Logo
    Search

    174. What’s the Point of I.Q. Testing?

    en-usDecember 10, 2023

    Podcast Summary

    • IQ testing and gifted programs in childhoodIQ testing identifies top 2% intellectually, opens doors to specialized education, but validity and utility debated

      IQ testing and being identified as gifted and talented in childhood can have significant impacts on one's educational trajectory. The tests are typically administered to young children, around 1st and 2nd grade, to determine if they are in the top 2% intellectually, making them eligible for specialized education programs. These programs often provide enriching experiences, such as learning about the stock market or world religions, that may not be available to other students. However, the validity and utility of IQ testing for predicting future success or intelligence has been debated, and some argue that it may not be an accurate measure of one's abilities or potential. The test involves comparing an individual's mental age to their chronological age and multiplying by 100 to get an IQ score. The origin of the term "IQ" comes from this calculation. Overall, while IQ testing and gifted and talented programs can provide opportunities for enrichment and academic advancement, their value and limitations should be considered critically.

    • IQ tests: More than just a measure of intelligenceIQ tests indicate above-average intellectual ability but have limitations and potential biases. They provide only one aspect of an individual's abilities and potential.

      IQ tests, which measure intellectual ability through a ratio of mental age to chronological age, were initially designed to identify children in need of additional support. However, the term IQ and the practice of testing have evolved, and while it may indicate above-average intellectual ability, it has significant limitations and potential biases. The average IQ is set to 100, and scores above this indicate above-average intelligence. The tests, which can assess various aspects of cognitive ability, have been criticized for their potential to discriminate based on socioeconomic status and home environment. For instance, some versions of IQ tests, like the Raven's test, do not contain words, but rather rely on visual patterns. Despite its limitations, the term IQ persists as a shorthand for intellectual ability. However, it is essential to recognize that IQ tests only provide one aspect of an individual's abilities and potential.

    • IQ tests like Raven's matrix can disadvantage certain groupsDespite appearing culture-free, IQ tests can still be biased and disadvantage low-income and minority students due to unequal exposure and practice with similar puzzles.

      While intelligence tests like the Raven's matrix may seem culture-free due to their lack of language, they can still be biased and disadvantage certain groups of children. The test, which involves identifying the missing shape in a pattern, may appear to be unbiased because it doesn't require language skills. However, children who have had more exposure and practice with similar puzzles may have an advantage, leading to unequal representation of low-income and minority students in gifted education programs. The New York Public Schools testing children as young as four years old, and if the test is not in the child's native language, it can create additional challenges. A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that mandatory testing of all students can help eliminate the initial bias of being referred for testing. However, the playing field is not equal once students are referred, as some children have more resources and support at home. Ultimately, while IQ testing may be necessary, it's essential to recognize its limitations and work to mitigate biases and ensure equal opportunities for all students.

    • The Significance and Lifetime Impact of Standardized TestsStandardized tests like SAT and ACT have lasting effects on individuals, with some viewing them as achievement or IQ tests, providing comparisons between students, and regrettably impacting those unprepared.

      The importance and impact of standardized tests, such as the SAT or ACT, can last a lifetime for individuals. The speaker shares his personal experience of taking these tests without preparation and feeling the pressure of not meeting expectations due to a lack of knowledge about the importance of studying for them. He also mentions the correlation between these tests and intelligence, with some considering them achievement tests and others viewing them as IQ tests. Despite the debate, the speaker acknowledges the function of standardized testing in providing a comparison of students from different backgrounds and education systems. However, the speaker regrets not being informed about the significance of preparing for these tests beforehand. Overall, this discussion highlights the potential significance and long-term consequences of standardized tests in education.

    • Our perception of intelligence can limit our belief in growthBelieve in your ability to grow and improve, as intelligence and abilities are not fixed. Practice and expose yourself to new experiences to see growth.

      Our perception of our intelligence, as represented by a number like an IQ or a test score, can limit our belief in our ability to grow and improve. The speaker shared their personal experience of taking the SAT multiple times and seeing their scores increase, emphasizing that the more we practice and expose ourselves to new experiences, the more likely we are to see growth. This mindset challenge can be particularly relevant for teenagers, who may feel that their intelligence is fixed and unchangeable. However, the speaker encourages us to remember that our abilities and intelligence are not set in stone, and that we can continue to learn and grow throughout our lives. Additionally, the speaker reflects on their own past experiences and how they have shaped who they are today, emphasizing the importance of embracing growth and learning from our mistakes.

    • The Power of Others' Expectations on Intellectual GrowthBelieving in someone's potential can significantly enhance their academic performance, as shown in the Pygmalion effect study.

      Other people's expectations of us can significantly impact our intellectual growth and development. This concept is known as the Pygmalion effect, which was explored in a famous study conducted by Robert Rosenthal. In this study, teachers were led to believe that certain children were gifted and talented, even though this was not actually the case. The teachers then treated these children differently, providing them with more challenging problems and opportunities for learning. As a result, these children ended up performing better academically. This study highlights the power of positive expectations and the influence of others on our intellectual development. However, it's important to note that not all scientists agree on the extent of the Pygmalion effect, and some argue that it may not hold in all circumstances. Nonetheless, the idea that other people's expectations can shape our lives is an intriguing one, and it's worth considering the impact that our own expectations and those of others may have on our intellectual growth.

    • The problematic use of IQ tests in high-stakes situationsIQ tests, particularly in employment or sports, can have questionable origins, racial and socioeconomic biases, and limited correlation with actual performance. Focusing on more meaningful and inclusive measures is key.

      The use of IQ tests, particularly in high-stakes situations like employment or sports, can be problematic and potentially harmful. An example from the sports world is the Wunderlich IQ test, which was used in the NFL combine despite its questionable origins and lack of correlation with on-field performance. The test, invented in 1936 by a graduate student named EF Wunderlich, was later found to have racial and socioeconomic biases and was even ruled discriminatory by the Supreme Court in 1971. The NFL continued to use the test despite this history, and it's important to note that similar issues have been raised about the use of IQ tests in other contexts, including education and employment. Critics argue that IQ tests don't accurately measure intelligence or potential and can create harmful labels that limit opportunities and perpetuate biases. Instead, it's important to focus on more meaningful and inclusive measures of ability and achievement.

    • Standardized tests can limit potential and perpetuate harmful stereotypesStandardized tests don't define potential or abilities, focusing on nurturing interests and providing opportunities is key to fostering a more intelligent society.

      The reliance on standardized tests for determining intellectual abilities and potential can lead to harmful stereotypes and limitations. As history shows, such tests have been used to justify discriminatory policies, like the forced sterilization of certain groups based on low IQ scores. Moreover, these tests do not account for various external factors that can influence test results, such as lack of formal education or English language exposure. Instead, it's crucial to recognize that young people's interests and passions play a significant role in their intellectual growth and development. As Amy Tan's story illustrates, having low scores on a standardized test does not define one's potential or abilities. By focusing on nurturing children's interests and providing them with opportunities to learn and explore, we can foster a more intelligent and curious society. Additionally, it's essential to question the use and validity of standardized tests and consider alternative methods for assessing students' abilities and potential.

    • Focusing on personal growth and curiosity can contribute to intelligenceDeveloping a growth mindset and being curious about new topics can significantly enhance personal intelligence, rather than focusing solely on IQ test scores.

      While IQ testing has its controversies and limitations, focusing on developing a growth mindset and being curious about new topics can significantly contribute to personal growth and intelligence. The brain is plastic, and our abilities are not fixed. Instead of worrying too much about IQ test scores, it's essential to find areas of interest and invest time and attention in learning about them. Angela and Stephen also discussed the importance of effective communication through word choice and the Pygmalion effect, which refers to the power of expectations influencing people's performance. Additionally, they mentioned some factual corrections, such as the change in New York City's public schools' application process for gifted and talented programs and the incorrect reference to the Greek myth of Prometheus in the context of the Pygmalion effect. In summary, while IQ testing has its debates, focusing on personal growth, curiosity, and effective communication can lead to significant intellectual development. As always, we encourage our listeners to share their thoughts on this topic and any other episode topics by recording a voice memo and sending it to us at nsq@freakonomics.com.

    • Discovering the Surprising Popularity of AstrologyMore Americans know their zodiac sign than their blood type, as explored in the latest episode of Freakonomics Radio Network.

      The Freakonomics Radio Network, which includes the show No Stupid Questions, encourages listeners to send in voice memos with their questions, and next week's episode will explore the rising interest in astrology. The hosts discussed their own surprising admission that more Americans know their zodiac sign than their blood type. The show is produced by Stitcher and Renbudd Radio, and listeners can follow it on Twitter and Facebook. In a personal note, the hosts recently evaluated a football player, Travis Kelce, for a hypothetical relationship with Taylor Swift, and determined that he had the necessary integrity and character. The Freakonomics Radio Network delves into the hidden side of everyday topics.

    Recent Episodes from No Stupid Questions

    202. Why Can’t We Tolerate Discomfort?

    202. Why Can’t We Tolerate Discomfort?

    Are we using technology to make ourselves numb? What’s the downside of air conditioning? And was Angela the most annoying person in her college classes?

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usJune 30, 2024

    201. Are You Dreaming Too Big?

    201. Are You Dreaming Too Big?

    Are fantasies helpful or harmful? How is daydreaming like a drug? And what did Angela fantasize about during ninth-grade English class?

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usJune 23, 2024

    200. What’s the Difference Between Empathy and Sympathy?

    200. What’s the Difference Between Empathy and Sympathy?

    Can you ever really know how another person feels? What’s the best way to support a grieving person? And why doesn’t Hallmark sell empathy cards? 

     

    • SOURCES:
      • Daniel Batson, professor emeritus of psychology at the University of Kansas.
      • Paul Bloom, professor of psychology at University of Toronto.
      • Paul Polman, businessman, author, and former C.E.O. of Unilever.

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usJune 16, 2024

    199. What Makes a Good Gathering?

    199. What Makes a Good Gathering?

    Why do so many book clubs fall apart? Do the best parties have rules? And does Angela’s husband want to date you? 

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usJune 09, 2024

    198. What Does It Mean to Be “Cool”?

    198. What Does It Mean to Be “Cool”?

    What’s the difference between being popular and being cool? How has social media changed the trend cycle? And what do Taylor Swift and Walmart have in common?

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usJune 02, 2024

    197. Is It Wrong to Lie to Children?

    197. Is It Wrong to Lie to Children?

    Why do we tell kids that a fairy will give them cash in exchange for their teeth? How should we talk to them about scary things in the world? And is Mike one of the greatest operatic tenors of all time? 

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usMay 26, 2024

    196. What’s Wrong With Being a Little Neurotic?

    196. What’s Wrong With Being a Little Neurotic?

    Is there any upside to negative emotions? What can comedians teach us about dealing with pain? And why did Angela eat off of a stranger’s plate at a sushi bar? 

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usMay 19, 2024

    195. Can You Be Too Nice?

    195. Can You Be Too Nice?

    Where is the line between a good guy and a doormat? Do people with sharp elbows make more money? And why did Angela’s mother give away her birthday present?

    Take the Big Five inventory: freakonomics.com/bigfive

     

     

     

    No Stupid Questions
    en-usMay 12, 2024

    194. Is It Okay to Be an Introvert?

    194. Is It Okay to Be an Introvert?

    What’s the difference between being introverted and being shy? What are extroverts so cheerful about? And does Angela’s social battery ever run out?

    Take the Big Five inventory: freakonomics.com/bigfive

     

     

     

    Related Episodes

    Best of Series: The Latest science of Growth Mindset With Carol Dweck

    Best of Series: The Latest science of Growth Mindset With Carol Dweck

    Today it’s a real honor to have Carol Dweck on the podcast. Dr. Dweck is a leading researcher in the field of motivation and is the Lewis and Virginia Eaton Professor of Psychology at Stanford. Her research examines the role of mindsets in personal achievement and organizational effectiveness. Dr. Dweck has also held professorships at Columbia and Harvard Universities, has lectured to education, business, and sports groups around the world, has addressed the United Nations, has been elected to the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and the National Academy of Sciences, and has won 12 lifetime achievement awards for her research. Her best-selling book Mindset has been widely influential and has been translated into over 25 languages. 

    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Artificial Intelligence + The Neuroscience of App Addiction with Ramsay Brown

    Artificial Intelligence + The Neuroscience of App Addiction with Ramsay Brown

    1st Half: The Neuroscience of App Addiction
    2nd Half: Artificial Intelligence from a Neuroscience Perspective  (at 24:45)

    Apps are designed to grab us and keep us hooked as long as possible, as often as possible. Addictive traits built into the apps manipulate us at a primal biological level -- creating a stimulus/response pattern that can re-program our behaviors over time.

    The increasing role of Artificial Intelligence will inevitably hand-off some of this addictive-design work, setting up a scenario where we shift from people programming machines, to machines programming humans.

    Our guest today is Ramsay Brown. Ramsay is a neuroscientist, working at the intersection of the human mind, software design, and artificial intelligence.

    Ramsay has degrees from USC in Neuroscience and Neuroinformatics, working on projects such as a “Google Maps” for the brain, and new forms of human-mind communication with machines.

    He’s now the co-founder of Dopamine Labs, a company that uses AI and Neuroscience to increase the addictiveness of apps that reinforce good habits, and to break app addiction where we find it harmful.

    More at http://www.mindandma

    Making Artificial Intelligence & Robots with Sabri Sansoy

    Making Artificial Intelligence & Robots with Sabri Sansoy

    Artificial Intelligence and Robotics are getting a lot of attention these days. But with all the utopian dreams and cautionary warnings effortlessly tossed around in headlines, I get excited looking at real, tangible use-cases happening now.

    My guest today is Sabri Sansoy -- he's created a "cognitive" Met Gala Gown powered by IBM Watson, a race car controlled by human voices across the internet, and a robot crab that cleans up trash on the beach.

    Sabri focuses on several sectors of AI: Machine Learning, Deep Learning, Reinforcement Learning, Computer Vision, and Robotics. We’ll talk with him about each.

    Sabri is the CEO of Orchanic, a robotics and artificial intelligence lab building the machines and intelligent code paving the way for the future.

    He comes from an engineering background at MIT and has worked at leading ad agencies and for top production companies as an AI creative artist.

    More at https://mindandmachine.io

     

    EP 38: Artifical Intelligence Bias, Universal Basic Income, Star Trek Medical Devices and the Democratisation of Health Diagnosis.

    EP 38: Artifical Intelligence Bias, Universal Basic Income, Star Trek Medical Devices and the Democratisation of Health Diagnosis.

    We talk to Professor Barry O'Sullivan, Director of the Insight Centre for Data Analytics in UCC. He is also deputy president of the European Association for Artificial Intelligence (EurAI) and current SFI researcher of the year. Barry discusses the impact of Ai, we talk about the inevitable bias in data based Ai and how it is extremely important to “teach” Ai responsibly. We discuss UBI, Universal Basic Income, job automation and the societal challenges ahead.

    “An inevitable revolution in healthcare is coming. In this revolution, the consumers are the drivers and technology is the equalizer.” - Dr. Basil Harris

    Dr. Basil Harris is CEO and founder of Basil Leaf Technologies www.basilleaftech.com Basil and his team were inspired by Star Trek to create a tricorder, a portable Ai device that could tell whether you had pneumonia or diabetes or a dozen other conditions all by yourself. This is like the one waved around by Dr. McCoy on the Star Ship Enterprise. With it, people can monitor their own blood pressure, heart rate and other health vitals. Basil emphasizes how this device is to free up doctors and health practitioners, not to replace them.