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    #168 - How to Reverse Engineer Businesses, The Indonesian King of Coal & the Story of Adida‪s‬

    enApril 07, 2021

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    • Buying and selling in bulk: Profiting from coal transactionsMiddlemen can make substantial profits by buying resources in bulk and selling them to large corporations, demonstrating the power of smart business deals.

      The Chinese Indonesian man discussed was a middleman in the coal business, who made a significant profit by buying coal for a low price and selling it in large blocks to companies like Exxon for a much higher price. This demonstrates the power of buying and selling in bulk and the potential for substantial profits in business transactions. Another interesting takeaway from the conversation was the ease of purchasing a gun in the U.S., as compared to the speaker's previous experiences meeting famous figures like the Pope and Bill Clinton. The conversation also touched upon the speaker's past encounters with notable individuals and the varying levels of interaction they had. Overall, the discussion highlighted the intricacies of business deals and the unique experiences one can encounter in life.

    • Unexpected challenge during presentation to Prince AndrewStay informed about marketing trends, be adaptable, and learn from unexpected experiences.

      Staying informed about marketing trends is crucial for business success, but sometimes unexpected challenges can arise during presentations to important figures. The speaker shared an experience of giving a presentation to Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, only to find him asleep during the first 20 minutes. Despite the embarrassment, the importance of being aware of marketing trends was emphasized through the HubSpot 2,024 State of Marketing report, which compiles data from over 1,400 marketing professionals to identify effective and ineffective trends. Ultimately, the Duke's visit led to a brainstorming session about business ideas, including the need for a fact-checking app to hold politicians accountable for their statements. While the presentation to the Duke did not go as planned, the experience underscored the significance of staying informed and adaptable in the ever-changing marketing landscape.

    • The importance of fact-checking and transparency in politicsTools like PolitiFact ensure accountability by fact-checking political statements, and successful partnerships in business often involve a celebrity's access and a partner's expertise.

      Transparency and fact-checking are crucial in politics. A tool like PolitiFact, which fact-checks political statements and rates their truthfulness, is an example of how accountability can be ensured. During a conversation, the speaker mentioned an upcoming interview with Jake Paul and shared how they met through mutual investments and a mutual friend, Jeffrey Wu. Jeffrey is a tech founder who has started companies and has been backed by Andreessen Horowitz. The partnership between Jeff and Jake Paul is reminiscent of historical successful partnerships where the celebrity brings access, and the partner brings expertise and knowledge. The speaker also mentioned the example of Brian Lee, a Korean American entrepreneur, who has partnered with famous personalities like Shapiro, Kim Kardashian, and Jessica Alba to build successful businesses.

    • Partnering with celebrities for business successCollaborating with famous faces can lead to lucrative business opportunities. Celebrities can bring brand recognition and business acumen to the table, leading to billion-dollar companies.

      Partnering with celebrities can be an effective strategy for building successful businesses. The discussion highlighted the experiences of a businessman who partnered with Shapiro, Kim Kardashian, and Jessica Alba for various ventures, including LegalZoom, Shoe Dazzle, and Honest Company. While the celebrities were initially brought in as faces for the businesses, they proved to be savvy businesspeople in their own right. Honest Company, for instance, grew into a billion-dollar company. Another interesting business model mentioned in the conversation was drop servicing, which is similar to drop shipping but involves providing on-demand services instead of physical products. Turned Yellow, a drop servicing company, offers the service of cartoonizing photos and has been successful with its unique value proposition and effective marketing strategies. Overall, the conversation underscores the importance of identifying the right partners and business models to create successful ventures.

    • Standing out in a crowded marketSecure official partnerships and differentiate through licensing to legitimize business and eliminate competitors.

      Successful businesses identify opportunities in the market and find creative ways to differentiate themselves. In the case discussed, a company specializing in fan art-style websites, such as those based on The Simpsons, faced numerous competitors. To stand out, they brought on a licensing expert to secure official partnerships with IP holders, ensuring above-board operations and eliminating competitors who refused to work within the rules. This approach not only legitimized their business but also increased revenue. This strategy is reminiscent of other successful ventures, like Sully's Family Guy mobile game, which took a proven game model and skinned it with a popular brand. The key to success in these cases is making valuable connections and building relationships, often requiring expertise and experience in licensing and networking.

    • A startup's determination leads to success with 'Family Guy' mobile gameDespite numerous setbacks and being told 'no', a startup's persistence and creativity led to a successful 'Family Guy' mobile game deal through a unique payment structure and leveraging connections

      Determination and persistence, even in the face of repeated rejections, can lead to success. In this story, a startup sought the rights to create a mobile game based on the popular TV show "Family Guy." Despite numerous setbacks and being told "no" by potential partners, the team refused to give up. They came up with a creative solution by offering an enormous upfront payment and generous royalties if the game was successful. However, they didn't have the money to make good on their promise. Instead, they leveraged their connections, including an investor and a mentor, to help them secure the deal. It's remarkable that they didn't offer bribes or resort to cronyism, but instead relied on their passion, creativity, and tenacity to ultimately save their company. This tale serves as a reminder that perseverance and a strong work ethic can often lead to unexpected opportunities and success.

    • Executives and Ethical DilemmasExecutives may face temptations to engage in unethical behaviors, such as bribery, due to financial incentives and fear of being blacklisted. The prevalence of such incidents challenges the assumption of clear ethical boundaries in business.

      The world of business can present ethical dilemmas and temptations, even for high-level executives. The speaker shares his belief that some executives may be offered large sums of money for information or favors, which could potentially lead to bribery or other unethical behaviors. He also mentions his own experience during an acquisition, where he felt he had unintentionally shared valuable information with the acquiring company. The speaker is surprised by the prevalence of such incidents, as it challenges the assumption that most people adhere to a clear line between right and wrong. Despite the risks, many executives may feel pressured to accept such offers due to the potential financial rewards and the fear of being blacklisted from their profession. The speaker also touches upon the presence of foreign spies in large corporations, adding another layer of complexity to the ethical landscape of business.

    • Navigating conversations about previous employersCompanies may ask about previous employers, but approach with sensitivity and respect for privacy.

      People are generally ethical, especially in professional settings. However, there are instances where companies might encourage or even require employees to share information about their previous employers. In such situations, it's essential to consider the comfort level of the person being asked and approach the conversation with care. Some companies have stricter policies against this practice, while others may be more open. The speaker shared an example of Anthony Popliano, who was fired from Snapchat for refusing to share information about Facebook. The speaker was surprised that more instances of this don't come up, as it could be a valuable source of insight for new hires. Ultimately, it's crucial to navigate these situations with sensitivity and respect for the individual's privacy.

    • Unconventional Business Deals and CorruptionCorruption can facilitate international business deals by allowing intermediaries to profit from selling rights for less than market value.

      In some parts of the world, business deals are facilitated through unconventional means. The individual in this story acted as a middleman, profiting from the sale of coal rights to large corporations like Exxon, BP, and Chevron. He was able to do this by bribing local politicians, who held the land rights, and then selling the rights to the corporations. The corporations, unable or unwilling to engage in bribery themselves, opted to let this middleman handle the dirty work. This unconventional business model allowed the middleman to make a significant profit, selling coal rights for a fraction of the market value. It's important to note that this behavior is not representative of all businesses and is not condoned. However, it highlights the complexities and nuances of international business dealings and the role that corruption can play in shaping economic relationships.

    • Exploring a company's early versions reveals insights into their growth and successStudying a company's historical website and media mentions provides valuable insights into their pivotal moments and strategic decisions

      The evolution of companies and their early versions can provide valuable insights into their development and success. The Internet, with its archives and tools like the Wayback Machine and TechCrunch, allows us to travel back in time and witness the progression of companies from their humble beginnings to their current forms. This practice of studying the history of a company's website and its mentions in the media can help us understand the pivotal moments in their growth and the decisions that shaped their direction. Companies like Airbnb and Uber, for instance, started with simple concepts and underwent significant changes as they gained traction and funding. By examining these early versions, we can reverse engineer their strategies and learn from their experiences. This fascination with the origins of successful companies is akin to being Internet archaeologists, unearthing the stories of innovation and transformation.

    • Learning from others' experiencesStudying past projects and lives can fast-forward learning and provide valuable insights. Use tools like Twitter advanced search and websites to uncover insights. Create a 'Business Pocket' for saving articles or resources.

      Learning from the past experiences of others, whether it's through studying the first versions of successful projects or creating timelines of people's lives, can help us fast-forward our own learning process and provide valuable insights into what has worked and what hasn't. This reverse engineering approach can save us time and effort by giving us data points to build upon, rather than relying solely on our own personal experience. Tools like Twitter advanced search and websites like firstversions.com can help us uncover these valuable insights. Additionally, the idea of creating a "Business Pocket" as a tool for saving articles or resources for later exploration is a useful way to efficiently gather and process information. While this approach may be considered nerdy or unconventional, the potential benefits in terms of learning and growth make it a worthwhile endeavor.

    • Stay informed and competitive with personalized newslettersAutomatically receive updates on specific companies or individuals of interest, filter news based on events, and stay ahead in your industry with a personalized newsletter service

      There's a potential business opportunity in creating a service that automatically sends personalized newsletters about specific companies or individuals that users are interested in. The user shared their personal experience of collecting interesting companies over the years but rarely checking back on them. They suggested a programmatic newsletter that flags and sends updates on selected companies or individuals, filtering the news based on specific events such as funding, job changes, or media appearances. The user also shared a past idea of creating a "secret spy" service that tracks competitors and delivers daily updates. They drew inspiration from Rocket Internet, a company that clones successful businesses in different regions and sends daily updates to their team. This idea could be adapted to create a personalized newsletter service for individuals or businesses interested in specific competitors or industries. The potential business could generate revenue through subscriptions or targeted advertising based on the users' interests. It could cater to various industries, including marketing, finance, and entrepreneurship, where keeping track of competitors and industry trends is crucial. Overall, the user's ideas highlight the potential demand for a personalized, automated newsletter service that helps users stay informed and competitive in their respective fields.

    • Analyzing competitors' marketing strategies and trends for business advantageIdentifying successful ad campaigns and reasons behind them, offering insights on industry competitors, and providing valuable services to businesses are potential opportunities in the market analysis field. Ecommerce businesses can particularly benefit from this information, and it could potentially be offered as a paid service.

      There are opportunities to provide valuable services to businesses and individuals by analyzing competitors' marketing strategies and trends. This could range from identifying successful ad campaigns and reasons behind them, to offering insights on industry competitors and their strengths and weaknesses. This information could be particularly useful for ecommerce businesses looking to stay competitive, and could potentially be offered as a paid service. Another intriguing idea discussed was the potential for AI or robotic pets for children, which could provide the companionship and entertainment of a traditional pet without the maintenance and care required. Additionally, there was a mention of a company using weighted pets as a form of therapy for people with dementia and Alzheimer's, highlighting the potential for innovative solutions in the pet industry. Overall, the discussion emphasized the importance of staying informed about industry trends and competitors, and finding creative ways to meet the needs and wants of consumers.

    • Robotic therapy pets for individuals with conditions like dementia and Alzheimer'sRobotic pets offer comfort, companionship, and therapeutic benefits for individuals with conditions like dementia and Alzheimer's. Companies like the Alzheimer's Store cater to this niche market, and the potential future development of genetically engineered or mechanical AI pets could significantly impact the pet industry.

      There's a growing market for therapeutic robotic pets, particularly for individuals with conditions like dementia and Alzheimer's. These robots can provide comfort and companionship, and although they may not fully replicate the experience of owning a real pet, they offer several benefits with minimal work and maintenance. The Alzheimer's Store is an example of a business catering to this niche, selling various products designed to help Alzheimer's patients, including robotic therapy dogs. While some may view these robotic pets as a silly alternative to real pets, the potential therapeutic benefits make this an intriguing and legitimate area of development. Additionally, the success of companies like the Alzheimer's Store demonstrates the demand for such products. Another interesting point discussed was the potential future development of genetically engineered or mechanical AI pets for individuals who cannot afford or cannot handle the responsibility of owning a real pet. This is a developing trend that could significantly impact the pet industry.

    • Adidas: From Shoe Factory to Global BrandAdidas was founded by Adolf Dassler, named after him, and started as a sports shoe company in the 1920s. Gained exposure during 1936 Olympics, used sports promotion strategy, and introduced iconic three-stripe logo after WW2.

      Adidas, contrary to popular belief, does not stand for "all day I dream about sports," but rather is named after its founder, Adolf Dassler, who went by the nickname "Adi." The company's origins date back to the 1920s when Adi and his brother Rudolf, both sons of a leather shoe factory owner, decided to focus on sports shoes instead. They split the responsibilities, with Adi designing the shoes and Rudy handling sales and marketing. Adidas gained significant exposure during the 1936 Olympics when several German and non-German athletes wore their shoes, including Jesse Owens, who won four gold medals. This marked the first time an entrepreneur used sports to promote their products. However, the business came to a halt during World War 2 when the factory was seized and the brothers were enlisted in the army. After the war, Adi restarted the company using war materials for their shoes and introduced the iconic three-stripe logo. The brothers eventually split, with Adi starting Adidas and Rudolf founding Puma. Adidas' success can be attributed to its early adoption of using sports and athletes to promote their brand, a strategy later adopted and expanded upon by Nike.

    • Outsider's Perspective: Transforming AdidasAn outsider's perspective, cost-cutting, marketing strategies from competitors, ambition, and expansion can lead a struggling business to success and longevity.

      Sometimes an outsider's perspective can bring about significant change in a struggling business. The story of Adidas illustrates this idea perfectly. With a bold approach and a focus on cost-cutting and marketing, a PE firm executive named Robert Dreyfus transformed the company from the brink of bankruptcy into a billion-dollar enterprise. His success came from recognizing what competitors like Nike and Reebok were doing and implementing those strategies within Adidas. Another important takeaway is the value of ambition and expansion. Brands like Adidas, Puma, and Louis Vuitton, which may be stereotyped as trendy, have actually proven to be some of the longest-lasting companies. Adidas, despite multiple ownership changes and near bankruptcy, remains a relevant and successful brand. Asking yourself how a PE firm or a visionary leader like Larry Page would approach your business can provide valuable insights. The former might help you identify areas for cost savings and operational efficiency, while the latter could inspire you to think big and innovate. Both mindsets can contribute to the growth and longevity of your business.

    • Creating timeless products in trend-driven industriesLouis Vuitton luggage, Nike Cortez shoes, Altoids, Coca Cola, Rolex, and Tiffany's diamonds are examples of enduring products that have withstood the test of time through timeless design, quality, and consumer loyalty.

      Creating products with lasting value in industries where trends change rapidly is an impressive feat. Fashion, for instance, is known for its fleeting trends, yet some brands and products have managed to endure for decades. Louis Vuitton luggage, Nike Cortez shoes, Altoids, Coca Cola, Rolex, and Tiffany's diamonds are examples of such enduring products. The ability to create something that lasts for generations is a testament to the power of timeless design, quality, and consumer loyalty. It's inspiring to see these brands continue to thrive despite the ever-changing landscape of their industries.

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