symptoms.

    • From Mild Cognitive Impairment to Alzheimer's Disease12-16% of MCI cases progress to Alzheimer's annually. Different Alzheimer's variants exist, including the lipid and potentially infectious. Personal experiences can lead to advocacy and raising awareness.

      Alzheimer's disease can affect people at different stages and ages, with mild cognitive impairment (MCI) being a potential precursor. The transition from MCI to dementia occurs in roughly 12-16% of cases per year. Lauren's mother is an example of someone who was diagnosed with symptoms in her 50s but was still able to attend her daughter's wedding years later. The discussion also touched upon the possibility of different variants of Alzheimer's disease, such as the lipid variant or potentially an infectious variant. Lauren shared her personal story of how she became an Alzheimer's advocate after organizing a community event in 2012, which led her to meet various experts and advocates in the field. Tragically, her uncle, who was five years older than her mother, also began showing symptoms and passed away in 2020, allowing his story to be shared publicly to potentially help others.

    • Making unconventional connections leads to valuable insightsDetermination and persistence can lead to valuable connections and potential solutions, even in the context of dealing with Alzheimer's disease. Seek help and information unconventionally and trust your instincts for a better outcome.

      Determination and persistence can lead to valuable connections and potential solutions, even in the context of dealing with Alzheimer's disease. The speaker, Lauren, shares her experience of reaching out to a renowned Alzheimer's doctor, Richard, for her uncle's care. She was able to make the connection through unconventional means and discovered that they had a mutual connection. Once she met Richard, she was impressed and decided to become a patient herself to prevent Alzheimer's. The speaker also mentions a pivotal moment where she saw a video of Lauren's mom from years ago, which gave her a sense of urgency and made her trust her instincts. Overall, this story highlights the importance of taking action and being proactive in seeking help and information, especially when dealing with complex and challenging health issues.

    • Considering genetics and environment in neurological diagnosesGenetics and environment can influence neurological conditions like Alzheimer's, and considering multiple pieces of information can lead to more accurate diagnoses. Handwriting may also offer clues about neurological health, and Alzheimer's could begin in the brain decades before symptoms appear.

      Genetics and environmental factors can interact in complex ways to influence the development and expression of neurological conditions like Alzheimer's disease. The speaker's observation of similarities and differences in family members' behaviors, mannerisms, and handwriting, combined with their clinical history and genetic testing, led them to suspect a more complicated diagnosis than Alzheimer's for one family member. This case highlights the importance of considering multiple pieces of information when making a diagnosis and the potential role of genetics in the development of neurological conditions over a person's lifetime. Additionally, research suggests that handwriting can provide clues about a person's neurological health and that Alzheimer's may be a lifelong disease that begins in the brain decades before symptoms appear.

    • Genetics, Lifestyle, and Hormones: Alzheimer's Risk Factors for WomenGenetic predisposition, sedentary lifestyle, high sugar intake, and hormonal changes, especially after hysterectomy, can increase Alzheimer's risk for women with the E4 variant. Preventative measures include regular exercise, healthy diet, and good sleep habits.

      The combination of genetic predisposition, lifestyle factors, and hormonal changes can significantly increase the risk of developing Alzheimer's disease, especially for women with the E4 variant. The speaker shared the story of Lauren, whose mother had a hysterectomy in her late 40s and developed Alzheimer's disease. The mother's sedentary lifestyle, high sugar intake, and lack of cardio exercise, combined with her family history and hormonal changes after the hysterectomy, may have contributed to her early onset of the disease. The speaker emphasized the importance of awareness about the increased risk for women with the E4 variant and the need for preventative measures, including regular exercise, healthy diet, and good sleep habits. The speaker also mentioned that the mother, despite not being unhealthy by typical standards, could have benefited from more proactive steps to reduce her risk based on current knowledge.

    • Physical activity and exercise impact cognitive function, especially for APOE4 gene carriersCardiovascular and strength training, including high intensity interval training, are essential for cognitive health. Women's unique biological changes during perimenopause may accelerate Alzheimer's pathology, making interventions during this time crucial.

      Physical activity and exercise play crucial roles in cognitive function, particularly for those with the APOE4 gene variant. The difference between physical activity and exercise is key, with cardiovascular and strength training being essential. High intensity interval training is particularly beneficial. The importance of optimizing physical activity was not fully understood even a few years ago. Additionally, women are disproportionately affected by Alzheimer's disease, and it's not solely due to their longer lifespans. During the perimenopause transition, women experience bioenergetic shifts in the brain that can accelerate Alzheimer's pathology. Intervening during this time with the right approach could potentially mitigate some of the negative effects of estrogen loss, which is believed to be neuroprotective.

    • Perimenopause as a Brain DiseaseWomen with perimenopause face cognitive risks due to hormonal shifts, with individual risk factors like genetics, waist size, and widowhood playing a role. Hormonal interventions and ongoing research on sex differences in brain aging offer potential solutions.

      Perimenopause is not just a stage of life, but a brain disease with significant implications for cognitive health. Symptoms like brain fog, irritability, and sleep disturbances are not merely side effects, but manifestations of hormonal shifts in the brain. Women with certain risk factors, such as the APOE4 gene, enlarged waist circumference, and a history of widowhood, are at an increased risk for cognitive decline and dementia during this transition. It's essential to pay attention to individual sex-specific risk factors, such as body fat distribution, and consider hormonal interventions in consultation with healthcare professionals. The ongoing research on sex differences in brain aging, including the role of muscle mass and glucose disposal, promises to shed more light on this complex issue.

    • Genetic Information: Empowerment, Not FearGenetic testing can provide valuable insights for health management, but it's crucial to consult healthcare professionals and stay informed about the latest research and recommendations.

      Having access to genetic information, such as the APOE gene related to Alzheimer's risk, can be empowering rather than scary. The speaker in this conversation shares her experience of receiving her genetic results and how she used it as an opportunity to take control of her health. She emphasizes that science provides tools to help modify risks, and not using them seems worse than living in the dark. The conversation also touches upon the importance of starting conversations about genetic testing and potential lifestyle modifications at an early age, even for children. However, it's important to note that the interpretation and application of genetic information should be done in consultation with healthcare professionals. The conversation also highlights the importance of ongoing education and updating one's understanding of the latest research and recommendations.

    • Genes and Alzheimer's: Personalized Care and Risk ReductionUnderstanding genes like APOE4, Tom40, and FTO influences Alzheimer's risk and progression through inflammation, lipids, and longevity. Personalized care and risk reduction come from genetic knowledge.

      Understanding the role of genes, such as APOE4, Tom40, and others, in the development of Alzheimer's disease is crucial for personalized care and risk reduction. While some genes, like APOE4, have received more attention, there are other important genes, such as Tom40 and FTO, that influence the risk and progression of Alzheimer's. These genes can impact the disease through various pathways, including inflammation, lipids, and longevity. As our knowledge of these genes grows, so will our ability to provide targeted, personalized care for individuals at risk for Alzheimer's disease. It's important to note that most doctors may not be aware of this genetic information, making it essential for patients to educate themselves and advocate for their health. Overall, the future of Alzheimer's care lies in the integration of genetics and personalized medicine.

    • Alzheimer's risk: Complex interplay of genes and lifestyleGenes and lifestyle choices interact to influence Alzheimer's risk. Carrying certain genes like APOE4 and TNF alpha increases risk, but healthy habits can help mitigate it. Each person's response to genetic factors varies.

      Alzheimer's disease risk is not determined by a single gene or factor, but rather a complex interplay of multiple genes and lifestyle choices. For instance, the presence of both the APOE4 and TNF alpha genes increases the risk of developing Alzheimer's. Exercise, while beneficial, does not guarantee prevention. Each person's response to genetic factors can vary, similar to how LP little A gene affects heart disease risk differently. Therefore, adopting a comprehensive approach to risk reduction, including healthy lifestyle choices, can be crucial in mitigating the risk of Alzheimer's disease. It's essential to remember that even if you don't carry the APOE4 gene, you're still not completely risk-free, and supporting loved ones in their journey towards risk reduction can make a significant difference.

    • Personalized care for Alzheimer's risk involves tailored interventionsIndividuals at Alzheimer's risk receive personalized care with various interventions including lifestyle modifications, supplements, and regular assessments tailored to their genetic markers and individual needs.

      Personalized care is essential for individuals at high risk for Alzheimer's disease. This was highlighted in a recent clinical trial, in which participants, including Lauren, received an average of 21 different interventions. These interventions ranged from lifestyle modifications like regular follow-ups, exercise, and nutrition, to supplements like omega-3 fatty acids and specific vitamins. For individuals with certain genetic markers, like the APOE4 gene, more targeted interventions, such as higher doses of omega-3s and specific supplements, may be necessary. Regular assessments and tracking of various biomarkers, such as body composition, blood-based markers, and cognitive function, help healthcare providers fine-tune interventions and optimize care. Overall, personalized care is an iterative process that requires close monitoring and adjustment to effectively manage the risk of Alzheimer's disease.

    • Maintaining optimal vitamin D levels and taking adequate Omega-3 fatty acids can help reduce Alzheimer's disease risk for those with APOE4 gene variantIndividuals with APOE4 gene variant should maintain vitamin D levels around 40-50 ng/mL, take adequate Omega-3 fatty acids, consider therapeutic interventions, and engage in regular exercise to reduce Alzheimer's disease risk

      Maintaining optimal vitamin D levels, ideally around 40-50 ng/mL, is crucial for individuals with the APOE4 gene variant to reduce their Alzheimer's disease risk. Vitamin D can be taken with meals and a little fat for better absorption. Additionally, Omega-3 fatty acids, particularly DHA, are essential for brain health, and individuals with APOE4 may require higher doses. The use of therapeutic human nanoparticles, which can cross the blood-brain barrier, is a promising approach for those at higher risk for Alzheimer's disease due to their ability to reduce amyloid accumulation. Regular exercise, like Lauren's, may also reduce the need for additional supplementation. Overall, a comprehensive approach that includes maintaining optimal vitamin D levels, taking adequate Omega-3 fatty acids, and considering therapeutic interventions can help reduce the risk of Alzheimer's disease for those with the APOE4 gene variant.

    • Magnesium L3 and 8 for MCI and Alzheimer's preventionMagnesium L3 and 8 may improve symptoms of MCI and delay its progression. Exercise is crucial for brain health, especially for E4 carriers due to increased susceptibility to Alzheimer's. Lifestyle factors, including alcohol consumption and diet, require special consideration for E4 carriers.

      Magnesium L3 and 8, a supplement that helps transport magnesium into the brain more effectively, shows promise in improving symptoms of Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) and may even delay its progression. However, its use in Alzheimer's prevention is not as well-established as other interventions, such as exercise, which is particularly beneficial for individuals with the APOE E4 variant. Exercise, which is crucial for brain health, is even more important for E4 carriers due to their increased susceptibility to Alzheimer's pathology. Other lifestyle factors, such as tobacco use, alcohol consumption, and cognitive engagement, also require special consideration for individuals with the E4 variant. While light to moderate alcohol consumption may be beneficial for non-carriers, E4 carriers may benefit more from reducing or abstaining from alcohol. The role of specific diets, including omega-3 fatty acids and MCTs, is also worth exploring further for individuals with the E4 variant. Overall, a personalized approach, taking into account individual risk factors and genetic makeup, is crucial for effective Alzheimer's prevention.

    • Personalized approach to THC and CBD useSpeaker suggests individuals conduct 'N of one studies' to objectively measure effects on cognitive function and sleep metrics, advocating for personalized approach to using THC and CBD due to conflicting study results and potential biases in epidemiological studies.

      The use of THC and CBD, particularly in the form of edibles, for health benefits such as stress reduction and sleep improvement, is a complex issue with inconclusive scientific evidence. The speaker acknowledges the potential benefits but expresses uncertainty due to conflicting study results and the bias in epidemiological studies. They suggest that individuals should conduct their own "N of one studies" to objectively measure the effects on cognitive function and sleep metrics. The discussion also touches upon the importance of cognitive testing for Alzheimer's prevention and the limitations of current testing methods. The speaker shares a personal experience of underperforming on a cognitive test due to stress and distraction, raising questions about the test's ability to distinguish between effort and external factors. Overall, the speaker advocates for a personalized approach to using THC and CBD, emphasizing the need for more research and objective data to inform decisions.

    • Factors affecting cognitive performance differently based on cognitive domainsCognitive tests results can be influenced by various factors including homocysteine, vitamin D, cholesterol levels, emotional state, stress, practice effects, individual differences, and underlying cognitive domains. A comprehensive understanding of cognitive health requires considering all these factors.

      Certain factors, such as homocysteine, vitamin D, and cholesterol levels, can impact cognitive performance differently based on underlying cognitive domains. For instance, early Alzheimer's symptoms may affect memory tasks, while vascular risk factors may impact executive function measures. Stress and emotional factors can also influence cognitive test results. However, consistent cognitive decline warrants further investigation. During a specific testing session, a person's emotional state and external stressors might impact their performance, but over time, their cognitive function can be assessed more accurately. The presence of practice effects and individual differences, such as genetic factors and gender, should also be considered when interpreting cognitive test results. Odor identification, as a part of cognitive assessments, can provide valuable insights into potential cognitive impairments. The importance of subjective cognitive assessments, such as odor identification, lies in their ability to complement more objective measures and offer a more comprehensive understanding of an individual's cognitive health.

    • Changes in temperature sensitivity and smell can indicate early signs of neurodegenerative diseasesAging-related shifts in temperature regulation and smell abilities may signal potential health issues like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. Hearing loss is also a risk factor for dementia, and early intervention could help reduce cases.

      Changes in temperature sensitivity and loss of smell can be early indicators for neurodegenerative diseases, such as Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. As people age, their temperature regulation and smell abilities can shift, and these changes may signal potential health issues. Additionally, hearing loss has emerged as a modifiable risk factor for dementia, and early recognition and intervention could potentially reduce the number of dementia cases. However, the exact reasons why these conditions are linked to neurodegenerative diseases are not fully understood and require further research.

    • Prioritizing Hearing Health and Regular EvaluationsRegular hearing evaluations and hearing protection are crucial for overall health and well-being, even in younger individuals. Despite imperfections in medical data and tests, prioritizing hearing health can lead to emotional benefits and improved quality of life.

      Regular hearing evaluations and protecting hearing should be prioritized, even if it means identifying and addressing hearing loss in younger individuals. While there may be concerns about compliance and the desire to use noise cancellation technology instead, the precautionary principle suggests that there is no downside to protecting hearing. Doctors could do a better job of incorporating hearing evaluations into routine health checks. Additionally, subjectivity and learning effects can impact even objective tests, such as odor identification. Despite the imperfections and imprecisions in medical data and tests, it's important to focus on the overall improvement in health and well-being. Emotional benefits, such as reduced fear and increased hope, can also be significant. On a lighter note, the discussion touched upon Hilarity for Charity, a mission to raise awareness and funds for Alzheimer's disease research through comedy. The decision to focus on comedy was based on the belief that laughter can help alleviate stress and improve overall well-being, making it a powerful tool in the fight against Alzheimer's.

    • Supporting Individuals and Families Affected by Alzheimer'sThe Horan Family Foundation supports individuals and families affected by Alzheimer's through personalized care, support groups, and research, inspiring early brain health education and caregiver training.

      The Horan Family Foundation (HFC) is dedicated to supporting individuals and families affected by Alzheimer's disease through personalized care, support groups, and research. The founder's personal experience with Alzheimer's in her family inspired her to create HFC, which aims to provide care and relief for caregivers, as well as educate young people about brain health and the importance of taking care of it from an early age. HFC offers various ways for people to get involved, including donations, sharing personal stories, and hosting fundraisers. Due to the challenges of fundraising during the pandemic, HFC encourages people to find ways to give back that align with their personal interests and abilities. The foundation also partners with organizations to provide caregiver training and support. Overall, HFC's mission is to help people today with Alzheimer's and inspire them to take care of their brains for tomorrow.

    • Supporting caregivers through Alzheimer's journeyHilarity for Charity offers tools and resources to help navigate caregiving for Alzheimer's, emphasizing hope, control, and prevention through open dialogue and education.

      While there's no formal training to be a caregiver, organizations like Hilarity for Charity aim to provide tools and resources to help navigate the unexpected journey of caregiving. Through a mix of comedy and serious information, HFC encourages hope and control for those dealing with Alzheimer's. Recently, research shows that up to 40% of Alzheimer's cases may be preventable, making open conversations about the disease even more crucial. HFC's membership program offers in-depth content and resources to further support those on this journey. Overall, HFC emphasizes the importance of addressing the challenges of Alzheimer's through open dialogue and education.

    • Importance of consulting healthcare professionalsAlways consult with healthcare professionals for medical conditions and don't rely solely on podcast information. Disclose potential conflicts of interest for transparency.

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    • Nutrition myth: Losing weight after a brief period of overeating is impossible [53:45];
    • Nutrition myth: GLP-1 agonists are a replacement for a healthy lifestyle [57:45];
    • Nutrition myth: There is a single best diet for weight loss [1:03:00];
    • Nutrition oversimplification: All calories are created equal [1:05:45];
    • Daily step goals [1:06:45];
    • The benefits of standing versus sitting throughout the day [1:10:45];
    • How to identify the most impactful and easiest-to-implement ways to improve your health [1:12:30];
    • The critical importance of emotional health [1:14:30];
    • Why supplements should be considered as supportive aids rather than primary solutions in one’s strategy to improve longevity [1:18:00];
    • Strategies for reducing high blood pressure [1:20:45];
    • Peter’s biggest frustrations with "mainstream health advice" [1:28:00];
    • Peter’s chaotic, yet cherished, morning routine [1:31:00]; and
    • More.

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    The Peter Attia Drive
    enJune 17, 2024

    #305 ‒ Heart rate variability: how to measure, interpret, and utilize HRV for training and health optimization | Joel Jamieson

    #305 ‒ Heart rate variability: how to measure, interpret, and utilize HRV for training and health optimization | Joel Jamieson

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    Joel Jamieson is a conditioning expert who developed Morpheus to give people a smarter way to build their conditioning regimen and improve their recovery. In this episode, Joel dives deep into the world of heart rate variability (HRV), explaining its scientific foundation, how it measures the balance between the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous systems, the various methods of measurement, and how it can guide healthier lifestyle choices and improved training performance. He explores the nuances of HRV calculation, the impact of aging on HRV, and the roles of genetics, exercise, and other lifestyle factors in this process. He also covers Morpheus, the innovative training tool that won Peter over after his initial skepticism, highlighting its practicality and effectiveness in guiding training and optimizing fitness outcomes.

    We discuss:

    • Heart rate variability (HRV): evolution, science, and practical applications of HRV in athletic training [4:00];
    • Methods of measuring HRV: EKG, wrist-based sensors, and more [11:30];
    • How HRV is calculated from the data [22:30];
    • The role of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) in regulating HRV [25:45];
    • The decline in HRV with age, and the mitigating effects of fitness and other lifestyle factors [33:30];
    • The role of genetics in HRV, the modifiability of HRV, and a comparison of VO2 max and HRV as predictors of mortality [37:00];
    • How aging affects HRV and sympathetic drive, and the importance of spontaneous movement and exercise in maintaining the body's adaptability [43:30];
    • How Morpheus measures HRV using RMSSD and normalizes it to a 100-point scale for easier interpretation [49:45];
    • The Morpheus system: development, integration with various metrics, and personalized daily training recommendations to optimize fitness and recovery [51:30];
    • The benefits of morning HRV readings for assessing daily readiness compared to overnight HRV measurements [1:03:00];
    • Why Morpheus recommends using a chest strap rather than an arm band [1:10:00];
    • The impact of consistent exercise, stress, alcohol, and other lifestyle factors on HRV [1:11:15];
    • Optimizing zone 2 training with Morpheus [1:18:15];
    • Using heart rate recovery (HRR) as an indicator of athletic conditioning and the balance between aerobic and anaerobic systems [1:22:45];
    • The importance of tracking HRV trends over time rather than focusing on data from a given day [1:29:00];
    • Effect of GLP-1 agonists on heart rate and HRV [1:34:45];
    • Where HRV belongs in the hierarchy of health metrics [1:42:00];
    • Parting thoughts [1:46:30]; and
    • More.

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    The Peter Attia Drive
    enJune 10, 2024

    #304 – NEW: Introducing quarterly podcast summaries - Peter shares his biggest takeaways on muscle protein synthesis, VO2 max, toe strength, gut health, and more

    #304 – NEW: Introducing quarterly podcast summaries - Peter shares his biggest takeaways on muscle protein synthesis, VO2 max, toe strength, gut health, and more

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    In this quarterly podcast summary (QPS) episode, Peter introduces a new format aimed at summarizing his biggest takeaways from the last three months of guest interviews on the podcast. Peter shares key insights from each episode, covering diverse topics such as protein and muscle building with Luc van Loon, toe strength with Courtney Conley, VO2 max with Olav Aleksander Bu, liquid biopsies for cancer with Alex Aravanis, gut health and probiotics with Colleen Cutcliffe, and road safety with Mark Rosekind. Additionally, Peter shares any personal behavioral adjustments or modifications to his patient care practices that have arisen from these engaging discussions.

    If you’re not a subscriber and are listening on a podcast player, you’ll only be able to hear a preview of the AMA. If you’re a subscriber, you can now listen to this full episode on your private RSS feed or our website at the episode #304 show notes page. If you are not a subscriber, you can learn more about the subscriber benefits here.

    We discuss:

    • How Peter keeps track of his takeaways from each podcast episode [5:15];
    • Luc van Loon episode: fat utilization, muscle protein synthesis, dietary protein, aging and inactivity, and more [8:45];
    • Behavioral changes that have come about from the conversation with Luc van Loon [23:45];
    • Courtney Conley episode: importance of toe strength and the impact of dedicated foot training [26:45];
    • Olav Aleksander Bu episode: the importance of VO2 max for lifespan, and the practicalities of measuring and improving VO2 max [36:45];
    • Behavioral changes that have come about from the conversation with Olav [56:00];
    • Alex Aravanis episode: liquid biopsies for cancer detection [1:01:30];
    • Colleen Cutcliffe episode: the importance of gut bacteria balance, and the potential therapeutic uses of probiotics, particularly Akkermansia [1:16:45];
    • Mark Rosekind: the significant issue of road fatalities and injuries, their causes, and practical safety measures to reduce risks [1:27:00]; and
    • More.

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    The Peter Attia Drive
    enJune 03, 2024

    #303 - A breakthrough in Alzheimer’s disease: the promising potential of klotho for brain health, cognitive decline, and as a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease | Dena Dubal, M.D., Ph.D.

    #303 - A breakthrough in Alzheimer’s disease: the promising potential of klotho for brain health, cognitive decline, and as a therapeutic tool for Alzheimer's disease | Dena Dubal, M.D., Ph.D.

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    Dena Dubal is a physician-scientist and professor of neurology at UCSF whose work focuses on mechanisms of longevity and brain resilience. In this episode, Dena delves into the intricacies of the longevity factor klotho: its formation and distribution in the body, the factors such as stress and exercise that impact its levels, and its profound impact on cognitive function and overall brain health. Dena shares insights from exciting research in animal models showing the potential of klotho in treating neurodegenerative diseases as well as its broader implications for organ health and disease prevention. She concludes with an optimistic outlook for future research in humans and the potential of klotho for the prevention and treatment of Alzheimer’s disease.

    Disclosure: Peter is an investor in Jocasta Neuroscience, a company working to develop klotho as a therapy for people with Alzheimer’s disease.

    We discuss:

    • Dena’s fascination with aging and how she came to study klotho [3:30];
    • Biological properties of klotho: production, regulation, decline with age, and factors influencing its levels [11:45];
    • Potential benefits of klotho on brain health [22:00];
    • The relationship between soluble klotho protein, platelet factors, and cognitive enhancement [33:45];
    • The role of platelet factor 4 (PF4) and it’s interaction with GluN2B in mediating cognitive enhancement [46:45];
    • Benefits of klotho observed in a mouse model of Parkinson’s disease [55:45];
    • Benefits of klotho observed in a mouse model of Alzheimer’s disease [1:03:00];
    • Promising results of klotho in primate models, and the importance of finding an appropriate therapeutic dose before moving to human trials [1:08:00];
    • Speculating why a single klotho injection has such long-lasting effects [1:25:30];
    • Potential cognitive benefits of klotho in humans, the impact of the KL-VS genetic variant on klotho levels, and the need for human trials to confirm these effects [1:27:45];
    • The interaction between the KL-VS genetic variant and APOE4 and how it impacts risk of Alzheimer’s disease [1:34:45];
    • The significance of klotho levels: studies linking lower levels to increased mortality and the broader implications for organ health and disease prevention [1:47:15];
    • Measuring klotho levels and determining an individual’s KL-VS status [1:52:15];
    • The promising potential of klotho for Alzheimer’s disease treatment, and the importance of philanthropy for funding research [1:58:00]; and
    • More.

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    The Peter Attia Drive
    enMay 27, 2024

    #302 - Confronting a metabolic epidemic: understanding liver health and how to prevent, diagnose, and manage liver disease | Julia Wattacheril, M.D., M.P.H.

    #302 - Confronting a metabolic epidemic: understanding liver health and how to prevent, diagnose, and manage liver disease | Julia Wattacheril, M.D., M.P.H.

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    Julia Wattacheril is a physician scientist and director of the Metabolic Dysfunction Associated Steatotic Liver Disease (MASLD) program at Columbia University Irving Medical Center. In this episode, Julia delves deep into the complex world of liver health, beginning with a foundational overview of liver physiology. She provides an in-depth look at how alcohol impacts liver function, breaking down the metabolism of ethanol and its detrimental effects. Julia then shifts the focus to understanding liver function tests and optimal enzyme levels, providing a detailed explanation of AST and ALT and elucidating why fluctuations in these levels may or may not be concerning. She provides a primer on the four major stages of liver disease, discussing risk and emphasizing the importance of early diagnosis. Julia highlights the role of liver disease in increasing the risk of cancer and cardiovascular disease and covers in detail the various strategies for diagnosing, treating, and preventing the progression of liver disease.

    We discuss:

    • Julia’s training, the importance of liver health, and the challenges and innovations of hepatology [3:15];
    • The complex and crucial functionality of the liver, its four most essential functions, and more [8:45];
    • Liver injuries: historical and evolving understanding of causal factors, and the progression to liver diseases and cancer [13:15];
    • How the liver metabolizes nutrients and what happens in the presence of excess calories or alcohol [24:45];
    • Methods of diagnosing liver disease and how insights guide treatment and management strategies [33:30];
    • The poisonous nature of ethanol to the liver [40:30];
    • Varied responses to alcohol, damaging effects of alcohol beyond the liver, and the process of advising patients on their alcohol consumption [47:15];
    • Understanding liver enzymes AST and ALT—interpreting levels, lifestyle factors that affect them, and diagnostic approaches [58:30];
    • Interpreting liver function tests for fatty liver disease, and the challenges of diagnosing liver pathologies, particularly in children versus adults [1:13:15];
    • Comprehensive liver health assessments via imaging and various diagnostic tools to prevent overlooking potential liver pathologies [1:18:45];
    • Potential impact of recreational drugs, statins, and other medications on liver function test results [1:26:45];
    • Shifting nomenclature from NAFLD to MASLD to reflect accuracy in the underlying pathophysiology and understanding of liver diseases [1:30:30];
    • Pathophysiology of MASLD, the need for proactive screening, and the significance of liver fat percentage as an indicator of metabolic health [1:36:30];
    • The importance of screening for rare conditions alongside common metabolic diseases associated with fatty liver accumulation [1:42:45];
    • Practical strategies for managing MAFLD [1:45:30];
    • The impact of fructose consumption on liver health and the challenges of disentangling its effects from other factors like obesity and insulin resistance [1:52:45];
    • The potential of GLP-1 agonists for the treatment of MASLD [1:57:45];
    • How the four stages of liver disease have evolved [2:00:30];
    • Increased cancer and heart disease risk associated with early-stage MAFLD [2:05:15];
    • Emerging drugs and therapies for addressing fat accumulation and fibrosis related to MAFLD [2:12:15];
    • Peter’s major takeaways [2:18:45]; and
    • More.

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    #301 - AMA #59: Inflammation: its impact on aging and disease risk, and how to identify, prevent, and reduce it

    #301 - AMA #59: Inflammation: its impact on aging and disease risk, and how to identify, prevent, and reduce it

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    In this “Ask Me Anything” (AMA) episode, Peter delves into the often misunderstood concept of inflammation. He first defines inflammation and differentiates between acute inflammation and chronic inflammation, the latter of which is linked to aging and a plethora of age-related diseases. Peter breaks down the intricate relationship between chronic inflammation, obesity, and metabolic health, and highlights the signs that might suggest someone may be suffering from chronic inflammation. From there, the conversation centers on actionable advice and practical steps one can take to manage and minimize chronic inflammation. He explores how diet plays a crucial role, including the potential benefits of elimination diets, and he examines the impact of lifestyle factors such as exercise, sleep, and stress management. Additionally, he discusses the relevance of food inflammatory tests and concludes by examining the potential benefits and drawbacks of drugs and supplements in managing inflammation.

    If you’re not a subscriber and are listening on a podcast player, you’ll only be able to hear a preview of the AMA. If you’re a subscriber, you can now listen to this full episode on your private RSS feed or our website at the AMA #59 show notes page. If you are not a subscriber, you can learn more about the subscriber benefits here.

    We discuss:

    • Defining inflammation (and the cultural impact of Napoleon Dynamite) [1:45];
    • Acute vs chronic inflammation [8:00];
    • The connection between chronic inflammation, aging, and age-related diseases [11:00];
    • The impact of inflammation on metabolic health [18:30];
    • Understanding and diagnosing chronic inflammation: blood tests and other approaches, and challenges with measurement [20:00];
    • Factors that contribute to low-level chronic inflammation [28:00];
    • Minimizing inflammation through diet [29:45];
    • The important role of fiber for gut health and inflammation [33:45];
    • A closer look at the impact of trans fats and saturated fats on overall health [34:45];
    • Why Peter prefers dietary fiber from food sources over supplements [38:30];
    • Debunking “superfoods”: emphasizing proven methods over marketing claims for reducing inflammation [39:00];
    • Is there any value in over-the-counter food inflammatory tests? [42:30];
    • Food elimination diets: how they work, symptoms and markers to watch, challenges and limitations [45:15];
    • Identifying dietary triggers for gut-related symptoms through low-FODMAP diets like the “carnivore diet” [51:15];
    • Dairy: the complex role of dairy on inflammation and individual responses [55:00];
    • Wheat: the complexities and conflicting evidence around wheat's inflammatory effects [57:45];
    • How exercise influences inflammation [1:02:00];
    • How sleep quality and duration impacts inflammation [1:07:00];
    • The potential impact of chronic psychological stressors on inflammation [1:13:00];
    • The impact of oral health on inflammation and overall well-being [1:15:00];
    • The role of medications in managing chronic inflammation [1:18:15];
    • Supplements: evaluating the efficacy of various anti-inflammatory supplements [1:22:15];
    • Parting thoughts and takeaways [1:27:00]; and
    • More.

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    The Peter Attia Drive
    enMay 13, 2024

    #300 - Special episode: Peter on exercise, fasting, nutrition, stem cells, geroprotective drugs, and more — promising interventions or just noise?

    #300 - Special episode: Peter on exercise, fasting, nutrition, stem cells, geroprotective drugs, and more — promising interventions or just noise?

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    In this special edition celebrating 300 episodes of The Drive, Peter discusses a variety of popular topics and health interventions and classifies them based on their level of evidence and relevance using the following categories: proven, promising, fuzzy, noise, and nonsense. Peter first delves into the topic of geroprotective molecules, covering rapamycin, metformin, NAD and its precursors, and resveratrol. Next, he explores the significance of metrics like VO2 max and muscle mass, as well as emerging concepts like blood flow restriction and stem cells. The conversation extends to nutrition, addressing questions surrounding long-term fasting, sugar consumption, sugar substitutes, and the contentious role of red meat in cancer. Peter not only provides his current stance on each topic—most of which have been covered in great detail in the previous 300 episodes—but also reflects on how his opinion may have evolved over the years.

    We discuss:

    • Defining the categories of “proven, promising, fuzzy, noise, and nonsense” [3:15];
    • Rapamycin [9:30];
    • Metformin [17:00];
    • NAD and its precursors [24:30];
    • Resveratrol [32:45];
    • The importance of VO2 max, muscle mass, and muscular strength for lifespan [38:15];
    • Blood flow restriction (BFR) training [44:00];
    • Using stem cells to treat osteoarthritis or injury [51:30];
    • Fasting as a tool for longevity (and why Peter stopped his fasting protocol) [55:45];
    • The energy balance theory [1:06:30];
    • The idea that sugar is poison [1:12:00];
    • The idea that sugar substitutes are dangerous [1:22:15];
    • The debate on red meat and cancer [1:28:45]; and
    • More.

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    Special episode with Dax Shepard: F1 and the 30th anniversary of Ayrton Senna’s death

    Special episode with Dax Shepard: F1 and the 30th anniversary of Ayrton Senna’s death

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    This is a special episode of The Drive with Peter’s friend and fellow car enthusiast Dax Shepard. In this podcast, which commemorates the 30th anniversary of the death of Brazilian Formula One legend Ayrton Senna, Dax sits down with Peter to better understand what made Senna so special and why Peter remains an enormous fan. This conversation focuses on Senna’s life, the circumstances of his death, and his lasting impact and legacy on the sport of F1.

    We discuss:

    • Peter’s interest in motorsports began as a child [2:30];
    • The drama and dangers of F1 [6:00];
    • What made Senna special [13:00];
    • What Senna meant to Brazilians [24:00];
    • The cause of the fatal crash [28:15];
    • Why Peter is obsessed with Senna [40:30];
    • Being the best versus having the best record [43:30];
    • Senna’s unique driving style and incredible intuition about automotive engineering [46:30];
    • Back to the day of the dreadful race [53:00];
    • What Peter believes caused the crash [1:02:45];
    • Views on dying young, in the prime of life [1:13:00];
    • Senna lives on in his foundation and in safety changes adopted by F1 [1:21:00];
    • Statistics aren’t enough for fandom, and why people like who they do [1:24:15];
    • The biggest difference between F1 today and F1 in the 80s [1:28:30];
    • Senna’s driving superpower [1:30:30];
    • The fastest drivers currently in F1 [1:38:30];
    • Current F1 obsessions [1:45:00];
    • How hard it is to do what the top F1 drivers do [1:50:15];
    • Dax’s love of motorcycles and his AMG E63 station wagon [1:52:15];
    • Awesome Senna mementos from Etsy [2:01:15];
    • What makes specialists interesting, and Max’s devotion to F1 [2:10:15];
    • What Senna might have done if he had not died that day [2:14:00];
    • Michael Schumacher and Max Verstappen are also top F1 drivers [2:17:30];
    • Interlagos in Sao Paulo Brazil is always an incredible experience [2:18:45]; and
    • More.

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    LIVE EVENT Q&A: Dr. Andrew Huberman Question & Answer in Chicago, IL

    LIVE EVENT Q&A: Dr. Andrew Huberman Question & Answer in Chicago, IL
    Recently I had the pleasure of hosting a live event in Chicago, IL. This event was part of a lecture series called The Brain Body Contract. My favorite part of the evening was the question & answer period, where I had the opportunity to answer questions from the attendees of each event. Included here is the Q&A from our event in Chicago, IL at The Chicago Theatre. We'll be hosting four live events in Australia in February 2024. Limited tickets remain for our show in Melbourne on February 10, 2024, and our second show in Sydney at the Aware Super Theatre on February 18, 2024. For tickets and event details, please visit https://www.hubermanlab.com/events. Thank you to our sponsors AG1: https://drinkag1.com/huberman Eight Sleep: https://eightsleep.com/huberman Timestamps (00:00:00) Introduction (00:02:42) What Is Your Best Advice to Keep My Brain Healthy in Old Age? (00:07:07) How Can I Optimize Sleep While Working 24 Hour Shifts? (00:10:17) How Does Hypnosis Therapy Work? (00:17:15) Psychedelics in Clinical Therapy (00:30:23) How Has Your Podcast Changed Your Life? (00:35:21) What Do You Feel Is the Next Big Thing in the Health Space? (00:44:31) Daylight Saving Time: Is It Worth the Productivity Trade-Off? (00:46:34) Enhancing Neuroplasticity: Strategies for a 19-Year-Old College Student (00:50:17) How Can We Transform the American Education System to Be More Effective? (00:54:06) Conclusion Title Card Photo Credit: Mike Blabac Disclaimer